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So why all of sudden is everybody scheduling against the kiss races? First it was Kokomo a few years ago scheduling a 2000 to win race against tri state kiss race. Now it's putnamville doing it to paragon this crap needs to end! It's called king of Indiana sprints all the teams need to be at one track for these races. If this continues to happen they might as well change the name of the series. Just my two cents worth. I know everybody has to try to get cars but you think for this series people could work together. I remember my first time to paragon for a kiss race they had 70 something cars that's the way it should be every year for these races granted it won't happen but at least give it the chance to happen. I know you can pay all the money in the world and still only get 40 cars. I'm just tired of everybody scheduling against kiss.there are a few promoters out there that work with others and for that I tip my hat to you guys thank you! Everybody have a great and safe weekend!

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I was always under the impression that a track that had a KISS race would not run against one,guess I was wrong......but that's the way it should be !!!

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Cept three of the five tracks are sat night tracks. You should only have to take off one, Same as GC and Bloominton.

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Does Lincoln Park have a KISS race scheduled for this year?

The agreement not to race against each other is between KISS tracks. LPS isn't part of it.

Burg,TSS & Paragon are Saturday races. LPS was offered a Thursday race but couldn't race sprints the other 3 Saturday nights.

It doesn't take a genius businessman to figure out its a stupid decision to give up 3 premium saturday night races to gain 1 thursday night.

I doubt you will find very many drivers or car owners complaining about any track paying a "little" more.

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Originally Posted by Charles Nungester:
Cept three of the five tracks are sat night tracks. You should only have to take off one, Same as GC and Bloominton.

TSS ran there KISS race on Sunday,so Kokomo would have only missed one night

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It must be hard to follow updates from that many places. I fully plan on pulling the double dip after paragon. If I catch all the features great. But I'm never going to complain about too many tracks running. If you're worried about car counts go to Florence for the Lucas oil race should be quite a few there

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Bill Gardner's statment about LPS not allowed to run Sprints 3 saturday's against KISS is not true I was at that meeting and dont recall Bill Gardner being there, the only thing requested of another track is not to run a big Sprint money show against KISS, this is the true fact. Keith Ford

Thank you for the invitation to join your next meeting.

It's good to know LPS will have a "Saturday" race next year.

Lol

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Do you have room for more than 6 or 7 campers at Paragon ?

Tracks don't need to not race,just don't runs sprints on KISS nights.

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If Putnamville would take a KISS race that would make them not running sprints 5 nights..they already don't run sprints the 2 weekends of ISW..financially its not a smart decision to take 1 kiss race and lose 3 nights of sprint car racing or bigger shows. Its rough when there are 3 Saturday night sprint car tracks. But it gives drivers more choices where to race at, and def gives fan more places to watch great races. I hope Paragon still has a great show as the best of the best should be there..but at the same time there will be 2 other great shows at the burg and LPS.

Tyler

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As info...Lawrenceburg is closed this Saturday June 1...they only have 2 races scheduled in June

June
8 Family Night @ the Races
Racing to Feature: BOSS Sprint Series/Lawrenceburg Chevrolet Sprints, Budweiser UMP Modifieds, Impact Sports Pure Stocks, & the Zimmer Tractor Hornets

15 USAC Indiana Midget Week
Racing to feature: USAC Midgets, Lawrenceburg Chevrolet Sprints, & the Budweiser UMP Modifieds

Reading some of this makes me miss the days (not that long ago) when promotors would actually schedule a top level class other than non-wing sprint cars. I understand that some think they will lose money, so the choice is made to just not race at all. Why not run a winged sprint show, late models, or midgets? With some effort put into promoting a race with these classes, it could turn into a nice addition to a track schedule. It would also attract fans of classes other than non-wing sprints that don't normally attend that track. If you put on a good show, those fans will be interested in coming back more often, and you won't have empty stands or no racing at all on nights when there is a big sprint show somewhere else. I went to LPS a couple years ago for the first time for a summer nationals race. I thought they put on a good show, so I've been back several times since then.

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Ya but LPS isn't on the schedule for the hell tour this year

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The way the track has been the late models would love it smooth and wide.

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Tracks schedule against each other all the time. Just last year, Kokomo schedules the Smackdown to make the event huge and then Paragon ran that Saturday night as well. Its impossible to get them to not schedule against each other. JMO

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Originally Posted by Sprintfan1985:
Tracks schedule against each other all the time. Just last year, Kokomo schedules the Smackdown to make the event huge and then Paragon ran that Saturday night as well. Its impossible to get them to not schedule against each other. JMO

Uh how many of Paragons Regs would have gone to Smackdown?

Case closed.

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I'm not talking about scheduling against each other. I'm talking kiss races. Not just your regular programs.

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i might suggest that the kiss races be run on weds nites/ that way all the drivers will be free to race with no other tracks running and the motel rates will be cheaper. woud be nice if it paid a little more too, make it into a BIG DEAL and promote it, KING OF INDIANA SPRINT SERIES! run it all sumer long with a big high $$$ event in the fall

we're very fortunate to have an incredible bunch of racers who've assembled here from all over the country to race, lets give them a chance to do just that and for a just reward!
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I agree with John... Baseball is played on every night of the week and ends at 11 pm. So why not run 5 special Kiss shows during the week with one support class and get it on and finish early. Sounds good to me... We would race all we could.

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See, Us keyboard Promotors can solve everything :5::44::43::

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If you held an event that drew every sprint car team in Indiana, about how many cars would you have?

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Originally Posted by ThePurple73:
If you held an event that drew every sprint car team in Indiana, about how many cars would you have?

So far in 2013... there has been 130 sprint car drivers race in a feature. (Indiana only)

Only 65 of those drivers have raced a special show that pays over $2000 to win.

The Mopar Million race in 2001 or 2002 had roughly 140 cars and that race paid $200,000 to win and $10,000 to start.

And many of those teams (including the winner) were not regulars to non-wing sprint cars.

The issue with racing during the week is that many racers work through the week, and the vast majority of fans do too. Many already use vacation time for Indiana sprintweek, so crowds might be thinner than what they have running their regular nights.

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KISS running on Thursday nights during the summer makes sense to me. 40 years ago I went to many mid week shows that drew 40+ cars/stars and good crowds. I am already scheduled for Kokomo this Sunday which means work early Monday morning. I am going to Midget Week on Wednesday in Gas City and work the next morning. I am going to Midget Week on Sunday in Kokomo and work the next morning. What's the big deal? We apparently are already supporting mid week shows. KISS can run 6 mid week races from May to August and the fans will plan to support those shows as the racing is some of the best in the USA! I guess this is why they make Red Bull, AMP, 5 Hour Energy,and Monster to name a few. WOW, racing five times a week...I think they called that the "Heyday of midget racing!". It can be done again with Indiana nw sprint car racing.

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For me closest track besides Haubstadt is bloomington so I;m looking at a 2 hour drive after the races thinking be dragging at work next day but I;d try to make some mid week races Hmmmmm wonderin how many sick and personal days have left lol :8:

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Originally Posted by mowerman:
Do you have room for more than 6 or 7 campers at Paragon ?

Hey Bob Think they have room for 8 You better be there early lol

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Originally Posted by Will Shunk:
KISS running on Thursday nights during the summer makes sense to me.

I kind of like this idea the best so far. Being centrally located as I am,I can easily make a race at the area tracks,and still make it to work. That would be a 4 day race weekend,always ok in my book For the traveling fans,it might make it more attractive to come out if a person could hit 4 races in a weekend.

Not saying it can't work, but didn't LPS try Thursday night racing last year?

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Originally Posted by hoosier race fan:
Not saying it can't work, but didn't LPS try Thursday night racing last year?

In my mind the Thursday night races were an addition to the schedule,kind of at the last minute. I think if they had been announced when the schedule for the season was released,or perhaps had just one a month,with the word out well beforehand,then it might have had a better shot than it did last year.

Having said that,I was at every one of them except one,and the one I didnt go to I thought was going to get rained out,as I was working late in Indy,and it was raining here at the time. I went one night in the blazing heat,where they were handing out bottles of water for the attendees.Where was everyone else?? Didnt have to worry about a rain out that night.

Biggest problem nowadays is that a lot of fans are "fair weather fans" If its to hot or to cold they stay home and wait for updates.Not me,I moved here to go to the races,as often as the wallet allows.

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Originally Posted by Andrew S. Quinn:
In my mind the Thursday night races were an addition to the schedule,kind of at the last minute. I think if they had been announced when the schedule for the season was released,or perhaps had just one a month,with the word out well beforehand,then it might have had a better shot than it did last year.

Having said that,I was at every one of them except one,and the one I didnt go to I thought was going to get rained out,as I was working late in Indy,and it was raining here at the time. I went one night in the blazing heat,where they were handing out bottles of water for the attendees.Where was everyone else?? Didnt have to worry about a rain out that night.

Biggest problem nowadays is that a lot of fans are "fair weather fans" If its to hot or to cold they stay home and wait for updates.Not me,I moved here to go to the races,as often as the wallet allows.

Yet even you checked the radar Saturday as I did and did not attend LPS.......................

Not bashing, Im just saying promoters need a lot of things to go right just to break even, Let alone make a buck at it.

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Originally Posted by Charles Nungester:
Yet even you checked the radar Saturday as I did and did not attend LPS.......................

No,as a matter of fact I had no plans on going to P-ville last weekend. My plan for last Saturday night was the Little 500,and I went irregardless of the weather. Its a once a year thing for me,and there also was a party for one of the members here as well.I went,it rained out...Oh well. Socially it was still a fun day.

Sunday night,same thing.I was going to Anderson,even though I'd have rather been at Kokomo. Its a once a year race at Anderson,and I had already shelled out $29 for a ticket. Luckily they got it in,and it was a great night. They werent so lucky at Kokomo,but I'll get lucky,as I'll get 2 see 2 races there next time I go.

I had been to the other 3 races at Kokomo,and the first 2 were poorly attended. It was cold. The 3rd night it was a beautiful day out,and attendance was much better. Coincidence? Same with the 2 races at Lawrenceburg when they were the only show in town after everyone else cancelled.Great car counts,yet poorly attended.Why?? Because it was cold. People apparently have forgotten how to dress for colder weather nowadays.

Back to KISS. Would Thursday nights work,and maybe better yet,no having to not race on your "normal" night for competing tracks,assuming you got the word out for dates early in the year when schedules come out?

So this is taken out of context. I know I posted the purses but why does Kokomo and putnamville feels the need to raise their purse the night of a kiss race. I know there would of been a good possibility that tri state would of picked up a few more this past week if Kokomo didn't pay more bland Wes Mac windom and a couple more. This is what I have a need about it seems to me some tracks are scared of kiss that they won't get any cars.juat seems weird how putnamville has several normal payouts but they chose this week to up the purse. Just doesn't make sense. I like putnamville and I enjoy going. This is the only issue I have with management. Paragon doesn't get big nights putnamville holds Usac Midwest sprint series. Late models. Midget week. Let paragon have their one night.

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promotors have to do what it takes to take care of their fans/ sad and simple

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It really screws you out of cars as a fan. And screws promoters out of money. Ralph Latham memorial here I come.

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Not everyone wants to, or should go run a KISS or USAC show. And too many cars can hurt a show just as much as too few cars. Especially if many of those teams don't have the experience or funds to be competitive with the top teams.
You all have no clue how lucky your are in Indiana to not have a million classes to dilute the fields with the majority of tracks have 5 or 6 eight car features and be able to have a track run a big special and other tracks still have enough cars for a show that night for the racers and fans who can't make the special race.
And don't forget something else. When all the well funded teams go run the KISS or USAC shows the other tracks give the less well funded and experienced teams a chance to shine and have their night in the limelight. And what's so wrong with them having a chance to run for a little more money the night the top teams are running elsewhere? Sometimes that little bit of extra money, and exposure to fans and sponsors can make a huge difference to a small team.

This seems like a non-issue to me. Reports from TSS were that the racing was great, full field, and all went home happy. Kokomo had a good turnout and more fans to the north got to see sprint cars (it did rain out the feature but we got to see a fair amount of racing). Few fans who attended the Kokomo event would have been at TSS if Kokomo did not run. So, the only thing impacted at TSS was not having a larger car count. Is that really important? If more cars would have been there it would have just sent more home who did not make the feature.

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Kokomo has ran the kokomo klassic the Sunday of Memorial day weekend for the last few years. The cars that were at Kokomo probably wouldnt have been at TSS anyways. The smaller teams cant afford to drive all the way there. Yea the purse was higher but a lot of the smaller guys cannot afford that. The car counts for the Kiss races this year have all been in the lower 30s that could be because of the weather..or teams just dont have the money. It just seems guys are staying closer to home. As for the scheduling other shows, I just dont think promoters can take a chance on running something other than their regular show. Gas City tried the Sunoco alms series a few years and the car counts just dropped off. Why pay out a larger purse for a series and not get the fans or the cars to support it? LPS did the summer nats and it didnt seem like the fans supported that with a pretty high purse. Sorry for getting off topic but there were some other questions about other series lol =P

Tyler