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Would people be upset is we went mostly non wing?

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We would love it

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No!!!!!!:6::8:

Yes!!! Need both !!! You will kill the association if it keeps getting jacked with! Just like the rules ! Need to stick with what works! Its all fun 50/50 races

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Mensendiek motorsports likes any racing, wing / non wing / whatever does not matter, although non wing racing is easier on the motors and takes the big motors out of the picture, especially on slick tracks like last night, did not turn the motor that hard at all.

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i'm for nonwing. the wing just shows who has the most engine. nonwing puts it back in the drivers hands along with chassis setup. some guys that show up for nonwing shows, that do not show up for wing shows, prolly can't afford to shell out $600.00 for a wing and all the hardware.

Non wing will make people better drivers.

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In southern Indiana non-wing is cool. However

1.Wings also level the playing field between experienced drivers and novice drivers.

2.When you remove the wings you can be sure the cars will bounce a lot higher and longer than they do with wings. We haven,t had a good flip yet but when we do I can guarantee it will be be nothing like you ever experienced with a wing.

3.You might want to change specs on top rail diameter, and check for thin wall tube, there are still a few lightweight cars out there, and we are now approaching the speed of a full midget.

4. Track owners tend to like wing cars for some reason,and use the lack of wings as a way to offer a smaller purse.

5. Bill would have to change the name of the organization to "NON-WINGED WARRIORS"

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

I've raced Mini-Sprints and always enjoyed them very much! I loved running with a Wing! Mini-Sprints are supposed to run with Wings! A special Non-Wing show once in a while is plenty! JMO.

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Why not make it like the World of Outlaws originally did, track choice. Some will be wing, some non wing. Makes a better overall driver.

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Yes Yes Y E S

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i think you have to do some of both, i like the non wing once in a while but its pretty awesome full throttle lifting around the entire track with the wings on !

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I like the wings myself at my age and inexperience {us fossils break easily} that's what i'll stick with but I can understand people liking non-wing racing especially if you can't afford a midget. Now if I can just get the darn thing done so I can go racing!!!

Sounds to me that most people like a little bit of both which is what it should be! No matter how you look at it someone will always complain so do what the majority wants and everyone go be competitive but always remember none of us in mini sprint racing will make this our career and if you do let me know how !!!:))

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I like this idea, it's important to remember we are a "filler" series. Our goal should be to please the track owner.

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Winged,, We are not midget stop trying to make us out to be midgets. IMO. How was car count at Bloomington? I know I would have came out if it would have been winged. Seems like in years past Bloomington would have had 30-35 lighting sprints on this night.

21 , two of which didn't make it through hotlaps.

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Car count and for that matter fan count are directly related to the economy and how much of our gas money we can waste on going to a race or working on our race cars.

Andy said 21 cars at Bloomington for these times that is a good number. Racephoto1 has some great 1000cc midget photo's posted, and it looks like we are getting some pretty good air time without the wings!!

I have always called our wing the $300.00 dollar crush proof box. (not adjusted for non-inflation) I still think someone could construct an aero box to fit on top of the roll cage that would absorb that first violent contact with the track surface and control that bounce found in the 4130 steel frame.

It isn't our wings but our sideboards that make us fast. Maybe requiring a smaller or no side board could be what we need.

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

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constant change in this division is whats killing it across the country everyones kind of just sort of getting on board with trying to push stock 1000cc motors and a somewhat standardized rule system, so more people will get involved, travel to race, more tracks will want us there, get the division some exposure etc... then its people want change.....when you buy an IMCA you buy an IMCA no ones trying to alter them , change what IMCA's are becoming etc, when you buy a sprint car you buy a sprint car so i think they should keep the wings on but , have special non wing events, or a double header non wing and winged same night i think people enjoy something different but when it becomes the norm people lose interest ... but when you run soley non wing you really only get a certain crowd

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no

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5/17/13 Speednet shows 19 cars for Bloomington non winged. Gas prices 3.89

5/18/12 Speednet shows 23 cars for Bloomington winged. Gas prices $3.75ish

Dont know how many dropped out before speednet picked them up for either. I know in 2011 there were more winged cars and gas was $3.91 a gallon.

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There is an error in the Bloomington Speednet results for 5/17/13. There were actually 20 mini sprints as one of the cars did not start Heat 2. The car should have been noted as a DNS so he would show up in the results. I work at Bloomington Speedway and will have them updated at the next race.

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Not all mini sprint racers want to run non wing sprintcar after minis, some of us are running winged 360s and/or 410. My self, Sam Ashworth, Ryan Broughton, Hud Horton,Greg Nicholas, Trey Gustin, Max Stambaugh,Devon Dobie,Jared Horstman and the Roberts are winged racing. run both it is good for the sport, but keep the wing, it to me is what makes a minisprint a minisprint.

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My preference would be for non-wing, which in our experience evens out the stock motors vs big dollars, even to the point where we have been competitive against full midgets at Montpelier with our internally stock R-1 when the track is slick. However, the opportunity to switch between wing and non-wing at different tracks has helped our learning curve too, so we would support the MMSA in a 50/50 format. In our case, we can always race winged at Waynesfield an hour away from home, but I'm willing to drive 4 hours to Brownstown or Bloomington for a good non-winged alternative. Considering the weather forecast and rain showers across most of Indiana and Ohio last Friday, I don't think you can read much into comparisions to previous years.

Greg/Alex Watson #3E

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We where going to bring 3 cars from Florida but the forecast kinda did us in on a 2 day show with all the weather Ind. has been having so that would have made it 23 cars Quantrill....50/50 then "EVERYONE" is happy....uh...no they want!!!....hope to get up there in July when it's the rainy season down here

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See here is the problem with making everyone happy! You CANT. When I raced Super Karts USA I had a lot of respect for the Director Jim Murley. He once told me as I was a regional director at the time. You cant be everything for every body! Words to live by IMO

Bill does a great job as with all the people trying to build this sport.

BTW: if any of you winged racers want to come west to Missouri we have a double header weekend plan this weekend. Go to www.midamericalightningsprints.com for details! $1150 to win with tow money!! And a free BBQ for drivers and crew Sunday night!

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I don't have a dog in your fight back there on this issue but I will say this..........

I have raced non-winged sprints, midgets and lightning sprints. I enjoyed the **** out of all of them. I also enjoy the sprints and lighting sprints winged. The thing you need to remember is spectator appeal. The wing gives the lightning sprint identity. It also gives it speed. Speed the spectator can usually see. I have raced in groups that combine full midgets and lighting sprints and was rather lucky depending on track size. The ultimate goal I think was to promote midgets using the lightning sprints until they filled their fields with full midgets which was fine.....I was having fun. My point..........promote the class you started with......not another class. There is a midget class. Let them survive on their own. Promote your winged lighting sprint class and make sure it flourishes before you start basically splitting it up. Besides..........due to horsepower differentials......Midgets race completely different that non-winged lightning sprints and put on a much better show. Non-winged lighting sprints don't have the power to look as good as a midget. Remember these words.........."crowd appeal."

Another thing...........DAD is right............get on your head without a wing on a fast track and see if your attitude about winged/non-winged changes somewhat. Wings are cheap compared to entire cars and time off work. Something I unfortunately know more about that I care to. But I still like non-winged racing but there are classes more suited for it in my opinion.