Mini Sprint Payout POLL
 

I did the math yesterday and I just want to test the waters and see what everyone thinks. Payout "A" is the current posted MMSA payout per their website. Payout "B" is another option that seems to offer incentive for each spot as well as creates a larger payout from 4th place on. (excludes 20th position) I realize that people want to race for a large 1st place prize, but perhaps racing for less to win and receiving a higher payout for every position after 3rd place will help keep costs down. It may also help keep cars coming to the track, and not sitting in their garages. Only 1 car can win on any night.

Which one do YOU prefer? :23:

MMSA Posted Payout "A"
1. $500
2. 250
3. 175
4. 125
5. 100
6. 90
7. 80
8. 70
9. 65
10. 60
11. 50
12. 50
13. 50
14. 50
15. 50
16. 50
17. 50
18. 50
19. 50
20. 50

Total Purse: $2,015

Payout "B"
1. $300
2. 150
3. 140
4. 130 (compare this to "A" which is $125)
5. 125
6. 120
7. 115
8. 110
9. 105
10. 100 (same amount as 5th place above)
11. 95
12. 90
13. 85
14. 80
15. 75
16. 70
17. 65
18. 60
19. 55
20. 50

Total Purse: $2,120 ($105 more than payout "A")

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I may not hit as heavy as I once did but the "B" takes a lot of the bang out of the racing thing. Why not give each racer in the A main $100.00 that makes sense to me.

Better yet lets get some real nice trophies that say participant, my wife loves them things. Now if we could get a heavy hitting sponsor we could really do something with the purse. Hint- Hint

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

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Several years ago we did a weekly show at a track just down the road from us a little. They would have a big pay out race for each of their divisions at least once a season. The way you could tell it was going to be a big money race was the pit passes went up Ten Bucks.

I got to thinking this was just like "BINGO" and once a season they would have a "cover all game" for each class and the other classes job was to supported that game.:8:

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

Everyone is certainly entitled to their opinion. Not sure of the payout throughout the field, but the Wisconsin Illinois Mini Sprint series says they pay 150-250 to win and 50 to start. And they seem to get 20-25 cars per event. Does anyone know the full rundown of Waynesfields payout?

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Last year:

1 $400
2 $275
3 $160
4 $120
5 $90
6 $85
7 $80
8 $75
9 $70
10 $65
11 $60
12 $60
13 $60
14 $60
15 $60
16 $60
17 $60
18 $60
19 $60
20 $60

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Depends on your odds of running top three doesn't it? LOL...

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this is my weekly payout as a standard purse....anymore it is car count dependent. With that said you as as a racer that wants more money needs to get your buddy off his ass, you know the one that has his car setting in the garage that polishes it and calls hinself a racer, to come to the track more often cause he is costing YOU money....

you get X amount of dollars per car so less say $100.00 per car x 20 cars = $2,000.00

everybody get $75.00 across the board which = $1500.00
so where does the other $500.00 go....
$100.00 goes to the points fund
$400.00 is disturbed across the top 8
1st extra 100=175
2nd extra 75=150
3rd extra 60=135
4th extra 50=125
5th extra 40=115
6th extra 30=100
7th extra 20= 90
8th extra 10= 80
total of $385.00

and don't forget it is only a $10.00 pit pass

and the rest $15.00 goes to the cat that is putting on all this crap....yep about a nickle and hour

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YOU LIE!!!!!!!

Every racer knows them promoter people are money grubbers and are out to get in our back pocket.:16

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3 years ago I would have AGREED with ya there Dad...but I honestly CAN NOT now. Tom Helfrich at Tri-State had about an hour conversation yesterday on the phone and that was a HOT TOPIC....so many people come into this deal to "GET RICH QUICK" .... that just does not happen and very few come into "JUST FOR THE LOVE OF THE SPORT"...those get rich quick days LONG ARE GONE!!!!!!

I don't have a dog in this fight but I personally think it is silly to pay the same amount of money from 10th on back. Why even race in the back if you are having a bad night you should start and park and let ten cars try to break even on their expenses.

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It don't work that way in sprint car racing?? If I'm going to only race for last place why show up at all?

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

This is kind of my point. There is no incentive for the "smaller" teams to show up. If they think they're NOT a top 10 car...they're wont bother. But if you have 20 guys show up...you could make more for EVERY spot you earn. Yea, it's only 5 bucks...but me personally...I've pulled off the track and been like, where did I end up? If it was 11th through last...I didn't care. If it was 10th or 11th...I wanted to know which one!!

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When I did that my car count DOUBLED....so I guess 500 to to win 100 75 50 40 38 36 34 32 30 28 26 24 22 20 18 16 14 12 10 would be much better that way you can crash some one ove 2 bucks!!

Everybody likes a piece of pie...so like the Shoot out in Tulsa its a 1000 to win and 100 on back so if you cant win you make 1 lap and pull in..

If you are wanting to make money racing....SELL EVERYTHING NOW....then you can say ya made money!!!

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Have you looked at Bill May's MMSA results lately, There are at least 15 cars at any given race date that have a chance to win the main event and the number of different winners in a season tend to bear this out.;);)

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

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If the money is what you race for you picked the wrong thing to do! Personally I just like racin:23:

. Amen to that! One of the few things you invest in and hope to do as well as break even!

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I think as a racer we all want as much as we can get. What every sanction body needs is a sponsor that is not expecting a return on his investment. Someone who is passionate about the sport and wants to see it grow! We are very lucky to have such a sponsor for Mid-America Lightning Sprints with Jayhawk Millwright in Kansas City. Our first race on April 13th we are guaranteeing $650 to win and $70 to start. We have a complete break down on what we pay for all races. Go to www.midamericalightningsprints.com and click under L.A. Spring Nationals. We also would like to see as many travelers come run with us as possible, so we have created an incentive program "The first 5 drivers that pre-register for any of the five MALS events of 2013 AND TAKES the green flag in the A Feature of that event with a one way tow of 500 miles or more will be eligible for a $100 tow money award. Actual mileage determined by Google Earth." If a driver fails to make the A feature the $100 will go to the next driver in line determined by order they preregistered. Preregistration will be done by email only! Please email your name, town and car number to mbillingsracing@gmail.com if you meet the above criteria. If you wish to be added to our emails list please email me at mbillingsracing@gmail.com this way I can send you new developments and there are some we will be announcing March 1st!

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Goes to show you all the nice things them Iron Workers told me about Millwright was true.:8::8:

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

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I agree that start money from 10th on back is the worst thing that has killed car count. Why should a racer use fuel, tires, and car maintence to finish in those spots. I have argued this for years and was a leader of start and park if you were not in the top ten. Paying heavy on the top and shorting the rest of the field is a disgrace to the racers. Keep it up and you will end up in the future with 10 cars.

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What we need is a few more millionaire promoters doing this stuff as a hobby and maybe a couple of more thousand fans in their bleachers screaming and hollering for more mini-sprinters.

Did I ever tell you the joke about a piss-ante floating down the river on his back and hollering for them to raise the draw bridge.:5:

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

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I will probably loose this post but what I see by the poll numbers is 24Liberals and 14 conservatives.:7::7:

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

I understand that everyone goes with intentions on winning and it's great to race for a good winning purse... But I can tell you as many already know some of the toughest nights of racing happen in the middle of the pack and I just don't see how you can say that 10th place should be the same as some one that ran 19th. I am certainly not racing to make money (as we all know is not possible:-) ) but when you race week to week $50 bucks just might make the difference. And yes you are correct Bloomington pays the same from 10th on back as well as Putnamville and I think that is a slap in the face.

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I'd go with A. Personally I'd take 25 bucks off of the backmarkers and give that to the winner also. I figure minisprints are pretty much a hobby for most guys anyhow, hobbys cost money and dont pay back very often.

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The WIMS # are off... probably from past years when car counts were lower. With better car counts I believe it was $350 win/$70 start in '12, up from 300/70 in '11. Total purse is based on # of cars.

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:11:"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs". A very famous quote!

People racing are very lucky people. For every guy with a race car their are hundreds out there that wish they could race also.

Winning is a very special feeling, I don't need it every week anymore, and I know for other people it is a special feeling also. It is a feeling of profound accomplishment that is hard to duplicate. To the winner goes the spoils. Second place is "The first Looser", I don't mind being a looser as long as I think there is always the hope of winning.

Recently We have been taught by teachers, coaches and others all with good intentions that winning isn't everything and we should enjoy the sport. Kids play ball games and don't keep score. Go kart tracks give participation trophies to all the kids just for getting in the go kart.

Life is about "winning" and "loosing" and not about felling good about one's self. If I loose I'm going to look things over and change my game plan and try harder next time. We are breeding complacency in our kids and our selves and that is not a good thing.

I'm sorry, If I am a place marker I expect to be payed as a place marker, and some of our best races have been for tenth place, but the winner deserves the Lion's share of the purse. They had better watch out for us next race day, because we are coming back to win. If I raced for a living I would get better or get out, since I race as a hobby I'll just try to get better and get out when it ain't fun anymore or I can't afford it, and $20.00 more for eleventh place won't make up my mind.

It's a sad sign of the times when 60% of us are racing for tenth spot or "tenth looser" and not to "WIN"!!!:11::11::13: >>>>> I have no idea where that race car came from but that was my number back in my quarter midget days so I'll just let it stay.

Still looking for that hot air balloon!:11;

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

The masses have spoken. Thanks for the votes.

43 total votes. 17 for A and 26 for B.

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What you would be saying is>>> the votes have ended so shut up. Would that be right? I think somebody is moving on to yard karts and beer somewhere on the board I'm sure competition will be a lot better there for a lot of you guys, and we won't have to worry about "Filthy Lucre".

We will still run where #1 pay is the best,and Without that 60% it should be some real good racing.

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

Absolutely not saying that at all! It was a good debate and a good poll. And I'll still be racing with the MMSA this year regardless. It was simply a small test. A probe, if you will, to see how others felt. Thanks for all the discussion!

And yard karts and beer sounds like a terrific time!! When and where?? I'll bring the Pabst! Lol

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Warning!!!! Watch out for Old Farts with "THIN SKIN":5:

Young flolk's don't even notice the perilousl path they are on right now, It mostly all started back when I was in College in the 60's . I didn't learn much in college BUT!

I learned several things in Jr. and Sr. high school that I have kept with me for more than 50 years now.

7th grade History class>> "Your first amendment rights stop two inches short of the other guys fist"

7th grade History class>> " In the United States of America everyone has the right to starve to death if they want to."

9th grade Biology class>> "Good-Better-Best-never let it rest, until your good is better and your better is best."

9th grade Biology class>> "A thorn of experience is worth a wilderness of warning"

The mind is a strange thing.:10:

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

When we did our purse structure for the MALS that was mentioned earlier.....we considered the fact that there will always be a certain percentage of non-finishers. Attrition will kill off a certain percent of the starters unfortunately. Of 20 starters, you will probably be lucking to get 13-14 finishers. Our payout schedule reflects that. My opinion, you need to finish the race to make much more than "starter money." You are not doing yourself any good plus you are not helping the class sell itself. Life's a ***** and then you die.

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More money for cars back in the field?????

How do we do that?????

Promote and advertise the class.

1. Have fans ask for us to race.

2. Park an unused race car at the front gate to the grandstands with a photographer and bulls!tter.

3. Allow kids and sometimes even adults get in for pictures.

4. If they don't have a camera get their names and e mail addresses and offer to send them a copy.

5. Get some hot shoes in the stands and offer to sign autographs.

6. Throw out some T shirts and other items.

7. Get the fans on your mailing list.

8. Make the promoters of the tracks want you back as a money maker instead as a cheap filler class.

9.Get the announcers on our side. Have them talk up how fast we really are, and how affordable we are when compared with other cars that may be much slower than us. Heck let him take one for a spin, that should do it. They wont be lying.

10. Add some pazzaz maybe some nick names and I love rivalries.

11. The more we have to offer the larger the demand for our racing the more we can ask to put on a show, and that is still what we are doing, putting on a show. If we can draw the crowd the promoter can afford to pay us more. Get out of the back gate mentality and work on a cut of the front gate that is where the money should really be.

If you want more money Do it the old fashion "American Way" get off your dead ass and work for it and don't wait for somebody to just hand it to you and cry because it isn't enough.

Do you really know why our purse is dictated on the number of cars signing in?? any the payback drops off so fast.

THINK ABOUT IT$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

I like your thinking dad. At 35 raceway minis were the premier class in the late 90s. They ran 250s and 600s. It was a smaller facility acreage wise and the fans knew the drivers and vice versa. At one point there was a bounty offered by the track owner to beat the 44w. To win the bounty a driver had to start behind him, pass him an he had to finish the race. Family called me the flash and a few called me a flash in the pan. Those were good times and everyone had a blast. We had a garage built ERC clone with a 637 F-3 running hilborne mechanical injection. And the car was always hooked to the track! The mechanical had 0 wires back then and we weren't smart enough to adjust it! Clean the nozzles out weekly and go. If I remember correctly everyone was cheating. Lol.

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Sure used to be hard to find a seat in the grand stand back then, we used to make the big shows, when Tony would have his big National's.

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

The original track or current track?

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The first track we raced the little yellow 69 Beast car and the yellow 96 Stealth.

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

We probably raced each other. We ran there between 91 and 98. Always 44w. The big races were always a blast. The damn pa posse always kicked our butts in the 250 class those nights.

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First time I ever saw a car pick the right front wheel! was the old 250's at 35.

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

You will like this I you liked 35.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nc_S1XsobOA. I've been converting my VHS to DVD slowly.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nc_S1XsobOA

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The last time we raced there was the Gettlefinger memorial. Got their way late went out and hot lapped with sidewinders had fast time for the group then they figured out we was an upright and caught all kinds of hell.

Seems to me a 44 won that deal. I think it was powered by an old Kaw.

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