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LPS Insider 9/9/12 4:37 PM

Lincoln Park Speedway-Results from 9/8
 
What a night!

55 Sprints!
72 Modifieds!
27 Super Stocks!
30 Bombers!

And some awesome fireworks!

Congrats to Coleman Gulick for defending his title as The King Of Non-Wing Sprints!

Also to Devin Gilpin for taking the 9th Annual Patriot 100!

Cullen Goodman won the Super Stock Feature
and
CJ Bryan won the Bomber Feature!

Results have been posted HERE.

Feature results are below. The rest of the Modified results will be posted soon.

Sprint Cars 12 - A MAIN 1
Pos Driver Car #
1 Coleman Gulick 14G
2 Casey Shuman 27A
3 Thomas Meseraull 17
4 Jeff Bland Jr 38
5 Kyle Cummins 3C
6 Chase Briscoe 5
7 A J Hopkins 42G
8 Brady Short 11P
9 Brent Beauchamp 34
10 Braylon Fitzpatrick 3F
11 Jon Sciscoe 57
12 Dakota Jackson 3
13 Kent Christian 70
14 Chris Gurley 12
15 Bub Cummings 71
16 Parker Price Miller 9P
17 Jason Soudrette 44S
18 Conner Donelson 42
19 C J Leary 30
20 Ryan Pace 44P
21 Josh Burton 04

Sprint Cars 12 - A MAIN 2
Pos Driver Car #
1 Nick Drake 55D
2 Ethan Barrow 15
3 James Bradshaw 78
4 Brian Lake 7L
5 Daylan Chambers 4C
6 Garrett Abrams 32A
7 Danny Harris 19H
8 Matt Thompson 31
9 Rod Henning 24P
10 Dwaye Spille 71S
11 Danny Pollock 24
12 Levi Shields 56
13 Logan Jarrett 29
14 Lance Grimes 87
15 David Hair 44
16 Troy Link 49

Sprint Cars 12 - A MAIN 3
Pos Driver Car #
1 Tyler Courtney 23C
2 Shawn Krockenberger 21K
3 Brandon Mattox 28
4 Chris Phillips 6P
5 Jarett Andretti 18A
6 Daren Krockenberger 42K
7 Randy Hickey 11H
8 Jeremy Giles 3G
9 Shawn Miller 14M
10 Logan Hupp 9H
11 Adam Cruea 83C
12 Seth Parker 38P
13 Drew Dorsett 10D
14 Blake Fitzpatrick 71C
15 Michael Fischesser 4
16 Jared Fox 56X
17 Mike Weber 2W
18 Rick Vaughn 22V

Sprint Cars 12 - B MAIN 1
Pos Driver Car #
1 Kyle Cummins 3C
2 A J Hopkins 42G
3 Conner Donelson 42
4 Ethan Barrow 15
5 Tyler Courtney 23C
6 Garrett Abrams 32A
7 Jared Fox 56X
8 Seth Parker 38P
9 Michael Fischesser 4
10 Levi Shields 56
11 Mike Weber 22W
12 Lance Grimes 87
13 Randy Hickey 11H
14 Troy Link 49
15 Rick Vaughn 22V

Sprint Cars 12 - B MAIN 2
Pos Driver Car #
1 Dakota Jackson 3
2 Chris Gurley 12
3 Brady Short 11P
4 Logan Hupp 9H
5 Logan Jarrett 29
6 Bub Cummings 71
7 Danny Harris 19H
8 Shawn Krockenberger 21K
9 Brian Lake 7L
10 Jeremy Giles 3G
11 Dwaye Spille 71S
12 Shawn Miller 14M
13 Daren Krockenberger 42K
14 David Hair 44

Sprint Cars 12 - B MAIN 3
Pos Driver Car #
1 Kent Christian 70
2 Braylon Fitzpatrick 3F
3 Blake Fitzpatrick 71C
4 Nick Drake 55D
5 Adam Cruea 83C
6 James Bradshaw 78
7 Brandon Mattox 28
8 Danny Pollock 24
9 Chris Phillips 6P
10 Daylan Chambers 4C
11 Jarett Andretti 18A
12 Matt Thompson 31
13 Rod Henning 24P
14 Drew Dorsett 10D


Ump Modifieds - A Main
Pos Driver Car #
1 Devin Gilpin G1
2 Jesse Cramer 12
3 Trent Young 10Y
4 Dave Beck 71X
5 Nate Zimmer 32Z
6 Clint DeMoss 78C
7 Scott Orr 88ORR
8 Todd Sherman 65
9 Randy Lines 18L
10 Joey Cramer 2012
11 Levi Kissinger 8K
12 Bradley Sterrett 90
13 Tyler Weiss 50
14 Paul Bumgardner 54
15 Paul Miles 28
16 Craig Conyer 31C
17 Kenny Carmichael Sr 92
18 John DeMoss 79D
19 Aaron Orr 188
20 Scott Ricketts 33

UMP Modified 12 - B MAIN 1
Pos Driver Car #
1 Devin Gilpin 1G
2 Clint DeMoss 78C
3 Kenny Carmichael SR 92
4 Ryan Sutter 185
5 Kenny Carmichael JR 92C
6 Lynn Johns 92J
7 Michael Kettnich 19
8 Donald Kiger 01
9 Jacob Houts 4H
10 Richie Lex 7LEX
11 Zachary Dennis 03D
12 Ken Kelley 92K
13 Bryan Barber 10
14 Denny Schwartz 21DS
15 David Collier 88M

UMP Modified 12 - B MAIN 2
Pos Driver Car #
1 John DeMoss 79D
2 Trent Young 10Y
3 Nate Zimmer 32Z
4 Jake Humphrey 77H
5 Corey Partin 99P
6 Gary Ricketts 133
7 Roger Cavaness 11
8 Larry Lambert 5#L
9 Brian Hayden 2H
10 Cory Seeling 03
11 Tyler Nicely 25
12 Chuck Walden 73
13 Mike Bechelli 97
14 Doug Bryant JR 29
15 Roger Cary 44

UMP Modified 12 - B MAIN 3
Pos Driver Car #
1 Craig Conyer 31
2 Joey Kramer 2012
3 Todd Sherman 65
4 Nick Allen 21A
5 Stephen Schnapf 21S
6 Matt Westfall 20W
7 Matt Bex 31B
8 John Hipps 00H
9 Greg Amick 27A
10 Mike Brown 20M
11 Dan Lewellen 5
12 Derrick Austin 0%
13 Brent Mullins 41M
14 Gabe Menser G1
15 Steve Godsey 14

UMP Modified 12 - B MAIN 4
Pos Driver Car #
1 Aaron Orr 188
2 Levi Kissinger 8K
3 Tyler Weiss 50
4 Danny Schwartz 21D
5 Carlos Bumgardner SR 34
6 Blake Davis 227
7 Schuyler Nahre 22N
8 Andrew Auler 10LH
9 Marty Oneal 27
10 Josh Harris 83
11 Dane Tilstra 28T
12 Craig Walker 22
13 Gary Barrow 8B
14 Brent Hudson 2B
15 Chris Hillman 06


Super Stocks 12 - A MAIN
Pos Driver Car #
1 Cullen Goodman 1G
2 Steve Peeden P3
3 Slick Griffin G2
4 Kenny Carmichael Jr 3
5 Kenny Carmichael SR 92
6 Doug McCullough 19M
7 Mike Staggs 7S
8 Troy Clark 13C
9 Kyle Laughlin K
10 J R Watkins 07
11 Bobby Davis 11L
12 Travis Heramb 7
13 Dale Mccullough Jr 18M
14 Kris Starks 26
15 Jake Leitzman 2
16 Steve Ware 14A
17 Marty Cooper 00
18 Christian York 14
19 Jason Cockerham 21
20 Jeremy Helton 6J
21 Tyler Cain 5C
22 Josh McDaniel 11M
23 Dustin Bruce 26B
24 Robert Albright S77
25 Roy Bruce JR XX
26 Justin Davis 70
27 Chris Hillman OH

Bombers 12 - A MAIN
Pos Driver Car #
1 C.J. Bryan 8
2 Marlin Burns C88
3 Josh Foxworthy 38
4 Tim Wright 44
5 David Bumgardner 5
6 Scott Tidwell 55
7 David Wallen 59
8 Kevin Kemp 18
9 Frank Cotton 86
10 Jeff Cast 63JC
11 Doug Parker 7P
12 Jack Campbell 3C
13 James Walters 34W
14 Kyle Krupa 46K
15 Don Grant 116
16 Jerry Hutto 54J
17 Damon Harrell 74
18 Ronald Blake 43
19 Megan Cavaness 5C
20 Jeff Beggs 54
21 Josh Presley 83
22 Daniel Foxworthy 24
23 Mike Fisher, Jr 39JR
24 John Young 25
25 Ron Smith 52
26 Josh Settles 44C
27 Chris Schepper 9
28 Tom Courtney 17
29 Jake Waggoner 11W
30 Blake Cross 44B

Rogue-9 9/9/12 7:37 PM

Re: Lincoln Park Speedway-Results from 9/8
 
We need a nickname for last night!

LPS Insider 9/9/12 8:28 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rogue-9 (Post 301724)
We need a nickname for last night!

For some of us it was almost the 24 Hours of Le Putnamville!

mayor31 9/9/12 8:37 PM

Re: Lincoln Park Speedway-Results from 9/8
 
I was worried I was going to pay for a 2nd pit pass when I left. LOL jk

treecitytornado 9/10/12 12:23 AM

Maybe just have Mods and Sprints next year for this race. Still would be a ton of cars, but take less time.

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Wallsracing 9/10/12 8:01 AM

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i thought watching the bomber feature at 515AM we was back to the ole .DA ERA...was about 50 people in the stands..all in all i had a fun night...good track lots of elbows up driving sometimes too much...next year maybe start a few hrs earlier i really didnt see anything that could have been done to speed up the show..good job spiker and crew:6::6::6:

mayor31 9/10/12 10:59 AM

Could do it next year on memorial weekend and make it part of the Jerry Lewis telethon its a 24hr deal. Lol jk had fun no complaints here. We all knew there was going to be alot of cars and expected a late night

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Bill Gardner 9/10/12 11:44 AM

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Next year? You guys forget that the King of NonWing was rescheduled after the rainout the Saturday before the Patriot. I doubt we see this event scheduled on the same night again.

My take on Saturday... Something happened and has been happening that is not a good trend for sprint car racing.

The modified payout was much higher/good... and cars came out in large numbers (72).

The sprint car payout was basically a regular show payout for feature #1, lower than a regular show for features #2 & 3... and we saw the largest car count (55) at any Indiana sprint car track. Obviously the sprint car count was aided by no other track racing sprint cars.

More sprint cars than any night of the Kokomo Smackdown. :(

Mix in the fact that 507 modifieds have raced in Indiana versus 241 sprint cars in Indiana.

The cost associated with owning a modified are very close to owning a sprint car (with the only exception being a few top notch sprint car teams).

If you are a sprint car team or fan... It sure sends a bad message to promoters when low payouts for sprint cars(and offering every car a feature) fill up the pits... while higher payouts for modifieds fill up the pits.

If sprint car teams don't support the higher paying events in large numbers... why on earth does a promoter assume the risk of offering more money.

If this trend continues... and if I was a promoter and it was all about my bottomline. I would run higher payouts for modifieds weekly and only host high paying NW sprints as a special show. I'm a big fan of sprint car racing... and that's terrible!

Hotshoe65s 9/10/12 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Gardner (Post 301812)
Next year? You guys forget that the King of NonWing was rescheduled after the rainout the Saturday before the Patriot. I doubt we see this event scheduled on the same night again.

My take on Saturday... Something happened and has been happening that is not a good trend for sprint car racing.

The modified payout was much higher/good... and cars came out in large numbers (72).

The sprint car payout was basically a regular show payout for feature #1, lower than a regular show for features #2 & 3... and we saw the largest car count (55) at any Indiana sprint car track. Obviously the sprint car count was aided by no other track racing sprint cars.

More sprint cars than any night of the Kokomo Smackdown. :(

Mix in the fact that 507 modifieds have raced in Indiana versus 241 sprint cars in Indiana.

The cost associated with owning a modified are very close to owning a sprint car (with the only exception being a few top notch sprint car teams).

If you are a sprint car team or fan... It sure sends a bad message to promoters when low payouts for sprint cars(and offering every car a feature) fill up the pits... while higher payouts for modifieds fill up the pits.

If sprint car teams don't support the higher paying events in large numbers... why on earth does a promoter assume the risk of offering more money.

If this trend continues... and if I was a promoter and it was all about my bottomline. I would run higher payouts for modifieds weekly and only host high paying NW sprints as a special show. I'm a big fan of sprint car racing... and that's terrible!

Bill I'd say it has to do a lot with low budget sprint teams not attending higher paying races because they don't want to spend all that money knowing they don't have a very good shot at making the feature. Let's be honest a low budget guy is not going to go out and outrun the darlands, jones, windom, etc. I'm not saying they don't have the talent or ability to, I'm just saying they get out-monied. Sprint racing is pricing many drivers out of being competitive. And the mods are heading that way too, but the massive number of mods out there is whats saving them right now.
I wouldn't be at all surprised if paragon has the highest car count this weekend. Being guaranteed to make the show means a lot to some teams that just want to race.

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Bill Gardner 9/10/12 12:04 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hotshoe65s (Post 301815)
Bill I'd say it has to do a lot with low budget sprint teams not attending higher paying races because they don't want to spend all that money knowing they don't have a very good shot at making the feature. Let's be honest a low budget guy is not going to go out and outrun the darlands, jones, windom, etc. I'm not saying they don't have the talent or ability to, I'm just saying they get out-monied. Sprint racing is pricing many drivers out of being competitive. And the mods are heading that way too, but the massive number of mods out there is whats saving them right now.
I wouldn't be at all surprised if paragon has the highest car count this weekend. Being guaranteed to make the show means a lot to some teams that just want to race.

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Dustin, I completely understand that. I guess my problem is what happen to the mentality that I'M GOING TO BEAT THE BEST.

Hotshoe65s 9/10/12 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Gardner (Post 301816)
Dustin, I completely understand that. I guess my problem is what happen to the mentality that I'M GOING TO BEAT THE BEST.

Yeah, went to the world 100 for late models and I can assure you late model guys still have that mantality. Lot of cars that went knowing it was going to take a miracle, but went anyway.
I think promoters just need to focus on ways to get the little guy to the big shows.
Integra shocks gave a $3,000 shock package away to a random team that came in on an open trailer to the world 100. They also had a lot of other ways the little guy could earn a couple bucks.

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Bill Gardner 9/10/12 12:25 PM

Re: Lincoln Park Speedway-Results from 9/8
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hotshoe65s (Post 301822)
I think promoters just need to focus on ways to get the little guy to the big shows.

Kind of like the KFC Chicken Little commercial... We got some little news, You want to be little shot. Do you want the little office. Well then put your little boy pants on and step it up. Little is the new big.



No thanks. :D:3:

openwheelKT 9/10/12 1:38 PM

Re: Lincoln Park Speedway-Results from 9/8
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Gardner (Post 301812)
Next year?
The sprint car payout was basically a regular show payout for feature #1, lower than a regular show for features #2 & 3... and we saw the largest car count (55) at any Indiana sprint car track. Obviously the sprint car count was aided by no other track racing sprint cars.

More sprint cars than any night of the Kokomo Smackdown. :(

That was my first thought when I saw the car count too, Bill. I’ll never question when/where a team runs, I don’t pay the bills. However, sometimes I don’t understand what goes into the decision of when to run.

The Smackdown was a perfect example. The “lower buck” team doesn’t have a huge shot to win it, I get that. However, there was something to shoot for by making the feature that paid 1K to start (with bonus potential too). A lot of “big money” shows only pay big money near the top and it drops off big from there. I understand why the “lower buck” teams stay away from those events. I thought the Smackdown played to the “big” and “small” team so I thought the car count would be a little higher. Again, I don’t pay the bills….and not a *****...just don’t understand why car counts are what they are sometimes.

Danny Burton 9/10/12 1:43 PM

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What KT says and that commercial ruined my appetite, Bill. :3:

Bill Gardner 9/10/12 2:36 PM

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Danny, I'm sure the sandwich tastes good. It's the words I don't like.;)

Rogue-9 9/10/12 3:20 PM

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Kokomo usually gets lower car counts though for some reason. I think its hard on equipment.

Shawn Harper 9/10/12 4:17 PM

Re: Lincoln Park Speedway-Results from 9/8
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Gardner (Post 301816)
Dustin, I completely understand that. I guess my problem is what happen to the mentality that I'M GOING TO BEAT THE BEST.

I was always told if you want to beat the best, you have to race with the best. That only makes you better. :32:

19racer 9/10/12 7:06 PM

Racing in general is expensive. I spoke to few sprint car, late model, mods and street stock guys. As far as late models and sprints for best money can buy late models are pushing close to 900 hp and sprint 800-850 with total cost of everything brand new 80,000 plus. Mods looking at 40-60,000 and street stock guys running for 200-300 to win have 20 grand in a car. Rules are out of control if you ask them and cost is through the roof. Some say ump killed most of the classes.
Far as Kokomo goes it fast 3-4 wide racing racing and ask any winner that has won there they don't come easy. Heard one driver say Kokomo is best track that they run on and you better come with your A game or your gonna get beat. It's always elbows up for every class.
I didn't go to Lps sat but I've been there this year. My only thing is I don't like taking forever to remove cars. Get wreckers there get it hooked let's go. One thing I try do is get the messes done quick as for a fan they hate watching parade laps. I know thing happen where it takes longer but gotta either get more help or light fire under the people that work at any track.
Jmo I wouldn't have qualified mods 2 laps. One only. I would've just did draw if was me. I personally don't like single car qualifying. They had a good count of cars but can't run til 5 am next day. Drivers fans remember that for the next year. As season ends for some continue for others be safe and have fun

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Flatrightrear 9/11/12 12:27 AM

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How about a feature for the next 20 cars or so that don't make the big A-Main? Pay a decent purse --I guess a Paragon type payout would work or something along those lines - and maybe a lot more guys would run as they feel they have a better chance of running more laps and make a few more bucks. I'm strictly speaking of a way to increase car count. Maybe not economically feasible. Fans would need to pay a premium to see two features--I would-- and more cars equals more dollars at the pit gate. Just a thought. Oh, run the Big A-Main first and then the smaller one second for those fans that need to get on the road.

---------- Post added at 11:21 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:14 PM ----------

You could advertise it as two A-Mains, Big A and Little A and call the show "A-Main Madness." Hey, I like it.

---------- Post added at 11:27 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:21 PM ----------

Think of the pictures you could use to advertise Big A and Little A. HA HA

racefan20 9/11/12 12:45 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mayor31 (Post 301803)
Could do it next year on memorial weekend and make it part of the Jerry Lewis telethon its a 24hr deal. Lol jk had fun no complaints here. We all knew there was going to be alot of cars and expected a late night

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Naa Jerry got kicked out and it was just 3 hrs this year I think.

LPS Insider 9/11/12 6:26 AM

Re: Lincoln Park Speedway-Results from 9/8
 
The Modified B-Main finishes have been added to the original post. Also, pictures from Saturday have been posted at our website.

kcarm92 9/11/12 9:43 AM

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Bill not to offend anybody but i think as former sprintcar owner/driver kokomo car count was not because fear of not making show or racing big money teams heck you do that at weekly shows i think it was more the usac factor, car entrys each nite, pit passes , and tires and haveing to wait a week to get your money, most low dollar guys need ton be payed that night just like at weekly shows,

Bill Gardner 9/11/12 11:13 AM

Yeah, you and I have talked about the USAC factor. I understand all that.

Kokomo wasn't the only race this year that drivers did not support the high payout.

My main goal was to point out that promoters don't have an incentive to increase purses when low payout shows get more support.

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