Bye bye Goodyear, AGAIN, WoO to discontunue use
 

Good, it should be OPEN TIRE, like it always used to be! Let's have all 3 manufacturers involved and see what kind of competition we have!

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I agree. An open tire rule would be great for the fans. Give us a little more to cheer about come show time. I am sure that the series will pull the "Cost Savings" card out and sign a deal to run spec tires, though.

Goodyears when you want to race. Hoosiers when you want to win.

First post for me. Thanks for the open invite and not "spec" members. :)

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Does anybody have open tire rules of any kind now? I'm not being a wisenheimer, honestly. I can't think of anyone, in terms of a top level series, etc. Anybody?

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Boss series has open and has some contingency from both Hoosier and AR I think.

That's right Chuck and BOSS will stay that way in 2013 too.

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Not to change the post, but would this have anything to do with the goodyear TV commercials? They would show 4 or 5 types of race cars that use goodyears.--off road--drag racing--but no sprint cars. You would think for the money they had spent to get the lock on WOO sprint cars they would have a 10 sec clip of them. Just asking.

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I wonder if the other series and individual tracks that mandate Goodyears will follow WOO's lead?

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boss series!!!!
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The article doesn't really say that there will be no more Goodyear in WoO. It says it will not be the "official" tire supplier after 2012. Reading between the lines - you will be able to get them but likely at a higher price.

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Perhaps WOO will follow BOSS's lead. I wonder why nobody else is?

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every sprint car series in the entire country (ASCS, WoO, USAC, ASCoC, NCRA, Knoxville, Williams Grove etc) should run the same tire. Any race track that runs a weekly sprint car show or any sprint car sanctioning body should all be on the same tire. Now that's "cost effective". If you want to go to a sprint car show somewhere you dont have to worry about their rules, if you have a sprint car in the trailer you can race

Stiffer side wall tires lead to better winged racing. Open tires lead to worse winged racing. There's a reason why they run spec tires.

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2 things here

1 if they go back tot he spec tire I would really like the rule to read you may run x,y,or z tires but you may also run the standard weekly tire of the track that you are racing at. That would really stir up a few races.

2 with all of the tire preping agents these days, the only tire rule is you must start with tire x. I have been to several different sprint car races over the last 5 years, and have yet to see anyone actually teching the tires. Normally they are just looking for a make on the tire.

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Tire prep??? say it ain't so!!!:20:

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Although it's not really a series yet (but hopefully in 2013) the Ontario Topless Sprints is an open tire deal and likely will always remain that way. Hoping very much to become a real series in 2013.:8:

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Awesome News now others can afford to run with WoO without having to buy their Goodyear tires.


Danny 24

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I agree with a open tire rule, I always thought that was the business way, open competion. I hope you guys huge success, if the canadians can wheel a car like they can ride speedway it will be real good. Speedway was great when the boys from Canada used to come down, fierce competitors.

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I don’t think most of you on this board are old enough or have ever raced a car with an open tire rule. This probably works with local series but when a high profile or national series has an open tire rule it provides nothing good except for the teams at the top. Manufacturers want to win in these series to help sell tires. To accomplish this they provide unlimited tires to a few top teams who they will put under contract. These teams will also occasionally use test tires that are not available to everyone to provide both a development curve and an advantage. This happened in the early 90’s when for example Irish from Hoosier would bring to the track special tires to Rich Vogler in the back of his van. Chuck Copacchi(sp?) used to do the same thing for Goodyear teams for Silver Crown and pavement races. If you want the top teams to have an unlimited supply of better tires that you can’t even buy then an open tire rule is the way to go. Even if you forget about the point funds and all the other PR BS, spec tires are where racing needs to be.

Mike Devin

I raced with an open tire rule with USAC and many local tracks in the early 2000s and it worked great! USAC didn't go to a spec right rear only until 2007 or 2008. Paragon and the Buckeye Outlaw Sprint Series have an Open Tire Rule that works great as well. I have heard rumors that their may be another local Indiana track going back to an Open Tire rule next season. That would be great!
It makes all 3 manufacturers get serious about making their product the best and most reasonably priced. I don't think their is anything wrong with that!

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Call me a novice. Call me a fan. But more importantly, I am the guy who pays money to sit in the seats and watch, like a lot of other guys and gals.

To me (the fan) I see a spec tire rule as trying to save money for whatever series is using it/them. Period. Whomever supplies the tires puts a little more money into the kitty for all of the teams to pull off of. It isn't a matter of better tires for the supplier. It is a matter of getting your product out there for all to see at your expense. It isn't competition.

What I don't like with spec tires is the elimination of This vs. That and the continued watering down of competition. If we want to save money, let's all go to spec engines. Spec chassis. Spec drivers. And sooner or later, you will get spec fans and everything will just slowly die in a death spiral of boredom.

So, I say, open tire rule! I tip my purple hat and raise my glass to the right at Hoosier Tire Headquarters every time I pass through Lakeville as I am headed down south to the races in the great state of Indiana! Nothing I'd like to see better than someone running Hoosiers taking a bite out of the -ss of someone running something else! If they don't like it in Akron, man up or bail out.

Goodyear: Run out of F1 by Michelin. Run out of Indy Cars by Firestone/Bridgestone. Soon to be run out of sprint cars (again). Luckily they have enough $$$ to keep their foothold in NASCAR.

Goodyears when you want to race. Hoosiers when you want to win.

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I am of the opinion that Goodyear as a company overall is in serious trouble. That may affect all of their operations. Regardless, there is a distinct difference between the wing and non-wing. Lance Dewease shed a lot of light on a single tire rule in regards to the racing in PA. It has unhooked the cars enough to where they have to work on the cars to get them to work. Granted there are other rules that are in play, but the results in the recent open tire races in PA should be an indicator.

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Ahhh.... unhooking the cars. Thanks for bringing that to the table.

The easiest way to do that is to stop looking the other way and enforcing the ban on traction control.

Open tire rule - as a fan. You bring yours. We'll bring ours.

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Paragon Speedway has never had a tire rule, its run-watcha-brung

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And that is why you get the car count you get. Great JOB Keith Ford & great racing at Pargon Speedway.

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"Spec Tires" do not save teams money. It may just allow them to spend more money somewhere else on the car. I always laugh when I read people talking about this tire or that tire will get x amount of races out of it. Then I show up to the track and the guy that wins put on a brand new tire that night and its now junk. The only thing a "spec tire" does is put more money in the Promotor or track owners hands.

Amen!

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I too, never understood the reasoning, or lack of, a "spec" tire, if the track does get a "cut" from using them, very little trickles down to the guy buying them, and I'm also a firm believer, that not all cars, and or drivers, do well on the "spec" tire, plus, if you have a tire in your trailer, that you feel can help you on a given track, you can't use it, because it isn't the tire of the day. If someone wants to use a softer, harder, AR, GY,H, it is, after all, their money, why dictate something else that they "have" to use, just "because"? The less involved the tire companies get involved, the better, as far as I'm concerned, if a team gets a "deal" with one, for putting a decal on their car, good for them, to me, it's run what ya brung, and if it ain't the correct one, only one person to blame. Just sayin! Bob

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Since these tire wars started, I always wondered why this scenerio wouldn't work. Say USAC wants $30,000 dollars (or whatever figure) from Hoosier. Why can't they get 10K from Hoosier, 10K from Goodyear and 10K from American Racer. The tires from all brands must Durometer between certain numbers to be legal. And may the best tire or tire deals win.
That seems like a win-win to me. USAC covers some operating cost from tire money and the Teams win with tire competition..:11:

I guess the tire companies would want a monopoly so they don't have to work for their money...I don't know !!!

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I think you have a "open tire rule". Kind of whats been stated before, you can have a minimum durameter spec, and a 1 tire per nite rule, qualify, run heat, and feature on same tire(s), or run a used tire(s) in the heat. Ways to help keep tire cost down as well as give the racer some options as to what tire to run.

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Look for American Racer to become the new WoO tire.
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Its way to political. 1 company puts $10,000 in someones pocket and vamoosh that durameter number changes, or completely goes away. I wonder how many people even know what a durometer looks like? I have helped a series that did durometer tires. The tires they were using were about 3 years old. I can tell you that as the different batches of tires came in, we found different readings. Unfortunatly with this new series, they did not find out until the 2nd shipment showed up at the track. I really remember that night took over 3 hours to figure out who won. It was a mess. P.S. this was one of the big 3. Not throwing any stones at them, you just have to have all your ducks in a row.

Yes some of the new HT2 Hoosiers are quite a bit softer than others. I durometer everyone I use.

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So about how much money are we talking about for AR to become the official WoO tire next year? Anyone have a ballpark number?

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AR are the spec tyre supplier for the World Series Sprintcars in Australia this coming season. 1st time in a very long time it hasnt been Hoosier. It seems some of the drivers are not happy about it either.

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i AGREE run what you brung. if it aint the right compound try another. same as having to bye another as the one u brought with u???????????????????

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The top teams still put a new tire on everynight. Don't matter if it is a RD12 or a D3. And if you want to beat them, no matter your budget, you have to do the same. No money savings.