If Plymouth went DIRT in '13 What should they RUN?
 

Nice idea, but it will be hard to get an unbiased response on here. Most everyone would like open wheel cars on here. Go to 4m and they will all want stock cars. Really depends where and who you ask. Still any feedback is good feedback.

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410 sprints, mods, bombers, thundercars. 600 cc micro sprints would really work with them. that would be perfect to me. Honestly if kokomo ran mods* every week i would be up there more. Hope it works out:10:

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We can find out what open wheel cars us biased folks prefer, I like the poll. I voted for 410's, lightning sprints and 602 crate sprints. All nonwinged. I see the ump mods are liked, you like them you'd love the big block modifieds they run here, the real deal. Oh yeah, open tire rule.

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im just a fan but i like Hoosier

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open tire rule unless you could gain sponsorship but i would say hoosiers are most often used(jmo). I voted 410 non wing, 1000cc lightning sprints, modifieds, and for a street stock/ super stock class type

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I've been to the track and saw the 410's run and I'm tellin ya anything bigger than a full Midget is going to be a challenge to put on a GOOD show... It's ideal for Mini Sprints and TQ's the track needs to accept that and embrace it. :6:

It will be Hoosier as long as Eric Saunders is promoting. You can't poop where you eat lol.

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I'm not positive but I think the initial poster ment if they made the current (and larger) asphalt track dirt for next year.

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that is what i thought it meant also.

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I think they might be able to run Bigger cars besides the Midgets if they take the asphalt up and make the 3/8's mile asphalt track a dirt track. I've seen the track as well and I think it would make one hell of a bull ring with progressive banking (18 on the bottom grove, 20 in the middle grove, and 22 on the high side). You don't see many dirt tracks with that type (progressive) of banking.

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That's exactly what I meant.

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Sounds like a whole lot of speculation. I believe Plymouth has a pretty sound asphalt program as it is.


It'd make a fine dirt track though, progressive banking sounds real snazzy but there are so many more important things to take into consideration about the configuration of the track. Different cars shine on different configurations, what's good for a UMP LM probably isn't going to be great for a TQ and so on.

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Plymouth needs one good night with out some weird weather thing hitting them to find out if a dirt track would work there.. They have got a couple black eyes this year from the rain and late arrival(Tony Stewart night) and the Heat(on the night it was 20 degrees cooler then the night before at start time).

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I know i voted for Midgets, seeing as thats what i own and I'm only about an hour away from Plymouth, but i dont think a non wing 305 class would be bad either. You could bring in the Ohio 305 club(s), have them take off the wing and put on some bigger shows a couple times a year.

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Plymouth stands in interesting territory and has a unique opportunity to make everyone happy. Too many tracks stick to the same routine weekly classes and personally, I like to see places shake things up. There is no reason why you can't have LM, Mod, Sprinters, etc on rotating schedule.

I think the bigger question is, what night would they run?

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Run Friday and they compete with Hartford, Kankakee, and Gas City for cars. Run Saturday and they compete with Shadyhill, Butler, and Montpelier for cars. Run Sunday and they compete with Kokomo for cars. It might be in their best interest to run some classes that don't traditionally race regularly at other tracks in the area. I'm not a big advocate of pulling up the pavement track and replacing it with dirt. Their pavement program is pretty good and with car counts dwindling at the dirt tracks already operating, it may be hard to make it work as a dirt only facility. At least 1 more season with the bullring inside the paved track should give a better measure of what would be good to do with a dirt track at Plymouth.

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I like what they have done there, Thinkin outside the box. With the dirt track they have now it doesn't take motor and Brett Mann say you have to be up on the wheel to drive the place. It puts it back in the drivers hands and not how much $$$$$$ you have to buy HP.

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Leave it asphalt. It is a racey joint for outlaw late models and any of the stock car divisions they run. The CRA Super Series and the CRA Jeg's Series both put on great shows there. HOSS puts on a good show there as well. Maybe they should leave it asphalt and bring in MSA or ISMA supers. A bi-weely dose of supermodifieds would be a great addition to the racing scene in Indiana. We have enough dirt tracks vying for sprint cars as it is. I like it as it is myself

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pick something and stick with it. The current set up is good. #1 problem, whats next? If they put dirt down, I really don't see them ripping up the pavement. So then the question will be, How soon will they switch back? The question is not what should be ran, it what are guys willing to race? What are guys willing to go buy or build to run at your track. I can set here and tell you that I want to see Late Models or Full Size Midgets. If you do not have guys in the area willing to buy them, you are not going to have me as a fan very long. I am not going to pay $10 every week to watch 4 or 5 cars run. Most of your sucessful tracks run classes that are made up of mostly local drivers. Back to what I started with, pick something and stick with it. It is really hard for racers to go make the big investment on a car when they have no idea if they will be able to run it in a season or 2.

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The problem with Supers is I went to sandusky for an MSA show and only had 12 supers 9 modifieds and 12 street stocks. Not sure they would travel this far.

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History has proven time and time again that the best thing for healthy racing is a high concentration of tracks. Look at Iowa for example...

If they don't run UMP Modifieds weekly, then Saturday would be a very viable option. I'm not sure if UMP would allow another track to run weekly Mods so close to Shady Hill.

Another season with more races on the schedule is indeed needed before any serious changes.

UNP used to have a 60 mile rule for UMP sanctioned tracks, but they have since done away with the rule. They could get UMP sanctioning, in fact I beliee they had ump when they ran mods earlier this year.

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Plymouth is UMP sanctioned and any UMP registered Mod will receive UMP state/national points at Plymouth. Our first night, there was a UMP tech inspector present.

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I think promotors are missing a opportunity to groom they're racers for the 410 class. Here they run the crate 602 modifieds as a support class to the modifieds. It works perfect less than 4 grand for a brand new sealed long block, 4500.00 for a perfect roller. 10 grand for a winning car complete. 7 grand less than a new minisprint. When a guy is ready to move up all he needs is a engine. he has everything else including experience setting up the car, ect. Thats one of the reasons theres plenty of mods in the pits every weekend.
You could easily do the same for the sprintcar class. no need for 20-30 grand 305's and 360's or whatever. The engines are also long lasting, I know of a couple that are running the same engine for over two full seasons, a little tired but still running. Then you could have two Sprintcar classes every weekend. By the looks of the polls thats what people like.

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410 wingless sprints in the lead right now

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:47:The crate sprint car is a good idea, but as any new idea it will cost everyone at the start. I do not believe that one track running weekly would be a strong selling point. Plymouth has always been a stock car and special track. Naturally an open wheel board would produce the results that we have seen so far. I would guess many of the local posters are the old Warsaw and Avilla people.
I am not sure the present promotion team wants a steady weekly some car shows, but would prefer more of a special foremat.

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Was there last night and heard John Gurley and them talking about that same thing. Also they are going to move the dirt out on the front stretch. I think It would be a great Saturday night track. Just move the dirt out a little on the asphalt. And with new owner MR Kennedy I know it would be successful, just look at his waterparks in Daytona and Andretti's indoor kart in Atlanta. Maybe you get a tri track series going Gas City, Plymouth and Kokomo. I see they have Pastrana coming in on Oct 6&7 should be a big show!!

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Not sure about Fridays. People say they can't make it there after work now. Look at Speedway Directory most of the tracks are Saturday night. That is the night people go out for entertainment.

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Let's hope that Hartford doesn't close. That track is great and is needed for its unique size. Friday is a tempting night but racechaser is right, we constantly hear how tough it is for driver's to get there on time.
When I raced dirt Fri and Sat nights, the Fri tracks always had lower car counts and less fans in the stands.

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It was announced last night that the track will likely be running Saturday nights next season, whether that is dirt or asphalt or combo of both again is still undecided.
Whatever the decision, it will be interesting nonetheless.

We are still hoping the last few dirt shows, including the upcoming 410 nonwing UMP Mod 600 wingless minis and Hornet August 4th show, will influence a decision either way!

Come support the track as a driver or a fan or both!

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After thinking about it; if Plymouth does go DIRT it would be cool to see Plymouth on the USAC Indiana Sprint Week calender.

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If people really want a dirt track back in northern Indiana like the old Warsaw days. We all need to show the support for the Aug 4th dirt race to show Mr Kennedy ( who is an asphalt guy) That Plymouth would be a good dirt track.