Logan Jarrett and Chris Windom incident
 

Logan Jarrett gets crashed out of heat race 4 on the final lap.
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Was there and watched the whole thing. A couple of fans used some words that aren't suited for here.
Logan Jarrett looks like he's came a long way.

He was very very fast, I think he would of made some noise come feature time but I'm sure he will get another chance..I still don't like that move at all..all for a heat race win

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That's racin' folks!

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Originally Posted by Double0:
That's racin' folks!

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:7: sorry dude but you're wrong! thats SAD! Windom has enough wheel time to know that his huge slider wasn't gonna make the pass clean. There's such a thing as brakes, lifting a lil, and respect for other racers.

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Not blaming anyone, But there is also the crossover move in which the slidy gets out of it a bit early and shoots under the slider as he's gathering it up..

Just a bum deal here But I've seen that type action I mention above several times a lap at some shows.

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opp's, I betcha he was sure he was going to hook up and get under him. I couldnt imagine him banging wheels like that and hoping he was going to not get tangled up. If you havent gotten carried away by excitement and done something a little stupid, you aint raced long enuff.

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Originally Posted by Charles Nungester:
Not blaming anyone, But there is also the crossover move in which the slidy gets out of it a bit early and shoots under the slider as he's gathering it up..

Just a bum deal here But I've seen that type action I mention above several times a lap at some shows.

Ya I know what you're saying, but that is when the slider has you're front end cleared. This film don't lie, Windom wasn't even close enough to attempt the slider and not even close to clearing the front end. No excuses here uless Windom lost his brakes. I don't know Windom, but I did see him stuff another racer into a push truck after the checkers at TSS. I say he was getting his butt kicked by an upcoming racer and had an attitude!

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Not sure what is going on with Windom. He doesn't seem to have the mojo that he had last year. Seems like he has been a "also ran" most of the year....

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I've watched the video more than once. My thoughts, it was just a racing deal. Even though at first I thought Windom was totally at fault.

I do agree that there was no way that Windom would have pulled off a clean slide job on him. So, maybe he just should have just taken what he could. However, it appears that Windom is done with his slide right before they make contact. There's some slightly thicker (for lack of a better term) dirt where he is running. Also, Jarrett is off the cushion right before contact. Almost as if he's getting an angle off the final corner. If he's on the cushion, I think they get close, but don't touch. I think both could have done something different, especially Windom, and this wouldn't have happened. They're racers, going for the win every single time they're on the track. That's why we're fans...

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Originally Posted by Shawn:
I've watched the video more than once. My thoughts, it was just a racing deal. Even though at first I thought Windom was totally at fault.

I do agree that there was no way that Windom would have pulled off a clean slide job on him. So, maybe he just should have just taken what he could. However, it appears that Windom is done with his slide right before they make contact. There's some slightly thicker (for lack of a better term) dirt where he is running. Also, Jarrett is off the cushion right before contact. Almost as if he's getting an angle off the final corner. If he's on the cushion, I think they get close, but don't touch. I think both could have done something different, especially Windom, and this wouldn't have happened. They're racers, going for the win every single time they're on the track. That's why we're fans...

WOW! I must've watched the wrong video, because the video I watched was 100% Windom. The leader didn't do a thing wrong....Honestly, how would the leader know that a car behind him is planning to pull an ill-fated slide job? What could he have "done differently"???? What would you have the leader do? Move out of the second place car's way????

I don't think anything was intentional, Chris just wasn't quite close enough to him as they headed into 3. Just a bad deal.

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Originally Posted by treecitytornado:
I don't think anything was intentional, Chris just wasn't quite close enough to him as they headed into 3. Just a bad deal.

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I don't think it was necessarily intentional, either. It was just incredibly poor judgement on Windom's part to try that move from where he was. Jarrett was just a sitting duck in the whole deal. Probably tore up some pretty expensive stuff (eg. wheel, axle etc.) on his car, as well. I just don't see how Shawn can think Jarrett could've done something differently. How can the leader anticipate, or SEE, what the cars behind him are doing or, are planning on doing????

If it were anyone other than Windom, I would say its just racin. But, as a fan, I have lost a lot of respect for Chris Windom in years past, and this year as well. He's a heck of a driver, but I think sometimes...if not all the time...he lets his emotions get the best of him. And how you race others means a lot to me in this sport. Especially when someone does him "dirty" he loses his cool instantly and tries to retaliate with his car. That's a big no no. So, watching this...although it seemed like a racin deal, I know Windom could have cut that corner more and given jarrett more room. Or just settled in behind jarrett, taken the checkered in 2nd and go beat him in the feature. Feel bad for Logan...I'm sure he tore a lot of stuff up. Sometimes you do have to use your head in racing...seems Windom never does. Jmo.

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Originally Posted by cecil98:
WOW! I must've watched the wrong video, because the video I watched was 100% Windom. The leader didn't do a thing wrong....Honestly, how would the leader know that a car behind him is planning to pull an ill-fated slide job? What could he have "done differently"???? What would you have the leader do? Move out of the second place car's way????

I'm not saying the Jarrett needed to do anything differently at all. He didn't know Windom was going to try anything at all. All that I said was that Jarrett was off of the cushion slightly. That, which isn't his fault, mixed with Windom hauling it in there, probably caused the crash. I simply said that I felt it was a racing deal, or if anything, more of Windom's fault for being a little too aggressive in a heat race. I never said it was Logan's fault or that he could have done anything different, period. Which, by the way, I agree that he's much improved this year. Fun to watch!

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Originally Posted by Shawn:
I'm not saying the Jarrett needed to do anything differently at all. He didn't know Windom was going to try anything at all. All that I said was that Jarrett was off of the cushion slightly. That, which isn't his fault, mixed with Windom hauling it in there, probably caused the crash. I simply said that I felt it was a racing deal, or if anything, more of Windom's fault for being a little too aggressive in a heat race. I never said it was Logan's fault or that he could have done anything different, period. Which, by the way, I agree that he's much improved this year. Fun to watch!

Shawn, I'm not beating you up. I just didn't understand your thinking on this event or, I just misinterpreted what you were trying to say. That's all.

Where did the winner of heat 4 start in the feature?
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That's what separates the veterans from the superfast young guys...the vets are able to race that hard and aggressively without running over people most of the time, because they've had a racecar bust their tails at some point in their career...they respect what those cars can do to their drivers...Clauson unfortunately became a veteran at a very young age when he went cage first into the fence at Wheatland, MO 4 or 5 years ago...tore some of the cage out and messed up Bryan's neck pretty bad...He is still a superfast young driver but you rarely see him put a wheel wrong or use the right side of the car as a big bumper.... One of these days if he keeps treating other cars that way Windom will end up getting his butt busted by a racecar. He will spend some time in the crash house and will respect the cars when he is able to get back in the seat....


Don't read this as I want it to happen to him, or anybody else, because I wish nobody would ever ever get injured racing. Unfortunately it's the nature of the beast and no matter how many times you see somebody else get banged up you really don't learn anything until it's you laying there wondering if you will ever get healed up enough to get back behind the wheel.

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If I'm not mistaken, didn't Chris fracture a vertebrae in his neck a couple of years ago during Illinois Sprint Week?

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yes he did .at shepps i'm thinking.

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cecil he didn't have his mirror adjusted correctly.:)

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Race drivers are the same as the rest of us. Occasionally, they make a bad decision. I'm sure if Chris could take this one back, he would. Because you know the end result wasn't what he was trying to pull off, in this case. And you don't have the luxury of getting a do over. You have to feel bad for Logan, though. That one cost him a heat race win at a real tough track.

Jerry

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Stupid move when the top two redraw for feature if I am not mistaken. He must have wanted to draw 4 spots quicker really bad.

Actually only the heat winners redrew. Chris would have started 8th had he finished 2nd.

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Everyone is always quick to draw swords! Guys like Windom race to win, thats why there are people in the stands. There is some truth to the fact that if the lead car was on the cushion then there would have been no contact, you see these sliders all the time, the guy on the inside (slider) only has his hearing and judgement at a certain angle, sometimes they have to use the cushion as a gauge? Did he mean for there to be contact? I seriously doubt that, will it happen again, most likely, when a driver has repeat problems then the swords are justified. I remember Hewitt screwing up big time one night at Eldora and trashing Lealand McSpaden, and just 2 years ago DD punted Cole Whitt at Kokomo, and I could go on and on. When these drivers strap in a racecar each night they know that someone could have a moment, if it was easy the stands would be empty and the pit area full! If Windom becomes a frequent problem then bombs away, but at this point in his career he has been a solid racers, so at this point IMO he deserves a little of the respect he has earned!:22:

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Originally Posted by mortboyz:
If I'm not mistaken, didn't Chris fracture a vertebrae in his neck a couple of years ago during Illinois Sprint Week?

I think Kokomo also bit him a few years ago.

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im not a fan of windom but heres what i saw.....he tried something that probably wasnt going to work and then, when he figured it out, it was too late. i dont see it as being intentional or smart but he did try to turn away (too late) to try to avoid contact.
IMO....if you wanna pizz off the fans and officials.....stuff the leader on the last lap on the front straight in front of everyone :14:

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I was there and saw this as well. Have watched Windom since he started racing at Kokomo years ago and always enjoy watching him. However, he clearly made a poor decision on this one. Understand it is racing but what makes it so tough is to see a young racer having made such great progress have the Heat win taken away and a start in the feature. Too bad but he will certainly get many more opportunities.

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Originally Posted by smith19:
cecil he didn't have his mirror adjusted correctly.:)

I knew you would show up here, Chris!!! LOL!!

I could care less, but let's not forget that Logan made a bone head pass just a few weeks ago in the same corner on josh spencer and stuffed him nose 1st in the fence . The way I see it. Windom gave him a choice lift and finish 2nd or crash. And what goes around comes around.

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Originally Posted by Jerry Shaw:
Race drivers are the same as the rest of us. Occasionally, they make a bad decision. I'm sure if Chris could take this one back, he would. Because you know the end result wasn't what he was trying to pull off, in this case. And you don't have the luxury of getting a do over. You have to feel bad for Logan, though. That one cost him a heat race win at a real tough track.

Jerry

In addition to the heat race win not happening, he also lost a transfer spot to the feature and loaded a wrecked race car on the hauler for an early trip home. Always difficult to see these types of situations happen. However, they know when they strap in that this could be the outcome.

Reverse the roles and see how one sided this topic is....

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