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To bash wings on this site ? I double checked the sites home page and it does say nonwing, right there in big letters. Seems like that should make it ok to take polite shots on the worse thing to ever happen to a sprintcar. :27: :8: :22:

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Well the sites name is Indiana Open wheel. So based just on the name alone any open wheel car and or series racing in Indiana should be talked about. Hence the reason there is a Modified section of the website. While I will agree the majority of the wing races do not produce side by side racing, they can still be quite enjoyable especially on small tracks. I grew up going to Butler Motor Speedway in Quincy, Michigan, where they race winged 410's on a weekly basis, Before I moved to Indiana, I didn't even know they raced with out the wings and it took me a while to adjust. Now I prefer non-wing over wing, but any and all types of sprint car discussion should be allowed on the website with minimal bashing.

Maybe Bill should make an icon for wing posts that way those who do not like the wings can just skip over it.

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Personally I dont think any type of racing should be bashed. Just be thankful we still have racing of any kind to watch.:32:

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Originally Posted by backitin:
to bash wings on this site ? I double checked the sites home page and it does say nonwing, right there in big letters. Seems like that should make it ok to take polite shots on the worse thing to ever happen to a sprintcar. :27: :8: :22:

:99:::99::.....had too sorry

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I felt the same way about wing cars for years. After a particularly awful Outlaw show at Manzy,I swore I'd never attend another wing show,Outlaw or not! Started saying, "Wings are for Maxi-Pads", and meant it! Then,earlier this year,it all went out the window!! Kevin Montgomery got the ASCS National tour season opener booked at Canyon Speedway Park for a 2 night show in March. My first thoughts were just like Lloyd's (see above post,LOL). But,wanting to support our local track,having a night off from work and spending time with good friends were too much of a draw,so I reserved my seat (Thanks,Jeannie!). Was I ever surprised!! Those 360's,on Canyon's reconfigured 3/8th,were some of the best racing I've seen thus far this year! 2 and 3 wide into the corners,passing all through the field, lap times in the high 11's and watching our local boys (Rick Ziehl...killer with or without the garage door!) run with the national group were just a few of the highlights for me! Our local ASCS Southwest region club also put on a good show in April,albeit with a slim car count due to competing wing shows in Tucson and Las Cruces. My first love will always be Non-Wing racing,where all the driver has is a right rear and a big pair,but I learned that a good wing show on a good track can be a close second!

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Sorry to break it to you Hoosiers, outside of Indiana not many moderately hardcore race fans know what non-wing or USAC is. As unpopular as that statement is, it’s the truth. No offense but I really don’t see a whole lot of excitement in non-wing mini-sprints and TQ’s as full fledged sprints and midgets. Many of the regular contributors on this site are from outside of Indiana. California is a really sad state of affairs in all forms of racing. If you need state ID to register on this site, you can delete my account right now.

Even winged racing is even very segmented by surface, series and motor size. I like non wing as well, but look at the accomplishments of Tony Stewart. To only include his USAC career, tells me you are missing out on a whole lot of relevant excitement.

We get that you love non wing, but outside of ARDC and the Eastern Storm, there really isn’t much to see in PA is there? We pay $5.22 a gallon for gas where I live, if I limited my racing to non wing and a reasonable distance from home I would see one race a year, let’s hope it doesn’t get rained out. Aren’t you all about “freedom”. :deadhorse:

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Originally Posted by backitin:
to bash wings on this site ? I double checked the sites home page and it does say nonwing, right there in big letters. Seems like that should make it ok to take polite shots on the worse thing to ever happen to a sprintcar. :27: :8: :22:

---------- If It Has Wheels On It I And You Give Me The Chance I Will Race It -----------

It is hard to believe that anyone who reads I-O-W could be so prejudiced. If you put a race driver around any thing with wheels on it they will probably race it from tri-cycles, coaster wagons, motorcycles to even a few rental cars in Tulsa Ok.

I guess I'm a "Liberal Libertarion". I don't have the bucks or time to race what I want to race but I did find a nitch race car that allows me to race close to what I want to race and on my limited budget, I'm spending just a little over my head right now and having fun with my son doing it.
When we started It was all wings and nothing but wings and I grew to feel safe knowing my kid had that big old pillow over his head.

The track usually dictates whether or not a race will be follow the leader or a wheel banger 4 wide brawl, more so than whether or not you have a wing on top. Ask your self why have wings became so popular.. Does a USAC show pay as well as a World of Outlaw show,
Does USAC get as many paying people in the stands at a premium price, Does USAC have as many drivers with big time name recognition. If not why, and if this is the case what could USAC do to get back on top of it's game with race cars without wings. Did wings make the Outlaw's what they are today or was it something else, That is the big question.

Now back to Backit, It takes two different types of driving skills to be good at wings and non wings. It is pretty hard to switch back and forth between the two and that defines the driver almost like dirt and pavement. Very few people are masters of both.

I enjoy watching a true master work his trade in any form of racing. Wether it be Wing, Non-Wing, dirt or pavement. When they are good they make you think that hey I could do that. When they are bad you think to yourself W O W how can these guys do that I sure couldn't.

We lucked out again as Doug my son got older and wanted to experiment without wings we were hooked up with a group M M S A , run by Bill May. Bill had enough gumption to go in and sell non- wing mini sprint racing to some of the premier tracks around the mid-west. This was no easy task because we had sort of been type-cast as winged race car's and a lot of promoters really wanted wing shows.

After a couple of years of racing with and without wings I hope we have proven that we can put a good show on either way. I like racing without wings but if it comes down to the fact we need a wing to race well we will just put a wing on an "geterdone"!

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

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Originally Posted by apexonephoto:
Sorry to break it to you Hoosiers, outside of Indiana not many moderately hardcore race fans know what non-wing or USAC is. As unpopular as that statement is, it’s the truth. No offense but I really don’t see a whole lot of excitement in non-wing mini-sprints and TQ’s as full fledged sprints and midgets. Many of the regular contributors on this site are from outside of Indiana. California is a really sad state of affairs in all forms of racing. If you need state ID to register on this site, you can delete my account right now.

Even winged racing is even very segmented by surface, series and motor size. I like non wing as well, but look at the accomplishments of Tony Stewart. To only include his USAC career, tells me you are missing out on a whole lot of relevant excitement.

We get that you love non wing, but outside of ARDC and the Eastern Storm, there really isn’t much to see in PA is there? We pay $5.22 a gallon for gas where I live, if I limited my racing to non wing and a reasonable distance from home I would see one race a year, let’s hope it doesn’t get rained out. Aren’t you all about “freedom”. :deadhorse:

Did I mention with wings on our lap times were about a second faster than the 410 non winged sprints cars at the old Lawrenceburg track and this holds true for almost any track smaller than 1/3 of a mile.

Last year I went to the Joe James Pat O Conner memoral race at The big Salem high Banks. U S A C was not represented there but they did have winged sprints to put on the show. These guys drove that track like I have never seen it drove before. Some of the things they did would get a non winged driver killed. These guys would drop of the bank going into turn one hit the apex at the bottom and drive right back to the top coming out of two. Driver's have tried that in the past without wings and flew right over the back straight fence and into the tree tops. These guys put on one hell of a show. They kind of made the wingless guys who normally run this track in single file look bad. Maybe this old track was made for wings. If they would only get some east coast big block winged modified cars down there. That would be a race.

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

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Some of us poor geographically challenged folks have little choice as winged racing is was we've got. I’m not a WoO fan and don’t go to those show, but I will say I’ve seen some really good winged sprint shows here in central PA every year. The regular programs with no time trials, which use the handicap system, promote a LOT of passing. You start the fast cars mid pack every week and you’ll rarely see a follow the leader race here. With that said, one series that I do go out of my way to see is the Super Sportsman and they are winged cars although not sprints they do look a lot like them and they put on some fantastic racing!
Wingless is my first choice and I’ll be back out in Indiana again this summer, with a smile on my face from ear to ear!

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I think there are plenty of websites for wings. Most people know this is mainly a sprintcar (no wings) website. Some wing guys have gotten on here and try to stir up a little controversy. Wings are fast, but an icon for that might be good.

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i love racing as the sport over all else... Would I rather watch a non wing show... Yes, but they dont run ANY non wing stuff down here, hell im lucky if they even know what a sprint car is, with or without the wing... i have to drive over 3 and a half hours to get anywhere to see anything open wheel...

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A long time ago my dad used to take me to the sprint car races and they were non winged . Then started going myself and saw the outlaws and thought WOW these guys are FAST and would go to any winged show within a 5 hour drive (eldora) But then noticed as wings got better was seeing less passing and I kinda got less interested in wings went back to non winged and saw 2 3 4 wide racing again and thats where I:m at now The non wing guys may be just a tick slower but its a better show with wheelies slide jobs and sise by side racing just my opinion

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I love sprint car racing.

Doesn't matter to me if it's got a wing, or without a wing. The difference between me and a lot of people that bash wings is the dream of racing whatever type of sprint car available. Winged or not, doesn't matter to me. 305 or 410? Either way works for me. I'm a fan of sprint car racing in general, and it doesn't matter what it is. To bash something is really stupid, could it be better? Absolutely, but to bash it is downright stupid. I grew up watching Brett Mann race his butt off around I-96, Ken Mackey at Butler, and I traveled with the GLOSS series, and SOD when I could, and loved every minute of it.

I saw my first non-wing race back in 2002 at Gas City, it was great. But it was great because it was a sprint car race. To love one, and hate the other... that's just stupid.

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Is it just me or is this one of the top, most ignorant posts ever presented on this forum?

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Originally Posted by SPRINTCAR:
I think there are plenty of websites for wings. Most people know this is mainly a sprintcar (no wings) website. Some wing guys have gotten on here and try to stir up a little controversy. Wings are fast, but an icon for that might be good.

We Mini Sprint/1000cc Midget racers kinda of like Indiana open wheel also. There are a lot of us out there and growing every year. And this is a great place to get the old heart rate up also.

Keep it up "Backitin" I may come across kinda of strong sometimes but that is just my way of doing things. I like your idea for the icon at the bottom of the post that a person could click on "I would respectifully like to disagree".

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

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Originally Posted by Rpracing1:
Is it just me or is this one of the top, most ignorant posts ever presented on this forum?

If you're refering to the "thread", I'd say it has "rank"! Bob!:)

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Originally Posted by TQ29m:
If you're refering to the "thread", I'd say it has "rank"! Bob!:)

Sure has generated a lot of response. That is a good thing.

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

I respetifully disagree.

Honest Dad himself:6:

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Do you have the right? I guess. If somebody posts about wings, you don’t like wings, ignore it. Seems simple to me.

Originally Posted by SPRINTCAR:
I think there are plenty of websites for wings. Most people know this is mainly a sprintcar (no wings) website. Some wing guys have gotten on here and try to stir up a little controversy. Wings are fast, but an icon for that might be good.

So your saying that non-wing guys don't stir up controversy. Your kidding...right. Most of the controversy is stirred up by non-wingers. I guess they hate it because WOO fills the grandstands. Walls Racing is a big instigator but one of the main ones.

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To bash, or not to bash; that is the question.

Yes. You have the right to bash winged cars. Just as someone has the right to bash non-wing. Simple enough.

But, why bash? Why not just comment and exchange ideas; enjoying the styles of racing that we appreciate. It takes different driving techniques to master either style of racing, and only the truly great can master both -- the same as dirt and pavement.

I like a good sprint car show, whether it is winged or non winged, paved or dirt, a 328, 360 or a 410. It can come on a big half mile, quarter mile bull ring, or anything in between.

But, more importantly, I like a good race regardless of what is running. There have been nights I covered a sprint car race and come home talking about the bomber feature.

I get sick of the snobbish attitude of some people who want to belittle those in other forms of racing. Just enjoy what you do, and leave the others alone to enjoy what they do.

Pretty simple.

Out here in Iowa, I only get to see non-winged cars a couple of times a year. Other than Knoxville and Burlington, my options for sprint car racing on a weekly basis are pretty limited. Both are a two-hour drive from the office. In my three years out here, I have come to more greatly appreciate the many talents of those driving dirt modifieds, late models, street stocks and even sport compacts.

I'd love to see a sprint/modified pairing in which the best dirt modified drivers from Iowa and the best sprint car drivers from Indiana race one night in sprint cars and the next in modifieds. Just stop and think about how some of those modified drivers have done in recent years at the Chili Bowl.

It'd be a helluva show.

Jim Morrison
Editor
Hawkeye Racing News

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Personally im waiting for some Indiana track to do a NW ASCS head 360 class. Only way we're ever gonna see counts rise again.

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Originally Posted by backitin:
Do we have the right to bash wings on this site ?

Your request has received due consideration, and must be denied, as someone else has already "beat" you to it.

By the way, Ron Howard's Twitter page is awesome, and yeah, I like F1, so there's that.


https://twitter.com/#!/RealRonHoward

The photos and what not are about to get good, as they are doing the on track race scenes soon - good time to start following :6:

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I was raised on AAA/USAC racing. Since 1955. That's what I like - no wings. That's just me. If you like wings, then go for it. I've been to a few winged races - WoO, All-Stars, USAC. It's just not my favorite. But hey, all racing is good. If they had non-winged and winged races at the same time across the street from each other, I'll go to the non wing race every time.

All racing is good fun. It beats any stick and ball sport every time.

Bashing is not necessary.

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Originally Posted by Wingman:
So your saying that non-wing guys don't stir up controversy. Your kidding...right. Most of the controversy is stirred up by non-wingers. I guess they hate it because WOO fills the grandstands. Walls Racing is a big instigator but one of the main ones.

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Are you bashing? Look at the sprintcars at the top of the home page.:6::14::deadhorse::44::39:
Smile everyone it's sprint time, oh spring time! ;)

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Originally Posted by backitin:
To bash wings on this site ? I double checked the sites home page and it does say nonwing, right there in big letters. Seems like that should make it ok to take polite shots on the worse thing to ever happen to a sprintcar. :27: :8: :22:

Just stirrin things up a little. I've said lots a times I admire all racers, just maybe not what they choose to race. At least you guys still have a great choice of races to attend. If you dont like big block mods your out of luck around here. I do however thing you guys that cant take a little ribbin about wings sucking on a nonwinged site need to chill a little. A winged car and a sprintcar are two completely different animals.
on a more serious note, I still have a 5x5 wing with mounts, free to anyone who wants it. Its a shame it sitting outside if someone could use it. Im in N.E. PA. Dont look good for racing here tonight, its snowing hard and the ground is white. yuck.