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Can YOU give me 5 reasons you prefer non-wing over wing sprinters?:44:

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Passing #1, Wheelies #2, the Race Tracks #3, History #4 (a sprint car is non-wing, add the napkin holder up top and it becomes a Wing sprint car), and #5 PASSING!

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1) It takes a bigger set of 'em to drive 100 mph straight at a wall and turn the race car, without having something added to that car to hold it down to the ground.

2)Not having a wing also helps find out just who exactly is the best at steering a race car on that track, on that night. Wing racing is a lot like pavement racing and I prefer dirt, by far. In other words, like the other guy said, more passing.

3)As a general rule, the fan base is a little more educated, down to earth and friendly.

4)I love the sound of the driver lifting as he reaches the turn and gassing it up before exiting. Especially qualifying at the Action Track. The sound of sprinters going from a full throated roar, to quiet, back to loud again is a sound that I've been hearing for so long that every time I hear it again it sends me spinning back through time. The winged car is just on the gas for too long. It's not the same.

5)That I just happen to live right smack dab in the middle of non-wing sprint Universe.

Jerry

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1. Passing and side by side racing!
2. Passing and side by side racing!
3. Passing and side by side racing!
4 Passing and side by side racing!
5. Passing and side by side racing!
6 The faster you go, The more out of control and less stable the car is. VS WINGED's Faster the more downforce and more stable.
7. While some tracks are dusty. I've never gotten the waves of dirt that I ate at some Wing Shows.
8. Still pull the left front and wheelie once in awhile.
9. Their faster down the straights and sideways in the corners!
10. SIDE BY SIDE RACING AND MORE PASSING!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...v=TtyDLnBcDVs#

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1. Side by side racing
2. Passing
3. The look of the cars
4. Cars completely crossed up sliding through the turns
5. Being able to see the drivers working the steering wheel

BONUS****
6.Less NASCAR fans attending the race. (no need to tell people to sit down during the race)

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1. The cars are more sideways in the turns.
2. Sprint cars are beautiful, don't hide them with wings.
3. A great driver can take a not-so-great car and hustle it, elbows up!
4. It usually lends itself to two groove racing, always a plus.
5. A connection to my past. Going to races with Dad, creating lifelong memories.

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I will preface this post by saying that I enjoy all types of racing including both traditional sprints and winged sprints. Here are my five reason that I prefer traditional sprints on dirt.

1)I enjoy seeing the driver in the equation. Traditional sprint cars require more driving:31: than winged. Nothing more enjoyable than seeing a sprint driver drive it hard down the straight away and then throw it into the corner, cutting rooster tails. Sitting in the grandstands watching the driver work his magic. Priceless!

2)Traditional sprint races involve more of an invert than most winged sprint car races (Knoxville Nationals excluded). I want to see the big dogs work for the opportunity to advance to the feature and then do it all over again. More follow the leader in winged racing.

3)Living in Indiana we only have three winged dirt sprint car races this year I believe. WOO at Lawrenceburg, Kokomo and Tri State. We have more than that on an average Saturday night in state for traditional sprinters.

4)Ticket prices are still very economical for the traditional sprint car races. Some of the winged shows are higher priced and for many fans not an option to attend.

5)It is almost any spring, summer or fall Friday/Saturday night in Indiana and I have a decision to make. Which track do I want to attend to see traditional sprint cars race. So many times, not a very easy choice.:) Most of the time though, always an enjoyable experience.:8:

Here is hoping that everyone can experience the fun and excitement of open wheel racing. May 2012 be the best season ever and you get the most of your entertainment dollar. Hope to see you at the races.

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The only reason you need is side by side racing and passing but if you must have five then here you go

1. side by side racing and passing
2. you actually have to drive the car, instead of just stand on the gas and go
3.I live in the middle of sprint car country and can see a non-wing race 3 times a week, some times more
4. You get to see the drivers compete every week and can see them drive the car
5. Alot cheaper to watch, every wing show is a special event show, with outragous pricing. (IE: Outlaws = $30 tickets) I can get me and the wife into the track for that

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1) Josh Spencer
2) Dave Darland
3) Tony Elliott
4) Jon Stanbrough
5) Shane Cottle
6) Jerry Coons jr.
7) Kevin Thomas ( The professor)
8) J.J. Yeley
9) Tony Jarrett
10) Gary Fisher
11) Tony Plough
12) Bobby Kinser
14) Cory Kruesman
15)Casey Shuman
16) Ron Shuman
17) Steve Butler
18) Jack Hewitt
19) Rich Vogler
20) Robbie Stanley

I know you ask for five reason but I could not help myself, I could go on and on about non wing racing just as I could give just as many reason I liked wing racing at one time.

Jerry #66j

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Dirt:
1. More passing
2. More Cars- Have to race to make feature
3. Can see what the driver is doing
4. Money vs speed- Seems like in the wing cars there is a huge differance in speed from 1st to last or even 1st to 10th.
5. Don't need a 5th

Asphault: I'll take the wings over nonwings anyday (except the little 500)
1. MORE PASSING
2. MORE CARS
3. SPEED
4. Side By side racing, no follow the leader stuff!
5. The unknown

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As a fan...
1) SIDEWAYS, Dead nuts sideways, at the flagstand...

2) Sliders Sliders Sliders...a well executed slider is as beautiful as any performance art anywhere..

3) Wheelstands..if theres even one little spot with grip out there somebodys gonna be carrying the front wheels off it..

4) Multiple grooves...I have never seen a non wing race that didn't have at least a couple people moving successfully in an alternate groove, and typically there are 2-4 fast lines on the track for guys to work.

5) PASSING...most of the reasons above equate to lots of passing in a given race..Somebody always comes from the back to the top 3 or 5, the polesitter doesn't win as often..non wing shows typically have more of an invert built into the format, especially during the heats.


As a driver/owner...
1) COST!!! cheaper engines live much longer when they aren't tuned on full kill, drivelines don't see as much wear, shocks and bars don't get as much wear, the chassis doesn't get flexed out near as quickly, etc etc etc etc

2) Equipment...I don't have to buy a new chassis from 1 of 4 manufacturers every 3 months. I don't have to have 3 of the newest 900HP Ott motors to compete...I don't get caught up in the "Portwork of the month" club...If I have an engine with old hilborn injectors that pulls smoothly from 3000 to 7500 RPM without a stumble I have all the engine I need.

3) Convenience of transport/storage...I don't have to have a 12ft tall trailer for the car to fit, I can push the car into a standard 2 car garage without taking it apart first, I can throw er on an open trailer without feeling like im pulling a huge sailboat sail thru the air, the small amount of stagger makes pushing the car by myself easier, etc etc etc

4) SIDEWAYS, Dead nuts sideways, at the flagstand...Sliders Sliders Sliders....Wheelstands...All the above add up to a much more fun ride..A winged car well set up can get to be like driving down an interstate...straight on full throttle cruise control

5) Style of racing...I know that I am less likely to get beat just by a checkbook, I know my experience is more likely to make me faster than some 16 year old rookie with a big right foot...I know that if my car is close on set-up I can hustle it from the back to the front instead of having to play a 30 lap game of follow the leader..I know success comes more from the driver being perfect than the car being perfect...

There are literally hundreds of smaller reasons I prefer traditional sprintcar racing but the above reasons pretty much sum up why it's the best from of motorsport on earth.

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my avatar says it all...:6:

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These 5 reasons come strictly from a spectator perspective.

#1. In my world there is nothing more beautiful as seeing a good driver gas it up big time and back it in on a well prepared dirt track.

#2. A whole flock of good drivers in evenly matched non-wing sprinters backin' 'em in inches apart on a well prepared dirt track. I know the wingers race just as close but it appears, from the grandstands anyway, that the cars with the wings are somewhat more predictable than their non wing cousins.

#3. The simple aesthetic beauty of a sprint car without the rolling billboard bolted to the roll cage.

#4. The delicate throttle control that is very often needed to be fast in a non wing sprinter.

#5. The crowds that frequent non wing sprint shows are generally somewhat less inebriated and more engrossed in the actual racing than at winged shows. That may be an unfair conclusion on our part and our intent is not to offend the wing fans, but it seems that way to us. The good hardcore fans of most any genre of racing are almost never the loud obnoxious ones.

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I agree with alot of the reasoning except this one. and I know its just his opinion.


"QUOTE Jerry Shaw"
3)As a general rule, the fan base is a little more educated, down to earth and friendly.





I Dont believe for a second that just because some watch wing sprints compared to non wing sprints makes them less educated or less friendly.

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take the cages off and let`s see whos got the plums now!

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Right after you cut YOUR cage off, I'm sure there will be followers! Bob!:3:

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NAPKIN HOLDER lol I dam near spit my coffee out when saw that:5::5:

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Really! Have we not had this arguement enough. Is everybody just that bored that they need something to talk about. Everything stated on this thread that everybody is saying is a matter of opinion.

1. I like them both
2. I like them both
3. I like them both
4. I like them both
5. I like them both

I will see you at the Burg on the 14 for the USAC show and May 28th for the WOO show.

By the way Dave Thanks for bringing the Outlaws back.

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Many people over the years ask me what is the differnce between wing sprint car and a non wing. First of all I tell them a sprint car is one without a wing and the other one is referred as a WANG car.


Then I tell them the differnce in races is that if you go to 10 Sprint car races you are going to see 8 good races. If you go to 10 wang car races you MIGHT see 2 good races.:22:

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Can anyone tell me why a winged driver can adapt to a non-wing car quicker than a non-wing driver to a winged car? :44:

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If you take Eldora out of the equation, it's not really a true statement. I go to a ton of races and all the big races around this state and you just don't see winged racers coming in and leaving with the big check.

Jerry

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A couple of wing drivers in recent years have taken off the crutch and been successful. Haud, Smith jr, Kerr, and D Smith come to me off the top of my head.
The success that they had was at fast half mile tracks where momentum is huge. Watch a wing, (or wang per eldora mark), at the big tracks and if a driver makes one small mistake, i.e. getting too sideways into a corner, and they have lost a 1/4 to 1/2 a lap. They are able to be competitive at the big tracks due to straighter driving styles and keeping momentum up.
Cant think of any wing racers that have spanked the boys on a 1/4 mile bullring.

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I remember Frankie putting on a hell of show at Whitewater Speedway back in the USAC/CRA tour. PA boys have done ok w/o a wing.

Either way, as long as it is a sprintcar on dirt, I am happy.

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Sadly, our divisions have become too divided/specialized. Loved when both would cross over.

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I don't know for a fact but from drivers I've talked to, The wing teaches you to be smoother, Any scrubbing of speed hurts a winged race car. I've also been told that in some cases everything happens a little faster and you learn how to read and react to certain situations.

I don't hate winged racing but the track has a ton to do with how good the racing is. Used to see plenty of side by side at the old burg and bloomington. However Lately it seems more of a Top dollar most experience deal. Even the King was running for fifth most of the time a couple years ago and that was before he announced he needed back surgery.

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They used to quite often when Winged was common around here. Briscoe, Kerr, Randy Kinser, Amati, Huntley, Butler, Stanley, Gordon were all one and off with the All Stars and and could spank USAC a few times a year. Some won championships in both.

While I'd much rather watch NW on a regular Basis, I endorse those who could afford too, To STRAP IT ON a few times.

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A couple of wing drivers in recent years have taken off the crutch and been successful. Haud, Smith jr, Kerr, and D Smith come to me off the top of my head.

Danny Smith got his start with non wings back when the Indiana tracks all ran w/o a wing...He was the Lawrenceburg track champion in 1976 (think that was the year) at the ripe old age of 16.

Tim Wolffrum aka Cowboy

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As a photographer:

1. Depending on the track orientation and time of the day, the wing always creates a shadow on the driver, if you can even see them. This doesn’t happen with a non-wing car.
2. Much more flex, way better “poses” on a non wing car.
3. Much more passing, pole car wins a lot of races.
4. They “take up” less room on the track, allowing for more side by side racing.

Reasons why you need them:
1. Faster
2. Casual fans have an easier time identifying them, potentially leading them to a non wing race at some point
3. Way more square footage for sponsor decals
4. National coverage, even though this is Indiana Open Wheel, not all of us live in Indiana…
5. Crossover appeal of multi discipline racers ala Jesse Hockett, Kyle Larson…

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Interesting. It had been awhile since I caught a non wing show and in the last couple of years, have seen them at Eldora and was struck on how hard it is to see the driver now. The arm guard panels on both sides of the car have made it so all that you see are the drivers heads, at least from the pits.

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Yeah Jerry I was gonna do the same thing lol:6::D

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Honestly I could go on indefinitely... :22:

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Now that right there are 5 VERY good reasons!!!!!

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As I said there are countless more, those just happen to be my top 5...

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Most of the wing guys mentioned that adapted well had already started out without wings and then came back. Plus, 7 or 8 years ago and before, the wing cars all had better engines in them because they need more HP, so it was a little easier for them to come in and run good on half miles. Steve Butler, Jack Hewitt, Kevin Swindell, Brad Sweet, and Bill Rose to name a few seem to have been able to adapt pretty well. Actually, Steve Kinser, Sammy Swindell, Doug Wolfgang, Jac Haudenschild, and many other "wing guys" all started out without wings and obviously adapted just fine.