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Just heard there are going to stop the production of the volt. They also said the avg income of the person that had bought the car was over $175,000 a year.... Hmm who would have thunk it?:deadhorse:

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Dang....I thought this thread was going to be a link to some more video of the electric midget that Shuman hotlapped at Bubba Park....hahahahaha

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The first thing I thought about when I saw that electric midget in the pits and when they brought it out on the track was how I lost complete interest in Unlimited Hydroplane power boat racing when the turbines replaced the old aircraft engines. It just wasn't the same watching them speed by with a quiet whoosh and the ground not shaking. They called them thunder boats for a reason.

I happen to believe the Indy 500 would have died if they had not outlawed the turbines. The noise is as much a part of experiencing racing as is the beauty of watching cars slide through the corners and power down the straightaway!

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Originally Posted by racer-x:
Just heard there are going to stop the production of the volt. They also said the avg income of the person that had bought the car was over $175,000 a year.... Hmm who would have thunk it?:deadhorse:

As someone who makes his living from the automotive industry, I would like to correct your statement. GM is halting production on the Volt for five weeks. GM is not stopping production of the Volt. The Volt is one of the key products in the GM portfolio, and there is a lot of investment in this product.

The controversy surrounding the battery safety definitely had an impact on the sales. However, GM is hopeful that as more time goes by that the Volt will have a strong comeback. I think that many people have a wait and see attitude on the Volt.

While times of inventory adjustments (temporary production halts) are common, no one ever wants to see a manufacturing site shut down. Almost all products in the GM inventory have had an inventory adjustment at one time. Instead of ridicule, I would ask that you think about the workers at the Detroit Hamtramck site and also at the Brownstown Battery Plant.

http://www.freep.com/article/2012030...on-for-5-weeks

Originally Posted by Jonr:
As someone who makes his living from the automotive industry, I would like to correct your statement. GM is halting production on the Volt for five weeks. GM is not stopping production of the Volt. The Volt is one of the key products in the GM portfolio, and there is a lot of investment in this product.

The controversy surrounding the battery safety definitely had an impact on the sales. However, GM is hopeful that as more time goes by that the Volt will have a strong comeback. I think that many people have a wait and see attitude on the Volt.

While times of inventory adjustments (temporary production halts) are common, no one ever wants to see a manufacturing site shut down. Almost all products in the GM inventory have had an inventory adjustment at one time. Instead of ridicule, I would ask that you think about the workers at the Detroit Hamtramck site and also at the Brownstown Battery Plant.

http://www.freep.com/article/2012030...on-for-5-weeks

What is the msrp on the volt?

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Originally Posted by bfranks17:
What is the msrp on the volt?

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The coal fired (electricity) Chevy volt has a MSRP of $40,000 and then the govt subsidides it $7500 which i am thinking is taxpayer money.

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Originally Posted by Jonr:
As someone who makes his living from the automotive industry, I would like to correct your statement. GM is halting production on the Volt for five weeks. GM is not stopping production of the Volt. The Volt is one of the key products in the GM portfolio, and there is a lot of investment in this product.

The controversy surrounding the battery safety definitely had an impact on the sales. However, GM is hopeful that as more time goes by that the Volt will have a strong comeback. I think that many people have a wait and see attitude on the Volt.

While times of inventory adjustments (temporary production halts) are common, no one ever wants to see a manufacturing site shut down. Almost all products in the GM inventory have had an inventory adjustment at one time. Instead of ridicule, I would ask that you think about the workers at the Detroit Hamtramck site and also at the Brownstown Battery Plant.

http://www.freep.com/article/2012030...on-for-5-weeks

I read an article on the efficiency of the Volt vs. High Mileage (32mpg+) traditional vehicles. According to this study, the Volt will run an average of 25 to 30 miles on the battery before having to switch over to gasoline and subsequently needing a 10hr recharge.

The energy consumption cost for the Volt on a 4.5 hr trip was $.74 per mile while the 32mpg gasoline car's cost was $.10 per mile. The 10hr recharge costs the consumer roughly $18 per charge (included in the 74cents).

Obviously the article was much more detailed but, this was the gist of it. Also, in this article, they said msrp on the Volt was $46g...

Can anyone say "Solyndra" or "Evergreen Solar" or "Ener 1" ????
Over $539 billion of our tax $$$ have completely disappeared because of this cr@p!!!!

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Originally Posted by cecil98:
I read an article on the efficiency of the Volt vs. High Mileage (32mpg+) traditional vehicles. According to this study, the Volt will run an average of 25 to 30 miles on the battery before having to switch over to gasoline and subsequently needing a 10hr recharge.

The energy consumption cost for the Volt on a 4.5 hr trip was $.74 per mile while the 32mpg gasoline car's cost was $.10 per mile. The 10hr recharge costs the consumer roughly $18 per charge (included in the 74cents).

Obviously the article was much more detailed but, this was the gist of it. Also, in this article, they said msrp on the Volt was $46g...

Can anyone say "Solyndra" or "Evergreen Solar" or "Ener 1" ????
Over $539 billion of our tax $$$ have completely disappeared because of this cr@p!!!!

There were two main design principles of the Volt. The first principle is to be an efficient electric vehicle. Thus, if your daily commute is less than 25-30 miles, you will only be on the electric motor.

The second design principle was to have an extended range. Thus, if you are traveling more than 25-30 miles, you know that you will have the gas motor to rely on. You also know that you have the capability to stop at any gas station and get more fuel for the trip. With other electric vehicles, the range you can go and where you can recharge are major issues. With the Volt, you do not have this issue.

While I don't disagree with any of the math of the 4.5 hour trip, I would argue that the 4.5 hour trip shows the worst possible mileage scenario for the Volt. Just as the article of the person who used the Volt as her daily commuter on her ten minute commute to work and didn't buy any gas at the pump for several months would be the best case scenario. Lastly, the fact that the Volt made a 4.5 hour trip is a positive. There are no other electric vehicles that can make that trip.

Is the Volt the best choice of vehicle for everyone? No. If you are consistently making long trips in the vehicle, there are probably better vehicles for you. If you are looking for a daily commuter that can give you outstanding gas mileage, this could be the vehicle for you. The idea of buying gas every couple of months is outstanding.

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Originally Posted by cecil98:
I read an article on the efficiency of the Volt vs. High Mileage (32mpg+) traditional vehicles. According to this study, the Volt will run an average of 25 to 30 miles on the battery before having to switch over to gasoline and subsequently needing a 10hr recharge.

The energy consumption cost for the Volt on a 4.5 hr trip was $.74 per mile while the 32mpg gasoline car's cost was $.10 per mile. The 10hr recharge costs the consumer roughly $18 per charge (included in the 74cents).

Obviously the article was much more detailed but, this was the gist of it. Also, in this article, they said msrp on the Volt was $46g...

Can anyone say "Solyndra" or "Evergreen Solar" or "Ener 1" ????
Over $539 billion of our tax $$$ have completely disappeared because of this cr@p!!!!

Thats weird i havnt heard Diane Sawyer,Charlie Gibson,Brian Ross,or Brian Williams tell the people that story about the JOLT..:29:You dont think? Naaaaaa im not going to say it!!!
GAS has never in our days been this much at this time of year. Were the heck is the the media or the people that really care about this great country. :15: ok half the country can go back to sleep!

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Originally Posted by racer-x:
Thats weird i havnt heard Diane Sawyer,Charlie Gibson,Brian Ross,or Brian Williams tell the people that story about the JOLT..:29:You dont think? Naaaaaa im not going to say it!!!
GAS has never in our days been this much at this time of year. Were the heck is the the media or the people that really care about this great country. :15: ok half the country can go back to sleep!

Agreed! When gas prices went up under "Preznit W" the media and the Donkeys were screaming bloody murder and calling for investigations and hearings.....Now that the "Commies" are firmly in control, the "media" is nowhere to be found on this issue...hmmmmm?

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Originally Posted by cecil98:
Agreed! When gas prices went up under "Preznit W" the media and the Donkeys were screaming bloody murder and calling for investigations and hearings.....Now that the "Commies" are firmly in control, the "media" is nowhere to be found on this issue...hmmmmm?

If you are looking for media coverage on gas prices look here - http://abcnews.go.com/search?searcht...oline%20prices

This might keep you busy for awhile.

Watch the evening news once in a while. They have gas price stories on there at least once or twice a week.

And watch the Fox News and Fox Business Networks.

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Hypocracy at it's finest.

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Originally Posted by Seadog:
If you are looking for media coverage on gas prices look here - http://abcnews.go.com/search?searcht...oline%20prices

This might keep you busy for awhile.

Watch the evening news once in a while. They have gas price stories on there at least once or twice a week.

I watch or listen to the news almost 24/7 in someway. If you are trusting CBS NBC or any other mainstram news media, you might want to turn the channel if you want the facts not a agenda..:14:

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Absolutely amazing that we have a thread on "Indiana Open Wheel" about the Volt. Who cares?

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Originally Posted by Rpracing1:
Absolutely amazing that we have a thread on "Indiana Open Wheel" about the Volt. Who cares?

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It goes hand in hand with gas prices.:14: With gas prices higher today then they have ever been (at this time of year) its insane every American doesnt care!!!

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Originally Posted by racer-x:
I watch or listen to the news almost 24/7 in someway. If you are trusting CBS NBC or any other mainstram news media, you might want to turn the channel if you want the facts not a agenda..:14:

I'm with you on this, the media (CNN,Fox, CBS, NBC, etc:) are all owned by big corporations who have a say in what and who (Presidential Campaign) they talk about in a good way. Fuel! It use to go up because of a hurricane or something else. Must be a big storm!

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Man I sure am glad that Henry Ford got it perfect the first time so that we could all be driving model T's for the last hundred years. And those wright bothers, wow. I really enjoyed my last open-air flight across the pacific in that wright brothers airplane...

...The Volt is not the last electric vehicle to ever be built, its one of the first. It is a step along the path, not the final destination. EV's may never become widely accepted, or they may be the only thing we drive in ten years, but the only way to find out is to head down the path and see where it leads.

It's OK to sit on the sidelines and complain about everything (many people on this board have made this into an art form), but please make sure that you get the hell out of the way when the people actually trying to do something positive come through.

I'm not an EV fan - I'm a CNG guy. But I applaud the effort at GM on the Volt. It blows my mind that the same guys that complain about the oil situation on this planet also complain about EV, CNG, or any other technology that might make a positive impact.

Whiners whine - doers do...:32:

Did the tax payers subsidies Henry Ford?

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Some of us out there were born with a alarm clock in us that goes off when things arnt right. I dont tell stuff like this to get people down,its more to inform them of what they have no idea is happening to them. It has more to do with right or wrong then right or left. If you dont mind $4,$5 or maybe more $$$ per gallon for gas then go back to sleep.:29: Gas has doubled in just 3 years if the sheep dont say anything then i guess they dont mind it.

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Intill theres better battery technology or a real viable alternative to gasoline electric cars will always be a side show. This country is run by two, well three factions : Lawyers, medical and especially big oil. Its a joke, pricing off of speculation, its a license to steal. If we didnt ship our energy overseas we wouldnt need to rely on the middle east.They're taking trillions of cubic feet a gas, the most ever anywhere, from pretty much right under my feet. Doesnt do me or you any good, almost all of it gets shipped overseas.

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Originally Posted by Jonr:
There were two main design principles of the Volt. The first principle is to be an efficient electric vehicle. Thus, if your daily commute is less than 25-30 miles, you will only be on the electric motor.

The second design principle was to have an extended range. Thus, if you are traveling more than 25-30 miles, you know that you will have the gas motor to rely on. You also know that you have the capability to stop at any gas station and get more fuel for the trip. With other electric vehicles, the range you can go and where you can recharge are major issues. With the Volt, you do not have this issue.

While I don't disagree with any of the math of the 4.5 hour trip, I would argue that the 4.5 hour trip shows the worst possible mileage scenario for the Volt. Just as the article of the person who used the Volt as her daily commuter on her ten minute commute to work and didn't buy any gas at the pump for several months would be the best case scenario. Lastly, the fact that the Volt made a 4.5 hour trip is a positive. There are no other electric vehicles that can make that trip.

Is the Volt the best choice of vehicle for everyone? No. If you are consistently making long trips in the vehicle, there are probably better vehicles for you. If you are looking for a daily commuter that can give you outstanding gas mileage, this could be the vehicle for you. The idea of buying gas every couple of months is outstanding.

So.....basically you're saying that Gov't Motors expects the average Joe to spend $46grand for a car that will get you to the Kroger Store and back before it needs an $18.00, 10 hour "coaled fired" recharge?
WOW!

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Originally Posted by cecil98:
So.....basically you're saying that Gov't Motors expects the average Joe to spend $46grand for a car that will get you to the Kroger Store and back before it needs an $18.00, 10 hour "coaled fired" recharge?
WOW!

I wasn't going to get in this, cause I don't, as so many other's, have a dog in this fight, but I was on this planet, at the end of the last Century, when there were still a small number of the early, "electrics" on the roads, and from what I see, of some of the new attempts, they haven't come any further, than they were, 70 or so years ago, they've "restyled" the old "phone booth", but you still only drive, about as far as you could then, 30-40 miles was possible back then, and it didn't cost hardly anything to recharge, we seem to think that coal, and oil, and some other things are "history", and Green is in, well, I for one, want to see a 747 take off here, and land in Florida, on one "charge", whether or not you want to admit it, coal and oil will be what get's us out of the mess we're in right now, not anything else. JMHO! Bob!:)

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For the record.... YES the government did subsidize Henry Ford. Many times, and in many ways. Have you ever read anything about what Ford did for this country (with a lot of help from the government) during WWII? That effort gave us critical manufacturing for the war effort, but it also kept the auto industry afloat during a time when nobody was buying cars. Many countries do not have this kind of cooperation between govenment and industry. Somalia and Zimbabwe come to mind - are you saying we should follow their lead?

Look I'm as fiscally conservative as most, but this new idea that the government plays (or should play) no role in the development of National infrastructure is goofy. How the heck do you think our highways, bridges and dams get built? How do you think we got to the moon? Don't you agree that developing new transportation and energy technologies is equally important? Can't you see that this opportunity represents our next/best chance at a new manufacturing cycle here in America?

Oil is global - nobody is going to change that anytime soon. So when Gingrich tells you he can give us $2.50 gas, he's telling you what he knows you want to hear. Anybody who actually knows anything about the oil bidness will tell you he's nuts. Going forward, we need efficient EV vehicles. And CNG. And fuel efficient petroleum vehicles. And more solar. And every other darn thing we can do, so that what oil we do have can be put to best use. Its really not a bad scenario - more U.S. energy production, more U.S. alt-fuels manufacturing, more energy efficient U.S. made vehicles = more U.S. jobs and a better economy.

Or, we could just go back to kissing the oil companies butts, put carburetors back on taxi cabs, and KEEP ON WHININ' Some of you guys need to cheer up a little.
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There is more oil here and in Alaska then there is in all of the middle east.Its just the tree huggers and the spotted owl loons have made it off limits to drill. Go look at the unemployment rate in North Dakota,its only about 2% because of all the oil work.There economy is so good the "ladies of the night" are fleeing Vegas and going there.:8: Go listen to Newts plan on energy verses the speech that current guy said a few days ago about converting "pond scum" into energy and tell me who you think has a plan:17:.. I am all for natural gas and hydrogen in cars as it is a cheap replacement to oil.:6:
Some of the problem us that understand the volt is you have to plug it in and then your energy comes from a so called "dirty" coal plant..They are shutting 2 of these coal plants down in Illinois next year! What do you think that will do to your energy bill??????:17:
Im not sad either,its just not so easy to find the truth if you only hear a little bit of it a day!;)
Thanks Bill for letting us vent a little on this as the price of gas and the car industry is very important to open wheel racing!!

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Originally Posted by cecil98:
So.....basically you're saying that Gov't Motors expects the average Joe to spend $46grand for a car that will get you to the Kroger Store and back before it needs an $18.00, 10 hour "coaled fired" recharge?
WOW!

How about $1.50 a day.

How much does Volt cost to charge?

Electricity is an extremely affordable transportation fuel. With a fully charged battery, most people can commute gas– and tailpipe emissions–free for about $1.50 per day. That's about the same annual cost as running a common household appliance. To save even more, some utility companies offer lower electricity rates for vehicles charging during off–peak periods, such as night. (1) EPA-estimated 35 miles initial range based on 94 MPGe (electric); actual range varies with conditions.

http://www.chevrolet.com/volt-electric-car/ in the FAQ section.

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Originally Posted by Jonr:
How about $1.50 a day.

How much does Volt cost to charge?

Electricity is an extremely affordable transportation fuel. With a fully charged battery, most people can commute gas– and tailpipe emissions–free for about $1.50 per day. That's about the same annual cost as running a common household appliance. To save even more, some utility companies offer lower electricity rates for vehicles charging during off–peak periods, such as night. (1) EPA-estimated 35 miles initial range based on 94 MPGe (electric); actual range varies with conditions.

http://www.chevrolet.com/volt-electric-car/ in the FAQ section.

The article I read said between $17-$18......that doesn't mean that the authors of the article couldn't be mistaken....

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I'm 100% 'drill baby drill', not because it will have any meaningful effect on price at the pump but because it does create lots of good paying jobs right here in America - the kind of jobs a guy can afford a race car on!

Petroleum industry statistics have repeadedly stated that even if we could extract all the oil we have (which is indeed a lot), and then, somehow, refine it (we don't have anywhere near that refining capacity btw), the effect at the pump would be, at best, $0.03 per gallon. You have to understand, the oil we drill for here goes onto the GLOBAL market - it only stays here if we are willing to pay the highest price for it. Otherwise it gets sold to China, or Europe or whoever pays the highest price.

I didn't make the rules, I don't particularly like the rules, but i understand the dang rules!. Politicians that tell you they can control the price of gasoline ARE LYING TO YOU.

Now if we could only get politicians talking about changing the rules on American natural gas before all of it gets sold to China, we might be getting somewhere....

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Your being set up people!! Most of it is the journalism of the mainstream news and the coverup that has been going on.. Want the facts? Watch the Shaun Hannity show tonight,maybe you will change your mind..

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Here's a link, to a co in Indiana, that rebuilds wrecked Prius electrics, I have a friend who works there, www.autobeyours.com, an interesting inside to the electric question. Bob!:)

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Sorry, make that www.autobeyours.com, Bob

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about 100 years ago Henery Ford came along and invented a cheap automobile. People bought into them because they were better than the horse powered vehicles they had been using for the past 10,000 years or so. Today there is an estimated 240,000,000 vehicles in use in the United States alone. I can't imagine the polution that would be made by 240 million horses moving us around --Methane fertilizer CO2 etc. The point is, it will be a bright person with the right idea that will get us out of our mess and not some government know it all. If we really need it somebody will invent it !!

We do all owe Al Gore a thanks for inventing the internet, without him we wouldn't be sitting here acting like a bunch of female dogs and talking about high gas prices and "Volts". I guess now Government Motors has their own "Edsel"

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

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The secretary of energy Steve Chew was asked today if he owns a Volt, after pointing the blame on everyone else on hi gas prices. He replied by saying he doesnt own a car?:14:

With a reply like that you sure would think more people would be more concerned on were the price of gas is going to go!:10:

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Originally Posted by cecil98:
The article I read said between $17-$18......that doesn't mean that the authors of the article couldn't be mistaken....

I wonder if you were to plug 200,000,000 cars all in at 7PM in the evening would the power lines all glow red hot, would my A/C quit?? Are the electric companys ready for this? Did we even plan for electric cars? Do we need to convert over to 240 volts or maybe 3 Phase for home use?

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

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Originally Posted by DAD:
I wonder if you were to plug 200,000,000 cars all in at 7PM in the evening would the power lines all glow red hot, would my A/C quit?? Are the electric companys ready for this? Did we even plan for electric cars? Do we need to convert over to 240 volts or maybe 3 Phase for home use?

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

They reported last week that they are closing 2 coal fired energy plants in Illinois by the end of the year. You dont think that might rais your evergy bill will ya! The country wasnt really liking this GREEN stuff so they will just force this scan on to the taxpayers.

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Originally Posted by racer-x:
They reported last week that they are closing 2 coal fired energy plants in Illinois by the end of the year. You dont think that might rais your evergy bill will ya! The country wasnt really liking this GREEN stuff so they will just force this scan on to the taxpayers.

I got by somehow without the EPA for the first thirty years of my life. We gave it an inch and it took a mile. I Wish they would put a few of those regs up to a popular vote but they realize we are too dumb to make such an informed decishion about or life. I sure am glad those nice fokes up in Washington DC are watching out for us poor dumb folk in the flyover states.

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

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[QUOTE=........Can't you see that this opportunity represents our next/best chance at a new manufacturing cycle here in America?.....[/QUOTE]

http://dailycaller.com/2011/10/14/11...#ixzz1p66elio2