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AMSA:

April 21--Twin City

May 12--Twin City
May 19--Montpelier
May 20--Kokomo

June 2--Charlestown
June 9--Twin City
June 15--Moler
June 16--Waynesfield

July 7--Charlestown
July 13--U.S. 24-1200cc Lightning Mini Sprint Clash (non-wing & non-point race)
July 14--U.S. 24--2nd day of the Lightning Mini Sprint Clash (non-wing & non-point race)
July 21--Waynesfield
July 28--Lawrenceburg

August 18--Charlestown
August 31--Moler

September 1--Lawrenceburg
September 2--Twin City
September 22--Montpelier

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MMSA:

April

Sat. April 14 Twin Cities

Sat. April 28 Brownstown, IN

May

Sat. May 12 Waynesfield, Oh

Fri. May 18 Bloomington, IN support for USAC

Sat. May 19 Brownstown

Fri. May 25 Thunder Valley Salem, IN

Sat. May 26 Twin Cities



June

Sat. June 2 Brownstown

Sat. June 16 Brownstown

Sat. June 23 Montpelier, IN

Sun. June 24 Kokomo, IN

Sat. June 30 Twin Cities



July

Sat. July 7 Brownstown

Mon. July 9 TBA (Bartholomew Co. Fair) non wing

Sat. July 14 Brownstown

Fri. July 20 Bloomington support for USAC

Sat. July 21 Twin Cities

Thur. July 26 Brownstown non wing

Fri. July 27 TBA

Sat. July 28 TBA

August

Fri. Aug. 3 TBA

Sat. Aug. 11 Eldora ( tentative )

Sat Aug. 18 Brownstown

Sat. Aug. 25 Waynesfield, Oh.

September

Sat. Sept. 1 Twin Cities

Sat. Sept. 15 Brownstown

Sat. Sept. 29 Brownstown

October

Fri. & Sat. Oct. 12-13 FUN FEST Brownstown 13th non wing

Fri., Sat. & Sun. Oct. 26,27,28 Eldora (tentative)

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thoughts????

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WOW!

What happened to all of the A.M.S.A. races at Lawrenceburg?

I like the MMSA schedule myself, but then I am close to Brownstown and Twin Cities. Lol

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Looks like Indiana is the place to be for lightning sprint racing this year.

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Observations:

Zero races at Twin Cities last year......9 total this year.

Pure Stocks and Hornets seem to have taken over L-Burg and pushed out the Mini-Sprints.

You can pretty much race at Waynesfield every weekend.

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we will come up for this 2 races and bring 2 cars from Florida

ALSA:
July 13--U.S. 24-1200cc Lightning Mini Sprint Clash (non-wing & non-point race)
July 14--U.S. 24--2nd day of the Lightning Mini Sprint Clash (non-wing & non-point race)

and stay if these 3 are non wing

MMSA:
Thur. July 26 Brownstown non wing
Fri. July 27 TBA
Sat. July 28 TBA

Phil looking at both of those schedules together hurts my brain, could you make a master schedule in chronological order.. Lol

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I'll get right on that! Maybe as soon as I have a few extra hours/days. Should have that done for you mid February!

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Sounds like there were supposed to be a couple of other races at L-Burg but the dates were in conflict with other AMSA races.

I bet with these two schedules we will see alot of mixing of series and high car counts. With the exception of conflicting dates, rumor has it there is still a open Bloomington date in the works for a non wing race. Which I feel would be sweet race!

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We'll be racing a lot with the MMSA this year. We like Twin Cities and it is close so we'll run there with the AMSA/MMSA. Waynesfield isn't exactly close to us but it's a good mini-sprint track so we'll run there as well with both groups and also at times when they have their regular show.

You'll probably see us at Brownstown with the MMSA.

Not a fan of Moler.....and not sure about some of the other AMSA races. If I have my choice I'd probably just go to Waynesfield.

Sad to see only two dates at L-Burg and one of them is Labor Day weekend when we are typically out of town. I am a little sad to see the 'Burg turning into a Hornet/Pure Stock track.

[QUOTE=Phylo82;268245]We'll be racing a lot with the MMSA this year. We like Twin Cities and it is close so we'll run there with the AMSA/MMSA. Waynesfield isn't exactly close to us but it's a good mini-sprint track so we'll run there as well with both groups and also at times when they have their regular show.

You'll probably see us at Brownstown with the MMSA.

Not a fan of Moler.....and not sure about some of the other AMSA races. If I have my choice I'd probably just go to Waynesfield.

Sad to see only two dates at L-Burg and one of them is Labor Day weekend when we are typically out of town. I am a little sad to see the 'Burg turning into a Hornet/Pure Stock track.[/QUOTE

Seems like the burg is more of a modified track too. Open wheel cars just don't bring the car count like they used to when the burg was smaller.

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I had some time, I'll help you out.....

April
Sat. April 14 Twin Cities (MMSA)
Sat. April 21 Twin Cities (AMSA)
Sat. April 28 Brownstown, IN (MMSA)

May
Sat. May 12 Waynesfield, Oh (MMSA)
Sat. May 12 Twin Cities (AMSA)

Fri. May 18 Bloomington, IN support for USAC (MMSA)
Sat. May 19 Brownstown (MMSA)
Sat. May 19 Montpelier (AMSA)
Sun. May 20 Kokomo (AMSA)

Fri. May 25 Thunder Valley Salem, IN (MMSA)
Sat. May 26 Twin Cities (MMSA)

June
Sat. June 2 Brownstown (MMSA)
Sat. June 2 Charlestown (AMSA)

Sat. June 9 Twin Cities (AMSA)

Fri. June 15 Moler (AMSA)
Sat. June 16 Brownstown (MMSA)
Sat. June 16 Waynesfield (AMSA)

Sat. June 23 Montpelier, IN (MMSA)
Sun. June 24 Kokomo, IN (MMSA)

Sat. June 30 Twin Cities (MMSA)

July
Sat. July 7 Brownstown (MMSA)
Sat. July 7 Charlestown (AMSA)

Mon. July 9 TBA (Bartholomew Co. Fair) non wing (MMSA)

Fri. July 13 U.S. 24 --1200cc Lightning Mini Sprint Clash (non-wing & non-point race) (AMSA)
Sat. July 14 U.S. 24 --2nd day of the Lightning Mini Sprint Clash (non-wing & non-point race) (AMSA)
Sat. July 14 Brownstown (MMSA)

Fri. July 20 Bloomington support for USAC (MMSA)
Sat. July 21 Twin Cities (MMSA)
Sat. July 21 Waynesfield (AMSA)

Thur. July 26 Brownstown non wing (MMSA)
Fri. July 27 TBA (MMSA)
Sat. July 28 TBA (MMSA)
Sat. July 28 Lawrenceburg (AMSA)

August
Fri. Aug. 3 TBA (MMSA)

Sat. Aug. 11 Eldora ( tentative ) (MMSA)

Sat Aug. 18 Brownstown (MMSA)
Sat. Aug 18 Charlestown (AMSA)

Sat. Aug. 25 Waynesfield, Oh. (MMSA)

Fri. Aug. 31 Moler (AMSA)

September
Sat. Sept. 1 Twin Cities (MMSA)
Sat. Sept 1 Lawrenceburg (AMSA)
Sun. Sept. 2 Twin Cities (AMSA)

Sat. Sept. 15 Brownstown (MMSA)

Sat. Sept 22 Montpelier (AMSA)

Sat. Sept. 29 Brownstown (MMSA)

October
Fri. & Sat. Oct. 12-13 FUN FEST Brownstown 13th non wing (MMSA)

Fri., Sat. & Sun. Oct. 26,27,28 Eldora (tentative) (MMSA)

Wheres charlestown? I've never heard of it

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That's a bunch of races.

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Charlestown is a 1/4 mile slightly banked clay oval, right on hwy 3. Its just South of Scottsburg.

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Charlestown Speedway is a neat little track. about the right size for Full size Midgets or their little brothers the 1000cc or 1200cc midgets.
It started out probably 25 or 30 years ago as a dirt track running mostly dirt stock cars (it is southern Indiana) They have however also hosted several WOL races back in the early days.

New promoters came in and PAVED it and ran several years like that before closing it down. It layed vacant for several years and was bought by some motorcycle people. They ripped up the asphalt and turned it into a Motor-cross track, that lasted about 5 years and it again went back to seed.

A new guy got hold of it this year I think his name is Brian Stummler, he is a heavy equipment guy and he returned it back into a dirt track, I don't think it has as much bank as the old track but it is plenty wide.

For open wheel cars he might have to work on his wall a little bit, you do not want to go off the track between turns 3 and 4, It's a long way down.

We wish them the best of luck. I miss a dirt track around Louisville It's about 20 mile out of Louisville going up Indiana 62 to Charlestown taking a left at 3 and it is about 1/2 mile outside Town just past the Charlestown Hospital.

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

According to promoter, Tim Kelley, they ran a Joe James/Pat O'Connor Memorial in the late 70s.

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whats the engine rules going to be the same as last stock motors

Rules are at www.midwestminisprints.com , and www.americanminisprints.com .

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Could someone tell me the diffrence between AMSA - MMSA and the UMRA and MTQRL. Were looking at getting started in the open wheel from karts but not entirely sure the diffrence between the series. I pretty educated on the UMRA and MTQRL and know they are same car just different sanctioning body but if some one could explain the AMSA and MMSA to me. We live in North Vernon so there schedule is definetly benefical to us.

MMSA and AMSA are upright minisprint sanctions, we primarily use modern late model 1000'cc engines. Usually with a protected chain drive line. The other series MTQRL and the other are TQ midgets. They use smaller cc engines and use a drive line. Both are step up from karts if your wanting to go in the direction of sprint cars.

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MTQRL and UMRA are 3/4 midgets or TQ's. They have be around for 60 years or so. They are powered by mostly by de-transed motorcycle engines. They are racing purist, they believe that a true race car must be shaft driven to a quick change rear end. They didn't feel this way until the 1970,s. They are mini-midgets and require mostly special TQ components.

AMSA and MMSA are mini sprints. They are in the middle of an an identity crisis. They began back in the 1980,s when somebody took an old midget frame and installed a motorcycle engine with the trans and used chain drive to the rear axil. They also installed a wing because they were world of outlaw wanabe's. I can still remember the 4 wide parade laps. As mini sprints grew a bunch of new people decided that "mini" was too mini and did not match the ability of these cars. A guy up in Canada said he thought Lightning Sprint was better, so now we have minisprint-lightning sprint deals some groups even use the two terms together.

Mini sprints are still midget frame with late model motorcycle engins in them. Several groups have decided to make the drive optional either chain or Quick change. Mini sprints can be 600cc, 750cc, 1000cc, or 1200cc. In the last 6 years or so most have gone to the 1000cc size.
You simply buy a late modlel motorcycle engine and bolt it in and you are ready to go. Much cheeper than doing all the work required for a TQ motor. There are some Mini sprints out there for rent to see if that is really what floats your boat befor you invest.

I would be glad to talk to you any time about mini-sprints or as I prefer (1000cc midgets) My day phone is 502-778-6833 ask for Dad.

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

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MMSA is a spin off of AMSA.The rules are very much the same except AMSA motors are not sealed and top 3 in every race are tech every race.Weights are about the same this year and you don't pay a extra fee to race with AMSA.After you pay a guest entry for 4 weeks you are automatic a member and points start counting.Payoff is the same member or not. If you can Print off the rules and compare to see both to see what fits your progam.Jerry Tague would be glad to answer any questions you have and has been associated with mini's since the 80's .

Count on Harriet to bring matches to a fire... Once again are you associated with either series ? Go play bingo.
Spin off would be a cheap copy, the MMSA was the 1st to establish and standardize 1000cc engine. 1st to have stock bore and stoke rules. The things that make racing affordable is what the MMSA is working to preserve. The AMSA has followed. However they are both reputable series with plenty of room to grow...
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I'm happy to see the schedule, plenty of opportunities for racers to cross series.

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AMSA has been around for a long time. The MMSA was just started up about 4 or 5 years ago. They have copyed about everything that the AMSA has. But AMSA DON'T SEAL MOTORS which don't do any good any way. the seals are broken more often then not. they are stock bore and stoke. and checked after the race. Yes they are reputable series, you don't see any the AMSA MEMBERS run down MMSA association. Don't know why you all can't get along. Bad mouthing don't make your group look good. just bad in some peoples eyes. Mr. May should put a stop to it but, guess he is enjoying it all, hoping his assication will win out. but don't think it will. let each group run where ever they want. And each keep out of the others business. But I guess that is hard for some of you, just have to keep the pot stired up . o.k. Dad, and the Bradleys let hear your 2 cent worth.

Hmmm Harriet and Harry.. Well no negativity was going on untill Harriet came to the party. The series are night and day different. Jerry is doing the right thing to rebuild the AMSA. The AMSA used to be the biggest show around. He has changed personal and expanded his schedule, and is adopting rules that work. Before the AMSA was on it's way to being instinct with High dollar motors, and open rules. It's getting better. I'll give credit where it is due. But this nagging between the two has to stop. Bill May has done everything right so far, and this spin off has done nothing but increase car count and competiion. I say keep up the good work Bill, and Jerry. 2012 looks pretty exciting.

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May I ask what I said that would start a fire? They wanted to know what the difference between AMSA and MMSA.MMSA was started so they could run their own rules and then copied AMSA rules almost word for word. I would call that a spin off,tell me a different word.I said check the rules and pick was you like.I did say they could contact Jerry just like Bill May and Dad was mentioned .You have no idea what I do and what my business is so put your forked tongue away and pack away your knives. If anyone stirs up trouble it's you and your cronies.Most of the AMSA and MMSA members are great people and just want to race and have a good time.

Well nick I apologize. I realize that the your question hasn't been answered.. This has been going on for a long time. Please don't judge either series on these past few comments. The AMSA and MMSA are basically the same cars. You can run either with a 1000cc stock engine, and be competitive. Many guys race both series, and we should see alot of that in 2012. I used to have pretty harsh feelings for the AMSA but after talking to some of there management last year I have reconciled many of our differences. These series can work together. The older female that keeps pouncing on these responses is no longer associated with the AMSA series. If youd like to know more I can answer your questions via email or Phone. Both series have great racers and a good following. I hope you'll join us on the track, in both series.
-Andy Bradley

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Waynesfield schedule is on their website. Glad to see both series at the track this year and minis are the support class for the all star speedweek show
Nick daugherty

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Well this older woman answered your question about the difference.It is there in black and white I just gave you another name to check out.They also don't have any idea who I'm associated with when it comes to mini's and what I'm doing besides bingo.AMSA has never been about to fold.I can be nasty also.The only reason MMSA was formed is because a few didn't want to follow the rules so 1 man with 6 or more of his cars started their own club and done nothing but spread rumors about AMSA.Big money motors what a joke ,I owned 3 mini sprints ,they were legal and probaley the heavest cars on the track. Sealed motors are a joke they were laughed about all summer about how they were unsealed and worked on. Sorry about the raving but I get tried of everything I say being singled out as a lie.

Good job Daugherty , old buddy way to keep the piece :) by the way Vegas for party?

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Hey Drew

You racing with us again this year, or are you moving up to the Sprint cars?

Mike

Just a question? Since I'm semi new ( 3 yrs) to this whole mini sprint stuff ... First.. When I first started racing AMSA hAd 20+ races ... Mmsa also had 20+ races now both associations still have 20+ races ! now why does everyone want to argue fight bi*** complain and take down what both associations are doing! Why not get everyone on same page ! Another question that has never been answered is Y amsa has to be so crude towards bill may ..or wait maybe it's not amsa maybe it's an EX employee that is making these remarks? Just a question! Now let's all think about this.. If u were coming out of go-carts wanting to get into open wheel and you read all this bs than why would anyone want to buy a mini sprint and get involved with all this crap... Honestly the reason I'm an Mmsa member is because ex employees of amsa made me feel like if I raced with anyone but them it was like a sin so therefore I only raced once at moler last year..which only 14 cars were there! I'm sorry for getting involved because our race team is new but our race team is bringing two cars to the track next year and we will be racing where we're going to have the most FUN and the most competitors to race against! One more spin .... Let's have a points race where the top ten racers from each series race one final race against each other at the end of the year and have a competitive fun race series vs series!

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Both! Mike

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Well said drew, their is more minisprints now then ever. I feel like the car counts will be amazing in Indiana. No reason why things can't be more diplomatic.

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Sounds good to me!

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Hey Drew

Who do you have driving your second car? Is it a Henchcraft?

We will be bringing 2 every race as well. We picked up another FOZ for Beau.

Should be a fun year. Brownstown, North Vernon, Bloomington. Just what i like.

Mike

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The AMSA - MMSA feud is getting old.

We have run more with the AMSA because their schedule has been more convenient for us. We live 15 minutes from L-Burg and up until this year that is where the AMSA has had the majority of their races.

I have NEVER looked at a schedule and thought I am going here because it's the AMSA or I'm not going there because it's the MMSA. I am more concerned with what the track is like and will I be home before 3:00am.

I can look at the schedule right now and tell you when/where we'll be racing this season.......and I can do it without looking at which group is running the show that evening.

This year we're going to mix it up a little bit, try some new things (non-wing) and have some fun. Points racing will not be a concern.

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DREW I like your style kid !!

Honest Dad himself

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Well, we are looking to get started with these cars, and I can tell you it does get a little disconcerting with all of the back and forth over sanctioning bodies, gas / alky this weight that weight etc. The only saving grace is that we have run quartermidgets many years so we are well used to dysfunctional!