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Bad Dad 54 10/31/11 10:14 PM

Sides Lawsuit
 
Found this on 2 sites
After racing full time with the World of Outlaws sprint car series for the last eight years, “Double Down” Jason Sides and Sides Motorsports announced today that they intend to sue the World of Outlaws ownership entity, World Racing Group, to recover Driver Point Fund monies, Car Owner Point Fund monies, tow money and other benefits owed by the series to them. The dispute has been simmering for a couple of months, and Jason, the Series’ 2003 Kevin Gobrecht Rookie of the Year, characterized the issue as follows:
“In August of this year, I called the World Racing Group CEO, Brian Carter, and asked him for permission to run a non-Outlaw race in Fargo, ND a few weeks later. He said he couldn’t talk right then but promised to call me back the next morning at 10 o’clock. He never called me, so I texted him two more times to ask for permission to run the race. Never receiving a response from him telling me otherwise, I figured I was cleared to race. Two other World of Outlaw teams were racing that same non-sanctioned race, the #9 car and the #15, so I showed up and raced…didn’t do very well, though ! The next thing I know, the World of Outlaws come around and tell me they are cutting my tow money in half, cutting my pit passes in half and not going to pay me my Driver and Owner Point Fund money at the end of the year. They told me that regardless of where I finish in the points [currently 6th] they are only gonna pay me last place money. That’s about a $40,000 difference, and I am not going to roll over on a $40,000 ‘fine’ just because Brian Carter was too busy or didn’t want to call me back. We will let a jury decide whether what they are doing to me is right. I’ve supported this Series for a long, long time. In the years I’ve raced with the Outlaws, I’ve ran 100% of their races. If they think they can just keep my money that I’ve worked all year for, and that I’ll just whimper back to Tennessee, they’re wrong. Maybe they’ll change their minds before the Banquet, but right now they don’t even return phone calls. If they pay me my money, great. Otherwise, I’m suing them.”
In addition to his Rookie of the Year honor, Jason was the famed King’s Royal victor in 2004, and has finished 5th in both of the last two years on the Outlaw circuit. Driving his Wetherington Tractor Service “7S”car, Jason is a fan favorites wherever he races. Next year, he’ll race wherever he chooses.

Remember when USAC pulled this, look where USAC is now. It's still a good series but it's not as prominant as it once was. :deadhorse:

terry kelly jr 10/31/11 10:48 PM

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go get em jason !!! take on the big machine, they deserve to have their balls busted, never have i heard such a crock of crap.. it is your racecar you race where you want to..i back you 110% if ted was still running it i bet it would be handled different, while he was shrewd i belive he was fair.

tk

racephoto1 10/31/11 11:06 PM

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If things are as bad financially for WoO as has been rumored for a while, they're doing ths for financial reasons, and no other reason than that.

tamale wagon 11/1/11 5:16 PM

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Jason come to PA and be part of the Posse........ :32:

treecitytornado 11/1/11 7:06 PM

Same crap that guys went through with Ted Johnson. That's why Steve and others ran with USA And NST!
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spicoli 11/1/11 9:03 PM

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I'd like to hear Eck's take on this.

davidm 11/2/11 8:29 AM

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How can they call them selves Outlaws with rules like this anyway? Racing like Sides wanted to do is what an Outlaw used to be!

racephoto 11/2/11 10:13 AM

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I like watching Jason Sides and he is always friendly when he has time. This has turned into a no-win for both Sides and WoO.

NOW: Is anyone thinking about why WoO has this rule?
The problem starts once the WoO schedule is made public. Tracks/promoters within a few hours of a track hosting a WoO event, where the schedule has a day or two break, can take advantage of what the series has put together. Using some crafty PR, they can say all of the WoO drivers will be there to race. They could even offer the WoO regulars no entry fee considering how may fans will fill the stands. And, certainly, the drivers want to race as much as they can just to pay the bills.

However, taking advantage of what WoO, or any touring series, has to offer without paying a sanctioning fee is either smart or unscrupulous depending on your position.
(ie: Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free?)

Bad Dad 54 11/2/11 8:32 PM

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Racephoto makes a good point but, Jason called WoO & asked if he could race. Should've given Jason an answer when he asked:10:. As I've stated before when I was a race official, "Do your job, if you wanna watch the races buy a ticket and sit in the stands" ;)

Bruce7K 11/3/11 12:34 AM

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I am not trying to defend WoO/WMG, and I know it's popular to bash them, but it seems there are some obvious facts people are missing.

Mr. Sides can race wherever he wants, whenever he wants. The WoO has rules that he can choose to abide by or tell them to jump off a cliff. How is this different from telling a track you won't run their tire, spec fuel, or engine size but still want to be paid for the win?


From what little I know about the law (cough, cough), nobody forced Mr. Sides to agree to WoO rules for their points fund, travel money or contingency dollars at the start of the season. He obviously knew what the rules were if he even had to ask for permission. If he wants to participate in the up side ($$$), he has to play by their rules. Right?

Midget 89 11/3/11 10:03 AM

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Responding to Jason's phone call would have ended all this.

K-Dawg30 11/3/11 11:23 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bruce7K (Post 260342)
I am not trying to defend WoO/WMG, and I know it's popular to bash them, but it seems there are some obvious facts people are missing.

Mr. Sides can race wherever he wants, whenever he wants. The WoO has rules that he can choose to abide by or tell them to jump off a cliff. How is this different from telling a track you won't run their tire, spec fuel, or engine size but still want to be paid for the win?


From what little I know about the law (cough, cough), nobody forced Mr. Sides to agree to WoO rules for their points fund, travel money or contingency dollars at the start of the season. He obviously knew what the rules were if he even had to ask for permission. If he wants to participate in the up side ($$$), he has to play by their rules. Right?

I understand what your saying... however, WoO should have called him back like they said they would.

Then what about the fact that Shatz and one of the KKR cars ran the event with no penalties???? Favoritism???? something is just fishy

illinisprintfan 11/3/11 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by K-Dawg30 (Post 260368)
I understand what your saying... however, WoO should have called him back like they said they would.

Then what about the fact that Shatz and one of the KKR cars ran the event with no penalties???? Favoritism???? something is just fishy

That's the kicker right there at the end. If the other two cars that ran the unauthorized race are not subject to the same punishment, then WoO are way out of line and can expect to lose a lawsuit. If all three teams are penalized, then Jason has no leg to stand on. It doesn't say if the other teams were penalized as well, but implies they weren't. Anybody got the scoop?

dant 11/3/11 2:50 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by illinisprintfan (Post 260369)
That's the kicker right there at the end. If the other two cars that ran the unauthorized race are not subject to the same punishment, then WoO are way out of line and can expect to lose a lawsuit. If all three teams are penalized, then Jason has no leg to stand on. It doesn't say if the other teams were penalized as well, but implies they weren't. Anybody got the scoop?

Perhaps the other teams ask to run and got the ok...maybe WOO doesn't want every member to race anyrace so they only ok one or two.the first one or two to request..or maybe they treat it like a provisional and allow based on points standings..i don't know what the contract reads...Sides did -he ask-they didn't approve the request- he raced anyway...the penalty seems tough...but it's contract law when it goes before a judge

DANO34 11/3/11 5:27 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bad Dad 54 (Post 260182)
Found this on 2 sites
After racing full time with the World of Outlaws sprint car series for the last eight years, “Double Down” Jason Sides and Sides Motorsports announced today that they intend to sue the World of Outlaws ownership entity, World Racing Group, to recover Driver Point Fund monies, Car Owner Point Fund monies, tow money and other benefits owed by the series to them. The dispute has been simmering for a couple of months, and Jason, the Series’ 2003 Kevin Gobrecht Rookie of the Year, characterized the issue as follows:
“In August of this year, I called the World Racing Group CEO, Brian Carter, and asked him for permission to run a non-Outlaw race in Fargo, ND a few weeks later. He said he couldn’t talk right then but promised to call me back the next morning at 10 o’clock. He never called me, so I texted him two more times to ask for permission to run the race. Never receiving a response from him telling me otherwise, I figured I was cleared to race. Two other World of Outlaw teams were racing that same non-sanctioned race, the #9 car and the #15, so I showed up and raced…didn’t do very well, though ! The next thing I know, the World of Outlaws come around and tell me they are cutting my tow money in half, cutting my pit passes in half and not going to pay me my Driver and Owner Point Fund money at the end of the year. They told me that regardless of where I finish in the points [currently 6th] they are only gonna pay me last place money. That’s about a $40,000 difference, and I am not going to roll over on a $40,000 ‘fine’ just because Brian Carter was too busy or didn’t want to call me back. We will let a jury decide whether what they are doing to me is right. I’ve supported this Series for a long, long time. In the years I’ve raced with the Outlaws, I’ve ran 100% of their races. If they think they can just keep my money that I’ve worked all year for, and that I’ll just whimper back to Tennessee, they’re wrong. Maybe they’ll change their minds before the Banquet, but right now they don’t even return phone calls. If they pay me my money, great. Otherwise, I’m suing them.”
In addition to his Rookie of the Year honor, Jason was the famed King’s Royal victor in 2004, and has finished 5th in both of the last two years on the Outlaw circuit. Driving his Wetherington Tractor Service “7S”car, Jason is a fan favorites wherever he races. Next year, he’ll race wherever he chooses.

Remember when USAC pulled this, look where USAC is now. It's still a good series but it's not as prominant as it once was. :deadhorse:

good luck jason hope you win the money you was suppose to get.

Bad Dad 54 11/3/11 11:00 PM

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Only ones that going to really win are the lawyers:43::

Diggsy 11/5/11 3:57 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dant (Post 260377)
Perhaps the other teams ask to run and got the ok...maybe WOO doesn't want every member to race anyrace so they only ok one or two.the first one or two to request..or maybe they treat it like a provisional and allow based on points standings..i don't know what the contract reads...Sides did -he ask-they didn't approve the request- he raced anyway...the penalty seems tough...but it's contract law when it goes before a judge

To say they didn't approve the request is a bit misleading, because they also didn't DISAPPROVE the request. What they did was ignore the request. From what's been presented above, Jason did what the governing body asks its drivers to do before racing outside the series. The governing body, however, didn't do what IT was supposed to do. After Jason contacted WoO, it would seem that the onus would be on them to say yea or nea, not bury their head in the sand and then come to him later with this fine.

flatout 11/7/11 2:04 AM

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Looks like WRG is really trying to fubar this whole situation. From IBRACIN website:

It is being reported that Jason Sides wasn't allowed at he banquet on Sunday. No table for Sides and no money either. Looks as if the WoO is fighting back and as a result, the law suit is forthcoming. This will be interesting to see how this all plays out.

Sure would be nice if Stewart and Kahne would lean on the the leadership of WRG and have them actually do the right thing.

CTtoPA 11/7/11 11:51 AM

After watching Charlotte on Saturday it's pretty obvious that of the three series that raced, the sprint cars were the least exciting of the three. WRG should worry more about their product and less about enforcing a half-assed rule.
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berks co 11/7/11 3:35 PM

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A Stupid lack of communication has caused this problem, screw any & everybody who does NOT have the decency to return a phone call. It's not that hard to do is it?

Bruce7K 11/7/11 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by berks co (Post 260745)
A Stupid lack of communication has caused this problem, screw any & everybody who does NOT have the decency to return a phone call. It's not that hard to do is it?

If Mr Sides was looking for a professional response to a written contract, he should have submitted a written request via certified mail. Unless it's written into the non-compete clause in the WoO contract, WRG is under no obligation to respond to a voice mail or text. In the absence of a written "yes", the answer is "no".

I get that most people don't like contracts, lawyers and the strict rules, but it was Mr. Sides who agreed to the rules when he signed the contract.

Bruce St. James

Roy Bleckert 11/8/11 12:02 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bruce7K (Post 260786)
If Mr Sides was looking for a professional response to a written contract, he should have submitted a written request via certified mail. Unless it's written into the non-compete clause in the WoO contract, WRG is under no obligation to respond to a voice mail or text. In the absence of a written "yes", the answer is "no".

I get that most people don't like contracts, lawyers and the strict rules, but it was Mr. Sides who agreed to the rules when he signed the contract.

Bruce St. James

This is my layman's understanding of contract law also FWIW

goon 8/3/12 3:03 PM

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Does anyone know where this lawsuit is standing right now? Has there been a ruling yet?

Gee2 8/3/12 3:15 PM

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They settled it but no one but them know the deatails.. it said something like both parties were happy with the decision.. I dont have the exact press release

cecil98 8/3/12 4:00 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bruce7K (Post 260342)
I am not trying to defend WoO/WMG, and I know it's popular to bash them, but it seems there are some obvious facts people are missing.

Mr. Sides can race wherever he wants, whenever he wants. The WoO has rules that he can choose to abide by or tell them to jump off a cliff. How is this different from telling a track you won't run their tire, spec fuel, or engine size but still want to be paid for the win?


From what little I know about the law (cough, cough), nobody forced Mr. Sides to agree to WoO rules for their points fund, travel money or contingency dollars at the start of the season. He obviously knew what the rules were if he even had to ask for permission. If he wants to participate in the up side ($$$), he has to play by their rules. Right?

Not if WOO has any history of giving exemptions to any team since this rule has been in place. If, indeed, Jason did legitimately seek permission to run this race from WOO, he may be able to assume de facto permission from the non-response after having spoken to the proper authority in WOO. If WOO has granted past exemptions, he may have a case.

RadRacer 8/3/12 11:08 PM

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As Jason said it's water under the bridge ,let's go racing!


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