What was the final result on Clauson's engine
 

What was the final result on Clauson's engine pumping BIG?

We pulled the head so they could check bore and stroke, checked out fine. Thanks Tim Clauson
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Thanks for the update. That good news to hear.

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Having had to pull heads in the pits (in the dirt) with another race the next night (and being legal), I know what a pain in the nose that is. What's the story here? Did someone protest? You don't usually protest someone who finished 4th. I know he started 14th, but there were others who had good runs, too.

There was no protest. USAC Is pumping the top 5 every night and this was from Night ones finish. When the engine pumped big there was a person in the pits that could,t wait to share the good news with everybody. Which put us in a difficult position as with USAC as well. At first they wanted to impound the car and do the tear down in a controlled environment back in Indy. But when the rumors starting flying we suggested that we do it right here at the track because either we were illegal or we were legal and we might as well find out now. We pulled the head and USAC measured the bore and stroke and it was well within legal limits.

While this has hurt our chances this weekend as it has put our best piece out of commission I just want to say that I feel USAC handled this situation exactly how it should of been handled and while a hardship for our team at this time USAC did a great job at taking care of a situation that could of gotten out of control and damaged a reputation that we have worked many years to acquire.

The top 5 were pumped again last night and my guess the top 5 will be pumped agiain tonight.

My only wish is that the person who was so quick to throw us under the bus could of just waited until all the facts were known, before putting myself, my team, my sponsors and the organization under a unnecessary and unfair bad light.

I hope everyone makes out here tonight because if last years event and the last 2 nights are any indication this could well be the race of the year.

Thank,
Tim Clauson
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I love it when someone tells it like it really is. No drama. Just facts!!!

Your a class act Tim!!
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If you feel their comments damaged your reputation then maybe the person or persons need(s) a lesson in slander/libel and compensatory damages ;-)
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Are those really the facts? Was the proper equipment used to measure the motor? Something smells funny? "They tore our motor down and it was legal and we think USAC is great and they handled everything perfectly"

If you believe this smoke scream you probably believe Lee Harvy acted alone!

Smoke screen eh? Here is a quote from a recent post you made.
I'm sure I've taken this quote out of context though. ;)

SLIDEJOB!
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Must not be a Clauson fan.

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I wish you folks would not quote ossuks -- I blocked him a long time ago due to repeated crap like he posted here, but his posts get around my block when someone quotes him.

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I hope ur not talking lawyers, they're one of the main reasons this country is in decline.

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No, I think the tear down and subsiquent findings succeeded in making him look like a ass. And the Compensation was probably priceless............

No attorney necessary for that :)

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did you stay at a holiday inn express last night? :14:

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We put an addition to our engine teardown/pumping rule, that the engine in question, will be marked, and be teched by the tech person, wherever, and whenever he decides, stops this bull of protests just to keep someone from not being able to compete, with races being so close together at times. Bob!:)

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Looks like cased closed. Just ignore the trolls and move on. Good run by the way, 14th to fourth.

How can an engine pump big? Do they use some device that measures the amount of air the piston displaces from the cylinder?
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As far as I know, they would be using the conventional "swept volume" method, disable the valves on a cylinder, and hook into the sparkplug hole, and roll it over a few times, and ck the markings on the glass, but, I've seen them be under, more than over, that's why Nascar has for the past several years, recheck them by actual measuring the bore and stroke. Bob!:)

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I have "no dog in this fight" so I think I can be fairly objective. I've researched info on "Cubic Inch Testers" provided by the manufacturers of the test equipment and independent articles and they all agree on 2 issues. 1. Test equipment errors are always to the small size. 2. If it pumps BIG, it's BIG!.

Don't you have to consider atmospheric conditions? Temperature?Pressure? Humidity? They proved the other night that "pumping big" doesn't mean your motor is over. Unless you're one who thinks a deal was made.
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Just wondering if that was your best motor and was legal after USAC checked it why you didn't put it back together and run it the next night?

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Working outside in the dirt and dust is a bit different than working in a nice clean shop. Would you feel good about reassembling your expensive motor in a dirty environment and then go out an race it if you didnt have to?

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yes, there are variables that will change the readings.....and they have to be factored in for the correct reading.

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Ok $29.00 dollar head gasket @NAPA FEL-PRO 8993PT-1 with 9-small extra holes only one needed And enclosed trailer 2hr. max. Race next night. NO need to stand their with your pants around your ankles and cry poor me! Or you can put the 161cu.in. back in an we will turn and look for some one with out dated seat belts. Thats not one of the golden one's

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Another board was lit up after the Knoxville nationals regarding the winner pumping too big...apparently they pumped 7 times before it showed legal...un-involved motor builders explained that aluminum engines will pump slightly bigger if pumped when hot due to metal expansion and that once the engine returned to atmospheric temp, which is what the rule states, the engine in question was fine...I would ASSUME something similar happened to the Clausons, and the bore and stroke test is the only true way to determine displacement.

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If USAC is the premier midget class why even have a engine rule ? If it will fit in a midget and the car pass's safety tech, good to go. If anything usac should have a portable dyno, test the cars at a certain rpm, if they're over the h.p. reading at the end of race they dqed.

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Your own words...

I think the Clauson's are working very hard to have successful results and are innocent until proven guilty. I believe the matter of Clauson's motor issue is closed. It passed the test and was LEGAL!

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Well heck yeah, if the manufacturer says it, it's got to be true! I mean we all know that they would tell us if their equipment could produce a false positive.:17:
Since virtually all sanctioning organizations have rules that call for further testing if an engine pumps big then they must not have faith in the "if it pumps big, it's big" theory.
I know you claim to be objective so it must be a coincidence that your caps lock key malfunctions when you type the word "big".

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I might be more objective reading your posts if you were man(or woman) enough to put your name behind your words. Anyone can anonymously sit back and take shots at someone. If you cant put your name on it then its a waste of our time.

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none of this really matters if the head was popped and the motor was measured and found legal.
and if the clausons didnt want to put the motor back together in the parking lot, who is anyone to question that?
next time....put the money up and have it torn down if it bothers you so much.

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This is a quote from Jerry Shaw's fabulous recount of that evening;

Midgets started off the program with bang. Three of those heats were the best three heats I'd seen all year. Three and four wide, banzai moves with little to no room to thread the needles that they were threading, like it was nothing! I love midgets on this track! When those heats were over I had a scratchy throat from yelling and a scrape on my left elbow from leaning far enough to contact the open wooden bleacher spot beside me. The track did kind of go away as the evening progressed and that did have an effect on the racing, some. It was still a really good race, though. East led for most of the early going, but was converged upon by Clauson and Hagen (at Granite City, that's what you call your worst nightmare) and when East dropped down to protect against Hagen, Clauson got around him on the outside and just slowly checked out. A Kyle Larson blown tire with two laps left provided Hagen with a last shot. As they restarted, you heard the familiar sick sound that only a midget motor that is laying down can make coming from BC's car, opportunity knocked, Hagen answered the door and drove home unchallenged for the win. It's amazing that BC was able to hold off Zach Daum, who was on a late race rampage and the always high-flying Brad Sweet, to hold on to the second spot.

I heard the same thing as Jerry, that engine was sick, so legal or not I'm thinking it needed pulled and sent to the engine Dr. anyway and the assembly would have been irrelivant.

Steve

Letter sent out today by USAC...

United States Auto Club
10/10 2011
USAC pumped (engines) top 5 finishers from each A-main at Gold Crown Midget event. As all know by now we incurred a engine that pumped above accepted cubic inch for that manufacturer (big) the team in question Clauson Racing. I was person (Dave Brzozowski) that personally did all engines and the Clauson car was last to be done, the option is DQ or remove cylinder head for bore and stroke measurement for true displacement. The measurement was taken and verified graciously by Rick Long of Speedway Engine and as a witness concluded that engine was legal. I was very confused how going from one engine to the next and same brand (esslinger) this is possible. I could not stop thinking of how or what would cause an engine to pump big if it is truly within its specifications. We continued our pumping procedure for the next night with no issues. I looked and questioned all parts and procedures and on Saturday morning while looking at pump piston realized and verified how its possible besides obvious of reading numbers incorrect, mistake can be made by installing piston in pump upside down. I pumped an engine that same morning later and it was good I asked team if they minded me doing a test (piston upside down) it pumped big. I always remove piston and seal between test to clean and lube I am completely confident that I installed piston upside down (even though its marked) before pumping the Clauson car. The piston has a nipple on one side to compress relief valve at bottom of tube to relieve pressure on each stroke, not doing this pushes piston further up tube. I take complete responsibly for this mistake and apologize to Clauson Racing and USAC for any negativity this created over a great weekend of Midget Racing during the Gold Crown.

Sincerely,
Dave Brzozowski
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I heard a broken spark plug was the culprit for the engine sounding sick the last couple laps.

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Tim Clawson says he's legal and USAC says he's legal. That would apparently be it.

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I appreciate Dave Brzozowski stepping up to clarify the source of the confusion surrounding the engine check. Those of you who are so determined to bad-mouth BC and the team need to quit taking Viagra for a while.
So please quit :deadhorse:

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LOL, so the piston was upside down. Now I do not feel so bad for having done that a time or two.........:14:

And I can verify that if the piston is upside down, it will pump big. With the 360 motores I was pumping, they would come out around 16-24 ci's too big.

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who can't appreciate a place where questions can be asked, issues can be raised, explanations can be heard, mistakes can be acknowledged, and we move forward.

Thank you Bill Gardner for IOW, thank you Tim Clauson for being forthright, and thank you to whomever it was that admitted the mistake and detailed explanation of why it happened. I don't know about anyone else, but I learned something today. Facts mam, just the facts.