Just clearing the air....
 

We all hate each other.
We all like complaining.
We don't like it when you talk about your favorite race track.
We don't like support classes.
We don't like rough race tracks.
We don't like smooth tracks.
We don't like dry tracks.
We don't like slick tracks.
We don't like rubber down tracks.
We don't like dusty tracks.
We don't like cushions.
We don't like wet tracks.
We don't like concrete walls.
We don't like rainouts.
We don't like the heat.
We don't like the cold.
Those are my seats damnit.
Costs to much.
Doesn't pay enough.
Our kids should get in free.
You miss your free speech.
and yes, I'm a dick.

Well, that should cover it.

I feel so much better now that I released that sarcasm.

:43::

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well bill have a good night i will sleep better now

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:9: :8: Well played, sir!

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Originally Posted by Bill Gardner:
We all hate each other.
We all like complaining.
We don't like it when you talk about your favorite race track.
We don't like support classes.
We don't like rough race tracks.
We don't like smooth tracks.
We don't like dry tracks.
We don't like slick tracks.
We don't like rubber down tracks.
We don't like dusty tracks.
We don't like cushions.
We don't like wet tracks.
We don't like concrete walls.
We don't like rainouts.
We don't like the heat.
We don't like the cold.
Those are my seats damnit.
Costs to much.
Doesn't pay enough.
Our kids should get in free.
You miss your free speech.
and yes, I'm a dick.

Well, that should cover it.

I feel so much better now that I released that sarcasm.

:43::

So, you prefer.......

Every track condition is perfect.
Every driver is perfect.
Every tire is perfect.
Every track's seating situation is perfect.
Every IOW member is perfect.
Every sanctioning body is perfect.
Every purse structure is perfect.
The price of everything related to racing is perfect.
All weather conditions are perfect.
There is no such thing as a race that sucked/every race is perfect.
Tracks and sanctioning bodies scheduling against each other on purpose, is perfect.
Sitting through track worker incompetance, spin dizzy support classes, crazy long rain delays, and watching the sun come up as the sprint feature takes the green flag, is perfect.
The cost of gas to get to and from the races is perfect.
This country's economy is perfect.
etc, etc, and on and on........

So is everyone supposed to 'fake it', and pretend that everything is perfect, or are people allowed to actually have an opinion?

Sometimes, complaints are warranted and justified!!

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Originally Posted by Bill Gardner:
We all hate each other.
We all like complaining.
We don't like it when you talk about your favorite race track.
We don't like support classes.
We don't like rough race tracks.
We don't like smooth tracks.
We don't like dry tracks.
We don't like slick tracks.
We don't like rubber down tracks.
We don't like dusty tracks.
We don't like cushions.
We don't like wet tracks.
We don't like concrete walls.
We don't like rainouts.
We don't like the heat.
We don't like the cold.
Those are my seats damnit.
Costs to much.
Doesn't pay enough.
Our kids should get in free.
You miss your free speech.
and yes, I'm a dick.

Well, that should cover it.

I feel so much better now that I released that sarcasm.

:43::

Wow, I had not heard any of that for at least 13 minutes! LOL

You forgot, everyone hates the owner of this site...

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Originally Posted by Need For Speed:
So, you prefer.......

Every track condition is perfect.
Every driver is perfect.
Every tire is perfect.
Every track's seating situation is perfect.
Every IOW member is perfect.
Every sanctioning body is perfect.
Every purse structure is perfect.
The price of everything related to racing is perfect.
All weather conditions are perfect.
There is no such thing as a race that sucked/every race is perfect.
Tracks and sanctioning bodies scheduling against each other on purpose, is perfect.
Sitting through track worker incompetance, spin dizzy support classes, crazy long rain delays, and watching the sun come up as the sprint feature takes the green flag, is perfect.
The cost of gas to get to and from the races is perfect.
This country's economy is perfect.
etc, etc, and on and on........

So is everyone supposed to 'fake it', and pretend that everything is perfect, or are people allowed to actually have an opinion?

Sometimes, complaints are warranted and justified!!

Geez, I heard Bill's post zoom over your head, all the way over here in Indiana. For crying out loud, he even included the word "sarcasm" in his post to leave a big ol' neon blinking hint for those who would read the post and not understand that he was being sarcastic, in making a point.

Think about it, Mr. Cook, how in the World could people complain about all of those things, in a place that we supposedly don't have any freedom of speech?

Jerry

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I respect and appreciate the honesty "do you feel better"

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Forgot one, Bill.

We don't like to buy ads when advertising for an upcoming race.

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Originally Posted by Need For Speed:
So, you prefer.......

Every track condition is perfect.
Every driver is perfect.
Every tire is perfect.
Every track's seating situation is perfect.
Every IOW member is perfect.
Every sanctioning body is perfect.
Every purse structure is perfect.
The price of everything related to racing is perfect.
All weather conditions are perfect.
There is no such thing as a race that sucked/every race is perfect.
Tracks and sanctioning bodies scheduling against each other on purpose, is perfect.
Sitting through track worker incompetance, spin dizzy support classes, crazy long rain delays, and watching the sun come up as the sprint feature takes the green flag, is perfect.
The cost of gas to get to and from the races is perfect.
This country's economy is perfect.
etc, etc, and on and on........

So is everyone supposed to 'fake it', and pretend that everything is perfect, or are people allowed to actually have an opinion?

Sometimes, complaints are warranted and justified!!

Uh... You obviously missed the point.

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Thanks for starting my Saturday morning off with a chuckle Bill! :6:

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Originally Posted by Need For Speed:
So, you prefer.......

Every track condition is perfect.
Every driver is perfect.
Every tire is perfect.
Every track's seating situation is perfect.
Every IOW member is perfect.
Every sanctioning body is perfect.
Every purse structure is perfect.
The price of everything related to racing is perfect.
All weather conditions are perfect.
There is no such thing as a race that sucked/every race is perfect.
Tracks and sanctioning bodies scheduling against each other on purpose, is perfect.
Sitting through track worker incompetance, spin dizzy support classes, crazy long rain delays, and watching the sun come up as the sprint feature takes the green flag, is perfect.
The cost of gas to get to and from the races is perfect.
This country's economy is perfect.
etc, etc, and on and on........

So is everyone supposed to 'fake it', and pretend that everything is perfect, or are people allowed to actually have an opinion?

Sometimes, complaints are warranted and justified!!

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I like support classes. :)

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Good job bill.:9: AND YES YOU ARE A D#$% BUT WE STILL LOVE YOUR SITE.

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Originally Posted by Need For Speed:
So, you prefer.......

Every track condition is perfect.
Every driver is perfect.
Every tire is perfect.
Every track's seating situation is perfect.
Every IOW member is perfect.
Every sanctioning body is perfect.
Every purse structure is perfect.
The price of everything related to racing is perfect.
All weather conditions are perfect.
There is no such thing as a race that sucked/every race is perfect.
Tracks and sanctioning bodies scheduling against each other on purpose, is perfect.
Sitting through track worker incompetance, spin dizzy support classes, crazy long rain delays, and watching the sun come up as the sprint feature takes the green flag, is perfect.
The cost of gas to get to and from the races is perfect.
This country's economy is perfect.
etc, etc, and on and on........

So is everyone supposed to 'fake it', and pretend that everything is perfect, or are people allowed to actually have an opinion?

Sometimes, complaints are warranted and justified!!

I wear rose colored glasses, don't you. ;)

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What about sprint cars with wings?
nascar?

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Bill, good stuff...Here is a sign that Sharon Speedway had posted at their pit gate:

Sharon is an old, fast dangerous track,

1) It may be smooth
2) It may be rough
3) It may be dry
4) It may be wet
5) It may be dustless
6) It may be dusty
7) It may go smoothly
8) It may be confusing
9) It may go slow
10) It may go fast
11) It might rain <<<<EDIT: you can tell this is an OLD sign, :3:
12) The show may run late
13) You may like the man-age-ment
14) You may not like the man-age-ment
15) You may like the rules
16) You may not like the rules
17) It might be the best damn show ever

If you feel you can't run under these con-di-tions, save us the trouble, stay home,
The Management

Every track needs a sign like this at ALL Ticket booths...They just need to add spectate to the last line...

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Originally Posted by Jerry Shaw:
Geez, I heard Bill's post zoom over your head, all the way over here in Indiana. For crying out loud, he even included the word "sarcasm" in his post to leave a big ol' neon blinking hint for those who would read the post and not understand that he was being sarcastic, in making a point.

Think about it, Mr. Cook, how in the World could people complain about all of those things, in a place that we supposedly don't have any freedom of speech?

Jerry

:17:
So now you are trying to 'insult' me, with your smart@ssed comments???

To me, Mr. Gardner is tired of people complaining on his site. Otherwise, why would he take the time to type that whole post????

I don't see much 'sarcasm' is listing out what is exactly being talked about, or has been talked about, on this site...... Please explain it to me, since you apparently think I have no reading comprehension skills..........

BTW: I never said anything about 'freedom of speech'. :10:

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That's funny!!

Racing has it's problems... but overall I think we all enjoy it. I choose to not take life so serious, it is a much better way to live.

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Originally Posted by Bill Gardner:
Uh... You obviously missed the point.

Uh... What is your obvious point?

You posted a nearly exact list of what people have said they didn't like, for a while now. And that is supposedly 'obviously' sarcastic??

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Originally Posted by Bill Gardner:
We all hate each other.
We all like complaining.
We don't like it when you talk about your favorite race track.
We don't like support classes.
We don't like rough race tracks.
We don't like smooth tracks.
We don't like dry tracks.
We don't like slick tracks.
We don't like rubber down tracks.
We don't like dusty tracks.
We don't like cushions.
We don't like wet tracks.
We don't like concrete walls.
We don't like rainouts.
We don't like the heat.
We don't like the cold.
Those are my seats damnit.
Costs to much.
Doesn't pay enough.
Our kids should get in free.
You miss your free speech.
and yes, I'm a dick.

Well, that should cover it.

I feel so much better now that I released that sarcasm.

:43::

What is this sarcasm you speak of?:D

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Well, throwing in by a few, the freedom of speech comment. I don't see that poster on here for one. Picking on people okay, complaining no no no. There are complimenting posts and complaining posts on here. To each their own. :6:

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You want to know what one the great things about dying from cancer is.... It allows me to appreciate the small things. The things that really matter. For each one of us that visits this site... one common thing connects us all. We all enjoy racing.

Now, I'm not blind.... I don't live in fantasyland. Yes, there are problems and each problem needs to be addressed in some manner or another. There is a point where voicing an opinion over and over crosses the line and becomes annoying.

Now, I know, I can talk until I am blue in the face, the fact of the matter is that some of you will never get it. Racing isn't as bad as some would like to think it is.

:32:

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I'm just glad to be here and following "real"sprint cars, ever when it's online instead of being there. When things go wrong, as they often do, it gives us something to ***** about- now that's worth something!

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I believe that a person who chooses to use "Huh???" as his online signature might well "have no reading comprehension skills" (his words, not mine!)
He should remember that this is Bill's site; hence Bill most certainly can post whatever he chooses to post. If Bill's use of sarcasm irks a few, they are certainly free to hang out elsewhere.

Some people just aren't on the level man...
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i love you man. thanks for all you do for the best dirt track fans.

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Maybe we would all be better off if we had Bill's attitude toward life. All of our very days are numbered.

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Originally Posted by Pat O'Connor Fan:
I believe that a person who chooses to use "Huh???" as his online signature might well "have no reading comprehension skills" (his words, not mine!)

Believe what you want.........

Huh???:
Is a funny little comment my 10 year old daughter says. Sometimes, when I ask her something, she will look at me and pause a few seconds, then say 'Huh' really goofy, and laugh. Regarding her intelligence: She is gifted in 3 subjects, and advanced in 3 others. Plus her 'cognitive skills' are off of the charts.

Her sisters are also gifted in 2 subjects, and advanced in 4 others, plus all three of the girls are Honor Students.

My wife and I have 4 degrees between us......

Sorry, but your attempt at a smart @ssed comment was a failure.

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I really don't see how he missed the point. It looked to me like your point was that everyone needs to chill out and stop complaing about every little thing that bothers them at a racetrack. He responded by basically saying, would you rather that everyone acted like everything was perfect at every race and didn't express themselves on here. Yes some people complain too much and about stupid things. But when I complain about something on an internet forum, its with the hope than someone at the track sees it and makes some changes. For instance, the sprint week show at gas city, i complained about the reworking of the track right before the feature, making the track too tacky, with very little passing. Why did I complain, to vent? No. It's because if no one says anything the track is going to think they are doing the right thing, and keep doing it. If people complain, they might try something else. Waynesfield was a little too tacky yesterday too, but that wasn't their fault, it was because of rain. With gas city, the track would have been great, had they not reworked it. I didn't want gas city to think they did the right thing, so I complained. I've been to two usac shows at gas city this year and they did the same thing both shows, so I felt that I needed to say something, with the hope that next time they don't make the same mistake, and put on a great show. That's where I think the value of complaining on a message board is. Yes some people take it too far, aand need to chill out, but that's still better than the alternative, in which everyone keeps their opinions to themselves and are never heard. That was the point that I think NFS was trying to make, which seemed to me an appropriate response to Bill's post.

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Originally Posted by Rogue-9:
I really don't see how he missed the point. It looked to me like your point was that everyone needs to chill out and stop complaing about every little thing that bothers them at a racetrack. He responded by basically saying, would you rather that everyone acted like everything was perfect at every race and didn't express themselves on here. Yes some people complain too much and about stupid things. But when I complain about something on an internet forum, its with the hope than someone at the track sees it and makes some changes. For instance, the sprint week show at gas city, i complained about the reworking of the track right before the feature, making the track too tacky, with very little passing. Why did I complain, to vent? No. It's because if no one says anything the track is going to think they are doing the right thing, and keep doing it. If people complain, they might try something else. Waynesfield was a little too tacky yesterday too, but that wasn't their fault, it was because of rain. With gas city, the track would have been great, had they not reworked it. I didn't want gas city to think they did the right thing, so I complained. I've been to two usac shows at gas city this year and they did the same thing both shows, so I felt that I needed to say something, with the hope that next time they don't make the same mistake, and put on a great show. That's where I think the value of complaining on a message board is. Yes some people take it too far, aand need to chill out, but that's still better than the alternative, in which everyone keeps their opinions to themselves and are never heard. That was the point that I think NFS was trying to make, which seemed to me an appropriate response to Bill's post.

:6:
Exactly the point of my original post in this thread!

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Originally Posted by Rogue-9:
I really don't see how he missed the point. It looked to me like your point was that everyone needs to chill out and stop complaing about every little thing that bothers them at a racetrack. He responded by basically saying, would you rather that everyone acted like everything was perfect at every race and didn't express themselves on here. Yes some people complain too much and about stupid things. But when I complain about something on an internet forum, its with the hope than someone at the track sees it and makes some changes. For instance, the sprint week show at gas city, i complained about the reworking of the track right before the feature, making the track too tacky, with very little passing. Why did I complain, to vent? No. It's because if no one says anything the track is going to think they are doing the right thing, and keep doing it. If people complain, they might try something else. Waynesfield was a little too tacky yesterday too, but that wasn't their fault, it was because of rain. With gas city, the track would have been great, had they not reworked it. I didn't want gas city to think they did the right thing, so I complained. I've been to two usac shows at gas city this year and they did the same thing both shows, so I felt that I needed to say something, with the hope that next time they don't make the same mistake, and put on a great show. That's where I think the value of complaining on a message board is. Yes some people take it too far, aand need to chill out, but that's still better than the alternative, in which everyone keeps their opinions to themselves and are never heard. That was the point that I think NFS was trying to make, which seemed to me an appropriate response to Bill's post.

Chris,

I think that if you have a complaint with a certain track, I would suggest that you contact the track directly. Relying on this or any other forum to delivery your message probably does little if any good. Speedway owners and promoters do listen to their customers. However, most don't monitor this or any other board to the extent of reading every post placed here. They use it for suppling information to their fan base and not much else. For more impact, try contacting them directly.

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That has got to be the first time, in the entire history of IOW/USACFAN that the term 'cognitive skills' has ever been used on this forum!
WOW! I feel smarter just being able to type it, and finding a way to work it in a 2nd time on IOW/USACFAN! :16




:D

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well if we all agree not to @itch anymore this site "could" become boring and lose many posters. you have to admit a lot of the complaining is very amusing to some. i also don't think there's one person on here that hasn't complained. :D

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Originally Posted by smith19:
well if we all agree not to @itch anymore this site "could" become boring and lose many posters. you have to admit a lot of the complaining is very amusing to some. i also don't think there's one person on here that hasn't complained. :D

Well I guess if you think that adults behaving like spoiled children is amusing then you WOULD enjoy the complaining. But what about the person being complained about? For example, on this very thread, there was somebody (no doubt a renowned track prep expert whose credentials should never be questioned) complained about track conditions at GC. Now how do you think Jiggs, who probably worked on the track for many hours and who just might know a thing or two about track prep, feel? Amused probably isn't the word. But hey as long as you and a few others are entertained by the whinning, who cares how the complaining affects anybody else.

No doubt the time I took posting this was completely wasted. Bill's right; "some people will never get it'.

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see you complained about my post. now i'm laughing...:3:

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Originally Posted by smith19:
see you complained about my post. now i'm laughing...:3:

Glad I was able to help you out.

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Ahhhh, I needed a good read today. Please continue all...
:44:

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Originally Posted by Mud Packer:
Chris,

I think that if you have a complaint with a certain track, I would suggest that you contact the track directly. Relying on this or any other forum to delivery your message probably does little if any good. Speedway owners and promoters do listen to their customers. However, most don't monitor this or any other board to the extent of reading every post placed here. They use it for suppling information to their fan base and not much else. For more impact, try contacting them directly.

I would say Kevin Miller has replied to many posts on here. Dave Rudisell does also as some of the people who run Lincoln Park and on and on. They are looking and listening. How many phone calls could or would a race track promoter answer anyway if everyone who had a complaint called them.;)

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Originally Posted by SPRINTCAR:
I would say Kevin Miller has replied to many posts on here. Dave Rudisell does also as some of the people who run Lincoln Park and on and on. They are looking and listening. How many phone calls could or would a race track promoter answer anyway if everyone who had a complaint called them.;)

You are 100% correct. Sorry I mentioned it.