NASCAR eroding Indy's greatness
 

http://espn.go.com/racing/nascar/cup...ding-more-year

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I guess Ed Hinton isn't a NASCAR fan :3:

" But no, hell, no, the strip-mining of this place's dignity goes on and on, like the garish droning of the cars that stumbled round and round again on Sunday, in the 18th running of motor racing's answer to a herd of buffalo stampeding down the hardwood hallways of a palace, slipping and sliding. "

Now that's just plain funny there.........:5:

Imagine how big a flame war we could have here if we start talking about how bad things were BEFORE the NASCAR show.
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"And with NASCAR came all its commercial vulgarity, e.g., the practice of selling traditional race names to corporate sponsors."

As opposed to Indy Car, which next Sunday will run the Honda Indy 200 at Mid-Ohio.:17:

Blah blah blah...

In reading that, did anyone else notice the jab conpairing the eroding the greatness of the Indy motor speedway to a local Dirt Track?

The speedway lost its luster a long time ago, but it sure wasnt NASCARs fault. To blame the problems the speedway is having in the past number of years on NASCAR is completely assanine. Racetracks are for racing
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Last time I was at the Speedway, Bettenhausen was hanging by the fence chatting with people, Signing autographs ect when he wasn't in the car. Everyone else was standing next to the car, Stiff as a board with their back to the fans, That or at the hospitality trailer expecially for them and their sponsors.

Indy car needed no help degrading itself. They did a good enough job on their own ignoring the fans and their heritage. They need a dozen BC's who at least can recognize a thousand people who live in Indiana!.

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I don't believe The Speedway has lost any of it's luster. It's the same classy lady she's been for a very long time. What has lost it's luster is many of the people and entities that govern, control and participate there. And that's aside from NASCAR racing there. At the time NASCAR came to IMS they needed Indy more than Indy needed them. 7 or 8 years later that role had reversed. What's going on with NASCAR being at Indy now is an embarrassment to both but to abandon the NASCAR weekend completely would be an even bigger embarrassment to both. I believe the crowds will continue to dwindle, too.

I too found the dirt track reference a bit of a cheap shot..............to dirt tracks.

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"In degrading this once-hallowed place down to dirt-track level" WTH? Felt like not only a potshot at dirt tracks, but also the dirt track drivers who work so hard to make it to Indy.

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"In degrading this once-hallowed place down to dirt-track level".

Obviously he never spent much time back in the '70's in the snake pit!:15::3:

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... or the 1980's.... :16

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It's a shame that it only took this fat tub of Goo seventeen years to figure it out.

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I say save our anger for ED Flood their email box with your thoughts on his stupid comments as the asked at end of article!

Ed Hinton is a senior writer for ESPN.com. He can be reached at edward.t.hinton@espn.com.

Lets enjoy our rights as well put him in his spot! :11;

Danny 24

I would like to treat this idiot to a weekend of real racing. I think Bloomington, putnamville, and konkomo would change his opinion of what dirt track racing is. I think all the heat from the asphalt has went to his head. As for indy, it's prestige has been long gone, not due to NASCAR or any other race series, but because to be honest it's a boring place to watch a race. And the racing itself is never very good.
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Theres awesome racing to be had in Indiana, and anymore it's not IndyCars. The cars themselves are incredible but the actual racing is pretty poor, and the only excitment is who is mad at whom and for what. 410 Sprints are the ultimate lets get it on and race cars there are, and midgets are right up there too but not quite the cats ass for someone who wants the ultimate in race machine's 410's and Speedwaybikes, lets get it the :21: on. Nascar hasnt diminished Indy, the marching on of time and "progress" has.

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Folks, Ed Hinton is a sprint car fan. I don't know how many traditional sprint races he's seen, but many years ago, when he was at The National Sports Daily, at my suggestion, he covered the Knoxville Nationals, and wrote a great story for The National.

I guess Mr. Hinton forgot about the Whittington brothers and Mrs. Hulman's concern for all the flowerbeds when he wrote the article. ...and the loss of the true Snake Pit.

Let's be realistic: the glamor of the Speedway was all about the event and not just the race.
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If you want a truer barometer of Indy Car's erosion, just look at all the empty seats at Milwaukee for this year's race at the Mile. Or the 0.8 rating that race got on ABC. Or note that last weekend, Formula 1, a circuit with zero American drivers and no US races--at least not this year--had the German Gran Prix on Fox, while the Indy race from Edmonton was on obscure cable network Versus.
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No go figure how it is that the two suppossedly premiere series in the world have the most processional one lined racing there is. The more you apply technology to go fast, the worse the racing gets. Been that way since I seen the first plywood wing, then the factory chassis and now crate engines and such. Plus like I said a thousand times if your "racing" to save fuel or tires you aint really racing anyhow, or if my guys can change a tire faster then yours, I'm a better racer, lol.

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Brickyard 400 attendance becoming major concern.
http://www.ibj.com/the-score/2011/08...AMS/post/28624

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The Indy Car oval races sure don't seem to be one-lane affairs. The road and street courses, on the other hand...:17:

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i think with the addition of double file restarts the road and street racing this year has been well above board! it has been down right exciting! just my opinion....

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But how many road and street course restarts have there been this season where only the first row or two actually restarted double-file?

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Ok I'll give you that one.

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indy lost its luster when it turned its back on american dirt track sprint car n midget racers in lieu of foreigners with suit cases full of $$$$/ i've no desire to go there