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USAC telling drivers not torun at North Verno
I know USAC told a couple of drivers that they'd be penalized for running North Vernon. DD being one of them. My question is this;
When you drive race cars for a living and a sanctioning body says no go on running a non sanctioned event, does the sanctioning body provide the driver with a stipend for not running ? It just seems to me that if you want drivers to race just for you, that they deserve something in return. In these tough economic times ,it has to be hard to turn down a shot at $3000 . |
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I never realized USAC held that much power over the drivers. What would they have done to a team owner that took a car to N. Vernon last night? I'm not pleased with this rule. I'm just a fan maybe attended a dozen races a year so I don't post much and understand that my opinion doesn't mean much to USAC, but I bet the Tracks like take my ticket, beer, and hot dog money.
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Drivers used to get around this with different rides than their USAC car and often using ficticious names.
I could see it being hard for a driver, Expecially one who races for a living to miss. The USAC teams however, Not so much. That three grand woudln't pay the wear and tear as with about any event. Its all about bragging rights. |
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lol. Where do you think the term "Outlaw" for drivers came from? USAC and AAA before them have a tradition of doing this although not in recent memory as the "Outlaws" became predominant. These drivers are in good company.
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I understand that a team owner running ISW points doesn't want to run @ a non-sanctioned track during ISW. However, as a fan if I see a team show up at a track like North Vernon during ISW i'm quickly becoming a fan of theirs. If a owner has a pair big enough to do that I'm a T-shirt buyer. I know this is the "outlaw" way. All of these thoughts are just MHO, I enjoy watching racers, guys racing out of their own pocket, I appreciate them and what they stand for. "Bragging rights" hell yes, let'em have it, until the next night of racing.
P.S. Chris I really appreciate your updates. Thanks |
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You never like seeing less drivers, but the minute that TCRP started billing this race as "North Vernon Sprint Week", they were just daring USAC to enforce this rule that they started last year. And that they did. However, I think if they would have made this $5000 to win, like real Sprint Week races are, you might have seen a few more takers.
Jerry |
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I like Chris' question as well, because I do know the Outlaws fall under a rule similar to this, however, they get a considerable check for showing up at each event. Case and point, Bill Rose, they make more to roll through the gate at each Outlaw event than a typical USAC race pays to start.. unless something has changed??
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From what Bill has told me, you are correct. He's paid tow money, then top 15 in points $, both higher than USAC start $ before a wheel ever hits the track.
The USAC rule is simple, if north Vernon had a USAC race, any USAC race, on it's schedule this season then all the boys could come play without being penalized. The money Windom, Clauson, Dd, and others would make in one night there is far less than the national driver point fund would pay even for finishing 10th on the year. The risk, doesn't outweigh the reward unfortunately tho, the fans bear this cost as well by not seeing the cream of the crop. Posted using Mobile Device |
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people want big events then when USAC tries to protect those big events, in this case Sprint Week, people get upset because the drivers and teams don't show up for a race that pays less and is basically trying to steal a spot on the biggest sprint car "week" in Indiana. And comparing USAC and WoO is the old apples and oranges bit. WoO is a true national series and pays tow money to a certain amount of "regulars". I am sure the extra money is quickly ate up by the fuel bill just getting to each race. Notice how many tracks cannot afford a WoO show anymore, not many tracks in Indiana could afford the high purses and sanction fees WoO charge (witness the amount or lack of WoO races here or even reasonablly closeby) and therefore USAC can't raise purses etc beyond what tracks can afford. The rule also helps guarantee the top drviers and top teams will be at the USAC races and only those races therefore making them special and therefore a true racing event....... and you can say get a sponsor at the race track, sanction or whatever to raise the purses but good luck with that in these times of economic trouble. Even sponsors who love the sport can't afford to do do it right now..... be glad we have an awesome Sprint Week and support THOSE races and tracks who PAY the extra to be part of it....
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Good for USAC. It only effects a handful of drivers,and it protects the series. As bad as North Vernon ran the race in April I am surprised any teams that were there would come back.
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I might be wrong but I do not think USAC pays out any extra money for the ISW points deal. That seems kind of BS if you ask me. Hell even the KISS Series has a point fund payout. Being ISW champ is a cool deal but there needs payout for the top 10 at the end of it all.
As far as the rule of not racing at a track that does not have a USAC race during the year? That is fine if the drivers are compensated. I do not think they are. This rule is for the benefit of USAC and does nothing for the drivers. I so wish another group would come to town and give USAC a run for their money. The poster that mentioned USAC is not a national series is right but USAC would tell you different. Once again I might be wrong but being a USAC midget, Sprint, or SC Champ really is not paid that much at the end of the year. I think most the money is wrapped up in the overall USAC champ. Once again drivers get the short end of the stick. USAC is the only game in town for now. Hopefully that will change some day and a group that actually cares about it's drivers takes them over. - |
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Plus Dave needs to think that this could hurt his chances in the IRL :2:
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I think your missing the point.Where are all the owners and drivers that ***** about races not pay anything to win.You had a perfect chance to bring your car out NOT race against "big dollar teams" and 21 cars show up.Maybe next year it should pay 500 hundred to win,so forty cars show up.
PS Thanks to all the drivers and teams that showed up and raced:8::8: |
I believe there is a Sprint Week point fund.
Don't blame USAC for certain drivers not showing up last night. Everyone had to decide what is in their best interest. Was it better to stay loyal to USAC & compete for the NDC fund? Or to run an extra race in the middle of an already hectic week? If the same 30 or so drivers that raced for a USAC Sprint Week purse that paid $5,000 to win, $425 to start & $100 tow show up at another race in the middle of Sprint Week that pays far less ($3,000 to win, $200 to start) they risk USAC losing the ability to get the larger Sprint Week purse from the existing Sprint Week promoters. |
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I have a question.....what has happened to TCRP?
We used to love going to North Venon.....the AMSA hasn't run there in almost two years and this season the MMSA wasn't on their schedule. They had three weekends where their own 1000cc class was listed but I'm not sure what ended up happing with those. Don't want to hijack your topic, just curious as to why TCRP seems to have become a track for Stocks and Hornets. |
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This seems to come up every year, but this is the way the rule works. If a driver is competing for the USAC National Driver point fund, you cannot run a same series race within the time period or within a certain distance. Please understand that most of us would race 7 nights a week if we could. Heck, Im going to Sun Prairie Sunday after Haubstadt. But if we all showed up to a race in the middle of Sprint Week for 3K to win, why would the Sprint Week promoters pay us more? And what did the race pay for 2nd on back? I doubt it payed 425 to start. Yes, we want bigger paying races but supporting smaller paying races right in the middle of 7 bigger paying races does not help get the purses up.
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Originally Posted by Phylo82: |
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Okay, I am going join in even though I tried to stay out. Does anyone know the FACTS of why USAC and Twin Cities qiut playing together? I cannot recall all the history of sprint week, but I remember Indiana Sprint Week :9: used to kick off at Twin Cities. Yes I got spoiled, I live in Seymour and can be at the track in 15 minutes:31: What happened?!?! Someone needs to get to the bottom of this for the fans!! Is it Twin Cities or USAC or BOTH, lets work together to resolve this!!!!!!!:2:
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Originally Posted by Sprints!: Danny 24 |
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Originally Posted by Dannypollock24: |
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Originally Posted by mortboyz: Danny 24 |
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Does USAC award tracks ISW dates, or is it based on admission to the good ole' boys club by the promotors that are already part of ISW? If a track wants an ISW date but is not allowed to have one for either of those reasons, then I don't see any problem with promotors like Joe Spiker, Keith Ford, or Mason Fleetwood scheduling some races with a bigger purse during this same time.
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So is Dave Assillson out of the picture now? If so, who would be calling the shots? I am sure this could eventually get worked out with cooler heads for the fans,drivers,etc. I would be willing to do what I could to make this happen again, just need to know who to talk to.
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if Twin Cities wanted to do something for the racers then they should have ran this race on a weekend USAC didn't run or on a weeknight that wouldn't have been a conflict. They clearly ran it to try to bootleg a Sprint Week race while pay a lower purse and no sanction fee.
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Just wish people that post these things would get all the facts right. Congrats to Justin Grant for the win !!!
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Allison still owns/promotes twin cities doesnt he
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Originally Posted by Wallsracing: |
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Originally Posted by Dannypollock24: |
Originally Posted by jim goerge: Posted via Mobile Device |
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the promotor is not much better than Allison, not tosmart
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