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That's because Joe Spiker is a Good Guy and can show some Class!

Joe will get it next year the track shows it as he poured his heart and soul into that place he has more than earned a Sprint Week Show!

Danny 24

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but usac say it is up to the other promoters so who knows

So let the fans decide instead of the promoters who will never let LPS have a sprint week date! Since when do the promoters run USAC. Isn't Mr. Spiker a promoter also?
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When Indiana Sprint Week first started, USAC wasn't involved. I believe that is why the promoters hold the cards on who gets a date and not USAC.

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That's nice of the other promoters to take things against a track when it was a ex promoter that they all were against!

After all his hard work and dedication to the racing community Joe Spiker gets this

I have lost respect to them other promoters and will only support LPS from here on out until they vote back in one of the best dirt tracks in Indiana LPS!

Others that feel the same should too! That's my opinion!

Danny 24

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Just out of curiosity, who do you think should lose a race to allow LPS to get a date?

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Why have someone lose a date, could another race be added to the series? I've been both Midget Week races there and believe that a Sprint Week date would be a nice addition to the series.

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They run 7 races in 9 days already. Adding another race is asking alot of the teams.

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That's not my call so I have no answer. I merely was posting MY OPINION!

That Spiker and LPS deserves a date and It's time for LPS to be back on the schedule as It has always been along with other tracks still on the schedule!

They don't have to drop a track they can add a race and extend it and extend a extra day off! They can do that I'm not talking about this year as it's to late but next year!

As for what track to lose a race I thought about all of them and I think they are all great tracks and deserve the exposure and glad they are getting it!

I believe if there was a poll asking Sprint car drivers if LPS should be back in you would see they Agree!


Danny 24

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Am I wrong but wasn"t this talked about right after USAC came out with their schedule? Now here we are half way though the year at 6 months and some people are just now pissed off about it. Where have they been ? Its to late now to cry about it.I don:t think any track should be dropped and from talking to some teams they don:t want another date added cuz of cost and extra work . Someone said they will only support LPS thats fine then by all means do it But quit ragging on the other tracks!I am so tired of this crap of my track is better than yours its just plain stupid and needs to stop :20:

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Watching and reading I see some people who didn't see the stuff months ago about this and the TH paper restirred the dog up.
Yes LPS should be a part of ISW as they were one of the 4 tracks that started Sprintweek. The local tracks started the series and it did fine on it's own. USAC took over the sanction but the track operators still rule the roost.
LPS has ruffled some feathers with it's Phoenix rise from the DA days.

Spiker has increased the payout, added dirt to the track, rebuilt the front wall, added over 2000 feet of drainage from turn 3 to outside of turn 2, rebuilt the concession stands on both sides, fixed the crappers, added gravel in the pits, rebuilt the pit tower, added current billboards, moved seating to the turn 4 hill, fixed the P.A, rewired the lights so they don't cut out every hot summer night and more.
This all on his own dollars not tax or town dollars that some tracks get.

Can LPS be added to ISW yes it can and so should Paragon the other founding track.

How many people have to pick one week or the other for vaction or make plans to come from the west coast? Alot. It is Sprintweek so it should start and race until it's finished. Doesn't that happen with Ohio Sprintweek and others?

Sure it's hard on the teams but ISW is their Indy 500/ Daytona event. I think car count from the west coast would rise cause they know they can come back for 2 weeks and race with the best and maybe be the champion.

I know that USAC promised LPS a date in 2011 and renigged on the deal due to pressure from the other tracks. Nobody wants their pie to get smaller. LPS upheld their end of the deal in 2010 and even added the July race to romance USAC a little more.

Look at the number of campers that show up for the series, it's strong and could be stronger. Why would other tracks jump on the Monday/Tuesday that is off if there wasn't fans and cars that wanted to race?

USAC could say that LPS is added in 2011 if they want to or run that Tuesday as the rain date for May 7th and not give ISW points. But that won't happen. Next Year???? that's a possibilty.

LPS has a great weekly program for their 4 classes that has good racing in all classes. Go out and try it some Saturday and check it out if you haven't already.

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yes lps was one of the first four tracks for sprint week but once usac got involved lps droped out (farrar days) said his track could survive without usac,and it did, usac didnt come back to lps until bill hopton took it over,and if i recall right thats how the putnamville clash started farrar went head to head with a usac show and drew more cars? anyway if a local non wing track wants on sprintweek they should be able too,give them a good payday like the others, just my two cents :deadhorse:

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Wow, I posted that the promotors started ISW and it was non usac for years. That brownstown had petitioned for two years prior to getting the old Kamp Date.

But that thread was deleted or bashed to deletion. So Thats all I have to say.

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Just a question? Why did you have to take a shot at other tracks while posting this? Im sure everyone is happy Spiker put up some money, Both for the track and improvements.

Shows true Favoratisim on a site thats INDIANA Openwheel, Not LPS INC

BTW, Im not against LPS getting a date, I've made the trip to LPS two or three times a year several years before and after DA. It took spiker to bring me back after my one DA experience.

Chuck, who'll be surprised if this survives the LPS CENSORS.

What about the track that doesn't run a weekly sprint car program! Doesn't quite make sense to give a date to a non sprint car track like brownstown over a track that runs an awesome weekly sprint program.
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I ain't gettin in on this pizzin match, but I agree that LPS oughta be back on the Sprintweek schedule.

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I looked at D.O.'s post now many times and I see nothing said against another track! He did mention adding a ISW Forgotten track Paragon not just LPS!

As far as saying Spiker put some money into it shows you have not been there at all! Try actually going and you will see that some money turns out to be a **** Load of money!

This is a LPS Thread so it will show Favoratisim!


Danny 24, Who knows you and others will bash me anyway! Enjoy!

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So I wasn't at the USAC Midget Week when DD was classing the field before jumping the cushion. Then went out and did it again in the sprint?
So I wasn't at the Fall USAC Sprint date when JS diamonded a slickie, Little Shu Broke just after taking the lead and Jones Rim rode the whole time?

So I wasn't planning on attending the fall USAC even this year.

The Shot was that other tracks had everything given to them. WHile some of this is true, Im sure the tracks like Kokomo. Tri State ect that built it themselves would take some offense. All Im saying is its not helping the case for getting LPS on by attacking the others.

I like you Danny but that was just wrong. I've been going to LPS for 25 years, Used to take my ex Fiance there back in the early 90s. Its good to see the track better than ever.

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I think the past two USAC shows at Brownstown speak for themselves.

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Chuck, I like you too but it was wrong of you to say Spiker has put some money into that place and you yourself seen it is a lot of money!

That's why I said that because there are still a lot of anti LPS people out there that we want to know LPS IS BACK AND BETTER THAN EVER!!!

Sorry I upset you!

Danny 24

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Charles I'm taking a shot at anybody just stating a fact. I know a lot of tracks have upgraded things with help from sponsorship. O Conner's spent their own money to rebuild Kokomo into what it is today. It seems that The Burg was rebuilt as well at the Fairgrounds by the city. So the money comes from various places. That isn't a shot but fact.

This thread is about LPS in the TH paper. How is that LPS Inc.? I read post about just about everything on IOW and not all are about something in Indiana. If you check today there are threads about Cali, Arziona, Milwaukee, Oswego mixed in with the Indiana threads.

We all have seen times were the tracks post info and some turn into my track is better than your track. Who gives a shitz???? Love and support your local track and if you find a reason or a race to go to another track, go and enjoy your night.

The question about Brownstown is a good one. How many USAC races have they had? How many weekly sprint races do they hold? Does it belong in ISW? Well the ISW group thought so along with USAC. so their in the deal.

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The point of my asking Danny where the date would come from had nothing to do with whether LPS was worthy to have a date. I went to LPS for the first time last year and loved it. If you read my second post, I am concerned about the teams running 7 races in 9 days. That is a heck of alot of travel and racing for the teams. By the time they get to Haubstadt, the cars, drivers and crews are worn out. Adding another date to ISW would put an extra burden on the teams. That's my concern, not the political peeing matches that break out about what track is worthy to host a date. Maybe my first post should have spelled it out better.

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Joe, Come back and see it now and you will enjoy it even more words can't say how great it truly is now! That's why I so strongly voice myself about the place!

It really sucks for me to watch because I never in 9 years of racing there I have never seen the track so nice and smooth I had always had the rough ride that makes hand controls twice as hard to drive! I hope the Prilosec Sponsorship I'm winning gets me back on track! Just 27 days of voting left!

Danny 24

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Danny, I have every intention of visiting Putnamville again this year. It is a great track. Since I have seemed to stir up the pot, I might as well get this off my chest too. Couldn't they schedule ISW so that teams are not going back and forth across the state? Gas City, Kokomo and then Lawrenceburg seems ok. But Terre Haute, Brownstown, Bloomington Haubstadt seems a little odd. Since they are already in the south east part of the state, does it really make sense to drive to Terre Haute, and turn around and drive nearly back to where you were before? I know that certain tracks want certain days based on when they normally race, but that seems like a bunch of extra travel.

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I agree back and forth is nuts when they could make the tour easier to follow for teams and fans! I think the reason is due to the days tracks run and the scheduling of the races As you see it's pretty hard to get people to agree!

Danny 24

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Does lps really need isw no lps has to put up big money to get it.Personally i think lps should raise their purse have its own big race and the racing would be better than a usac race anyway.I think lps could pull in a good field of cars and a good size crowd ive been to usac races this year and lps the racing has been alot better at lps .

I couldn't agree more. They pay USAC a huge check with tons of admin fees when they should bypass USAC and have their own great race. They never cone out ahead on a USAC race but end up money lost!!!
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No we don't have to have ISW But many of us do want It! Spiker has raised the the purse already! All we can do is wait and see what happens next season I believe LPS will get in next year!

Danny 24

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I would like to see LPS get a sprint week date. I would also like to see a requirement to get one that you cannot race sprint cars during the sprintweek time frame other than your night. This dosen't just apply to LPS, I have seen other tracks do it. I have attended Sprintweek since it evolved from the old Tri Track Championship. It was not much of an event until USAC sanction was added. I don't think it is broke, so why fix it.

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T. Funk the only problem with not running against the other ISW dates is the tracks that would get a during the week date that run a Fri/Sat weekly show. They would not run sprints two nights. But an ISW date should be worth it. Also it should be require that all ISW date only get 1 support class or Focus maybe.

Maybe ISW should become a bidding for the events. Pay the most and pick your day. That would be interesting to see what tracks would step up. Might increase travel but would grow the series and it's stature.

The old days before support classes, USAC use to blow into a track and they were the only class and downtime short and sweet. They were King and put on a show worthy each time. Remember Terre Haute on a summer day, chusin and no dust watching Parnelli, A,J, Herk, Branson, Larson and the boys from the infield. Cars pitted in the infield so between races you could watch or talk with the drivers and crews.

Anyway it's a great event each year and needs to grow, paying more to the drivers.

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I agree.

I was very disappointed when LPS was left out. My reason... Indiana Sprint week is truly one of the greatest sprint car events in the US. It is unlike any other "big show" type events.

Why is it one of the greatest. It isn't the fans. Its not the track. It isn't the promoters. And its not USAC. The competitors make this a great event. Their intensity level during this week is higher than at any time during the year. This intensity is witnessed by both fans and promoters each night of SW. It is this intense competition that makes the racing an "event" and not just a group of big shows.

I think its a good thing that tracks want to be a part of it now. It is evidence of how great ISW is and that growth is available. I'm of the opinion that no matter how great something is, it can always be better. Instead of dragging other tracks down, how bout we make it better. It will benefit everyone involved.
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Danny I think what some people are saying is that yes LPS Shouldget a ISW sate becausef it is a nice place yes has dam good racing yes to the improvements all that not to because Spiker spent a ton of money Hell he had to fix a lot of things most of them the old promoter (DA) wouldn:t Hope that makes sence cuz I lost myself lol

For those of you saying that ISW is too tough on the teams already, you should take a look at the late model Summer Nationals schedule. They race over 25 nights in around 30 days. They also race in 8 different states durring that time. So while ISW might be difficult it could still be worse. I say the more races that ISW has the better.

Let the bashing begin. :-)
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I understand the competition for the ISW dates, but there seems to be a lot of leeway for other classes on big nights too. As time has gone on, I think that maybe ISW could spread out a bit for the schedule. If you can perhaps add Paragon and LPS to the slate, spread out the whole schedule over a full two weeks and go Thur through Sunday, the first week and then go Wed through Sunday the second week and finish it with a Sunday afternoon show at Terre Haute for a big show! That would put a special emphasis on a historic track for the culmination of a series that is second-to-none. Even better is that a cable channel like SPEED or Versus could come in and shoot video and have the time to produce a quality show that could air a week later if need be.
Just an idea, but it would give crews a break in the middle to take a breath and work on the cars and work their regular jobs too. I'm sure I'm crazy, but man it would be awesome!

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donnie dont say that lt model word or you will get bashed like chris does on here. :5:

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I believe Sprint Week actually started out as Indiana Tri Track in the early 80's or before. Pretty sure it was Bloomington, Putnamville and Paragon. Then, I think Kokomo was added and the name changed to Sprint Week. I agree Putnamville should get back in and if one had to go it should be Brownstown since they don't normally run sprint cars, although the races have been good there. They could increase the purses and just run more nights but it might drag out too long and become watered down. Another option would be to rotate among all the tracks from year to year. This makes it fair to everyone and keeps it fresh for the fans. I believe there shouldn't be any support classes for any sprint week date. Just once a year couldn't we see a sprint car show the way it's supposed to be. I remember going to SW at bloomington and there was 64 sprint cars and we still had to sit through stock cars. I'd rather hear driver interviews after each heat and maybe some former drivers or car owners or the trophy girl or just quiet time! Anything but stock cars.

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Not bashing, How many teams actually follow the whole thing? Last time I seen it was like five??????? They are big money races drawing teams in the area going for the purse.

That being said and its kinda hijacking but not meant too. PA Storm had 40 lap six grand to win races, Took the count from 18 last year to 30 plus this year.

Seems to me we go to dozens of Indiana USAC races and can never get a 40-50 lapper. Expeically on the small bull rings.

If they ran one class put a few higher paying shows, Would that draw more Cali and other teams? A five dollar increase in gate price could do it and honestly 30 or fourty bucks on top of a full week of travel isn't going to kill the deal

I agree with Bill, the problem Sprint week has right now is theres NO REASON TO TRY TO MAKE IT BETTER

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13 teams followed the whole tour last year Chuck, average car count of 38 for the tour.

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If you want to see the 40 lappers so badly then you should plan ahead and do the Eastern Swing next year.

30 laps is plenty for me.