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:15:Seems like a very down year for Lburg. ISW is the only big sprint show. No O'reilly Allstars, no Outlaws, no NRA Invaders. (the Invaders put on a fabulous show 3 years ago and have never been back) Go ahead and rip me for bitchin, but sitting through 45 modifides to watch 3 sprint races involving 17 cars is pure torture for me. Why don't they bump up the sprint purse for the IMW race so the Midget drivers bring their Sprint Cars? To me, that makes no sense. The track announcer begs the fans to stay for the stock car and Mini Sprint features because few fans want to see them. The Burg is turning into a Modified track and that is a sad fact. Their online schedule stinks. It's no wonder the car count is so low. There's no way for the teams to see the details on upcoming races until it's too late to plan for it. The Dick Gaines memorial used to be a big event but not now. And no, I do not know anything about any of the financial aspects of putting on big races. Just a fading fan.

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I too would like to see a bigger count, However to me the racings never been better :)

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I hope 55 Modifieds show up every week from here on out. And I pray that Dave runs them first to reward them for supporting his track. Take care of the ones that take care of you

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It's a motor and car eater. The weekly racer has a hard time running places like that. Throw in Waynsfield and the 'Burg has some pretty serious headwinds to offset.

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Originally Posted by LEADERS EDGE:
It's a motor and car eater. The weekly racer has a hard time running places like that. Throw in Waynsfield and the 'Burg has some pretty serious headwinds to offset.

We raced 2 seasons with no rebuild on our motor just fine. Lately its been eating alot of tires when it slicks off though.

Dave no matter what you do someone will *****.. When the tracks heavy its all about motor so us locals can't run with the big teams and plus there isn't as much passing.. The only reason we ate up tires last week is because all the midgets plus us lade down rubber, when it's slick you can pass on it and it's also easy on the motors, and most fans dont see that why have it heavy and rough on that big of a track someone will just get Hurt and if you don have a big motor you better stay home
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Wasnt bitchin just saying it wasn't a motor eater like everyone seems to think, and it would be nice with a little more moisture on the track. Last years Mel Johnson classic was great until the rain came.

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I have only ran Lawrenceburg once a year since 09 but this past week we decided to come down for the IMW race and had a good time! It was very hard on tires... but with the weather and the softer tire midgets hopefully that was a one time deal! We will be back this weekend!

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Mr. Hayes,

ISW IS NOT THE ONLY "BIG" SPRINT SHOW....we had an April USAC Event scheduled, but guess what, Mother Nature won that one. Also, we have already had an MSCS Show, and also the double header MSCS/USAC Race scheduled October.
In regards to O'Reilly & WOO, these events have to be able to pay for themselves, so if you would like to be a $20,000 sponsor for either of these events, please let me know. However, we did try to schedule a WOO show this season, but the only date available was late October (for WOO) and that just isn't feasible in the midwest to schedule that kind of show not knowing if it will be 70 and sunny or 30 and raining that time of year.
In regards to payout and details, the payout for the events is posted on our website, That is the standard payout unless otherwise noted.

All I can tell ya, is come out to the race of your choice, invite some friends, and have a good time. Because, in the long run, it doesn't matter if it's big names, no names, new names, sanctions, ect. on the track, or how many of them there are, if the racing is good, it's good, if it's not, it's not.
Just my opinion...To each their own...

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Originally Posted by Chris Nunn:
I hope 55 Modifieds show up every week from here on out. And I pray that Dave runs them first to reward them for supporting his track. Take care of the ones that take care of you

If that happens you will have your choice of seats. Not enough modified fans to support two modified tracks within 30 minutes of each other. Lburg cannot survive without sprint cars. No reason to rant about the post, it's just facts. :32:

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I gave up on The 'Burg two years ago. They harrass you if you do not buy their beer, run to many classes (this can be said for other tracks as well) and just do not to be fan friendly, like a track like Bloomington is.

And ISW, they show total disrepect for the drivers and teams by running 3 and sometimes 4 classes. Do these people not realize that the teams have to pack up their cars and equipment and go on to the next track. Why do they have wait thru a bunch of support series when they need to race and get on the road?

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Originally Posted by Dyno Don:
I gave up on The 'Burg two years ago. They harrass you if you do not buy their beer, run to many classes (this can be said for other tracks as well) and just do not to be fan friendly, like a track like Bloomington is.

And ISW, they show total disrepect for the drivers and teams by running 3 and sometimes 4 classes. Do these people not realize that the teams have to pack up their cars and equipment and go on to the next track. Why do they have wait thru a bunch of support series when they need to race and get on the road?

Here ya go Don

YouTube...

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Originally Posted by Dyno Don:
I gave up on The 'Burg two years ago. They harrass you if you do not buy their beer, run to many classes (this can be said for other tracks as well) and just do not to be fan friendly, like a track like Bloomington is.

And ISW, they show total disrepect for the drivers and teams by running 3 and sometimes 4 classes. Do these people not realize that the teams have to pack up their cars and equipment and go on to the next track. Why do they have wait thru a bunch of support series when they need to race and get on the road?

I don't know what track you went to , but it sure wasn't L'BURG. Your the one that has to be home before 9 o'clock .

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Originally Posted by Chris Nunn:
I hope 55 Modifieds show up every week from here on out. And I pray that Dave runs them first to reward them for supporting his track. Take care of the ones that take care of you

wouldn't expect anything else but a post like this from you....I guess we could say you're like a Jehovah's Witness of Tin Tops over here proselytizing and passing out your "Watch Towers" on an Open Wheel site. JW's are relentless and, so are you......sigh

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Don, you always say "They" harrased you, but I've never heard the details. Please enlighten me.....But let me tell you some facts:

1. Per our type of permit it is against Indiana State Law to bring alcohol into a facility that sells it. (it all depends on your type of permit and if you are grandfathered in)

2. If you are in the fairgrounds parking lot drinking beer in your car, the local PD does have a right to check you out, it would no different if you were chugging buds in the grocery store parking lot, if they see you in a car that they feel you will be behind the wheel of, it's their job to ask. Not only are they protecting you, but all the others on the streets.

so, what in the world are you referring to???

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[QUOTE=Dyno Don;233183]I gave up on The 'Burg two years ago. They harrass you if you do not buy their beer, run to many classes (this can be said for other tracks as well) and just do not to be fan friendly, like a track like Bloomington is.

I've only been to the Burg 50 or 60 times since Bozo has taken over, but never has anyone said anything about drinking in the parking lot.I only watch sprintcars so I'm in the lot drinking my beer for warm-ups,mod heats and b mains and what other divisions they run AND THEY DON'T CARE so stop posting that it is an ISSUE DON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by Dyno Don:
I gave up on The 'Burg two years ago. They harrass you if you do not buy their beer, run to many classes (this can be said for other tracks as well) and just do not to be fan friendly, like a track like Bloomington is.

I've only been to the Burg 50 or 60 times since Bozo has taken over, but never has anyone said anything about drinking in the parking lot.I only watch sprintcars so I'm in the lot drinking my beer for warm-ups,mod heats and b mains and what other divisions they run AND THEY DON'T CARE so stop posting that it is an ISSUE DON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Right on, AERO!!! :9::9::9:

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Whats wrong with taking care of the drivers that support you en masse on a weekly basis? Kim I seen you liked what Cecil said...are you not happy with the amount of Modifieds you guys get? I encourage our guys at Brownstown to go run at the Burg when we dont race them. And im not an advocate for tin tops, im an advocate for RACING.

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Originally Posted by DHayes818:
:15:Seems like a very down year for Lburg. ISW is the only big sprint show. No O'reilly Allstars, no Outlaws, no NRA Invaders. (the Invaders put on a fabulous show 3 years ago and have never been back) Go ahead and rip me for bitchin, but sitting through 45 modifides to watch 3 sprint races involving 17 cars is pure torture for me. Why don't they bump up the sprint purse for the IMW race so the Midget drivers bring their Sprint Cars? To me, that makes no sense. The track announcer begs the fans to stay for the stock car and Mini Sprint features because few fans want to see them. The Burg is turning into a Modified track and that is a sad fact. Their online schedule stinks. It's no wonder the car count is so low. There's no way for the teams to see the details on upcoming races until it's too late to plan for it. The Dick Gaines memorial used to be a big event but not now. And no, I do not know anything about any of the financial aspects of putting on big races. Just a fading fan.

To answer your questions:
we have more big money non winged sprint cars than any other track in the country!!
The winged sprint shows was great in the past, just not enough winged fans to support them.
The Midget week show cost alot of money and to add more money to the sprint purse would mean higher gate prices.
The Dick Gaines race is the same payout each year!! no the purse is not on the schedule yet, that was my mistake. which will be fixed.
The Budweiser UMP Modifieds do put on a great show!!
We only run 3 classes at our events, i am not a back gate promotor!!
The October MSCS/USAC Race is $10,000 to win.

so thinking back to our schedule so far..
MSCS was $3000 to win, the KISS race was $2500 to win, the USAC race rained out and rescheduled race was rained out, i believe it payed $5,000 to win. This weekend race pays $2500 to win.
Not very many have been leaving after the sprint features, because the racing in other classes have been great!! I apologize to you for not being able to watch other classes of cars entertain you. You are missing out!!
In the end i am very proud of what we offer at Lawrenceburg. I will not let a few of you complainers bother me one bit. I get emails daily, facebook post and people in person who love what we do.
I am always open to suggestions via email. Not on a message board.
my email is rpmproductions@comcast.net
it is very clear to me that this is a attack from alot on here that support another track because we effect thier home track. I will not stoop to that level, and will continue to do what we do..........SELL FUN!!
Hope you all have a great weekend at the races wherever you go.
Sincerely, Dave Rudisell

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Amen Dave

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[QUOTE=Dyno Don;233183]I gave up on The 'Burg two years ago. They harrass you if you do not buy their beer, run to many classes (this can be said for other tracks as well) and just do not to be fan friendly, like a track like Bloomington is.

I have been attending races at Lawrenceburg Speedway and the motorcycle track (along side the Speedway) since 1962 and have yet to be harrass by the police, management, or anyone else connected with these tracks for anything. I am sure there are plenty of other attendees that can say the same thing. DynoDon did you ever think "you" might be the problem and not the track personnel. Keep up the good work Dave and Kim as you have been doing.:6:

REH

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Man, there sure is a lot of hate for the "support classes". Some of the best races that I've seen have been in modified, super stock and bomber classes. Hell, I don't even mind the hornets. Personally, I really appreciate that those guys are out there running their asses off for anywhere from $200 to $600 to win. Anyway, carry on. :44:

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Originally Posted by Chris Nunn:
Whats wrong with taking care of the drivers that support you en masse on a weekly basis? Kim I seen you liked what Cecil said...are you not happy with the amount of Modifieds you guys get? I encourage our guys at Brownstown to go run at the Burg when we dont race them. And im not an advocate for tin tops, im an advocate for RACING.

Nothings wrong with supporting the mods. By why do you dump on the Sprint cars when doing so?

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Originally Posted by hupp#9:
Dave no matter what you do someone will *****.. When the tracks heavy its all about motor so us locals can't run with the big teams and plus there isn't as much passing.. The only reason we ate up tires last week is because all the midgets plus us lade down rubber, when it's slick you can pass on it and it's also easy on the motors, and most fans dont see that why have it heavy and rough on that big of a track someone will just get Hurt and if you don have a big motor you better stay home
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I think it was by far easier to pass on opening night when the track was heavy than it has been ever since.

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I dont dump on Sprint Cars ever. Sprint Cars are what ive grown up on. Kevin Huntley was my babysitter of all people. My grandma made cookies for Jeff Gordon because "he couldnt race at Bloomington without having one of her Sugar Cookies". Knowing that Gordon used to come over and help my uncle work on his "tintop" before they went to Bloomington to race is a pretty cool deal, even if he could barely see over the roof.

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Three classes a night is a pretty good number. Last Saturday at Waynesfield there were 5 classes and two make-up features. It was after 12:30am when we left the track. I think I pulled in the driveway around 2:45am.....that's a long night.

As for L'Burg, I think they do a pretty good job with their schedule.....it's been a rough year weather-wise and the extended down-turn in the economy isn't helping matters.

im a wing guy ! Love non wings to but really enjoy the wings so i think it stinks! But i do understand indiana just isnt a wing state! On the other hand all those who bash the wings dont come to bloomington for the woo show cause there wont be a place to sit!! Also i beleive the dick gaines race two years was great if i serve corectly they all ran two heat races and lineuped a by passing points. And paid 10,000 .... Great night of racing wish they raced for passing points every week!!
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I am confused? Here I am reading this thread and I read about needing a big motor, not paying enough, blah blah blah. We have all heard this last year and the year before. I would like to put a racer's perspective one this.

I find it hilarious that The Burg has the largest winners purse on a weekly basis plus the largest overall payout yet this arguement remains. Dave works his butt off to make sure we all get treated fairly and redid his pay structure from last year to accomodate everybody. Plus, never has he ever cut his pay regardless of car count.

As well as the big motor debate. Last year all I had was one Dash 12 motor. No All Pro or even a back up. Yet I ran The Burg on a weekly basis plus Gas City Friday and Kokomo the next day. Heck, my first win EVER came at the burg with the Dash 12. Can we drop this one finally? All of us are sick of it.

The "Big Races" issue: Raise your hand if you went to watch those races. Dave is a business man. If people aren't going to show up to watch, he won't ask the series to come back. If you want to see it, go out and see it. Don't blame Dave for deciding to cut races off the schedule that don't make money. He has a business to run.

As for the complaint about not being fan friendly... seriously? The front stretch redraw, the tee-shirt gun, the themed nights, the bikini contest! All of those take place for the fans. Plus the racing. The staff there is some of the nicest and best in the land. I'm sorry if you don't like Bud Light, but when the track is being sponsered by the Budweiser it is their duty to sell it. I hear they have some lovely sodas and water for sale there as well.

I also saw a modified argument on here. Why? They put on a great show week in and week out. I love being able to watch some of their races. Why are we all hot and bothered because they show up and put on a good show? Don't fans want to see that? I know when I leave the suit at home I enjoy watching them. Grab some Buds (or ice cold Cokes in my case), sit down, relax, and enjoy the show.

All this leaves now is the tires arguement. This one holds some water, tires are chewed up down there. But, I'm sorry, do people really believe this is Dave's master plan? To destroy the tires of all his loyal supporters. Dave has heard all this already and I'm sure in more polite and constructive ways. I am also sure that he is looking into solving this issue ASAP while keeping the racing good.

I hope this covers everything that has been or will be mentioned. If not, I hear Kroger has some lovely cheese for that whine... sorry, I meant wine.

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I have never left Lawrenceburg being dissapointed in 4 yrs now and I go alot. I have canceled all my tix to Eldora( which is much closer) because of the genuine great racing and fan friendly experience at the Burg. The company I work for and myself now do most of our racing entertaining at the Burg now instead of Eldora. Dave and Kim know how to treat fans and have a awesome venue to show off.

I consider it the premier facility in the tri-state, complimented by the Rudisells! We will be there this Saturday night with 2 new people and 2 other people we introduced to lburg last year that have gave up on Eldora as well!

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I have run L'burg twice, once with a wing, once without, I loved it, both times, Racing is going to use up your equipment, period. If you bought new tires that you didn't want to chew up, then sell your race car and do something else with your time. I have seen far too many posts on this site bashing the heck out of every track for not doing this or that or why do car counts suffer, mostly from fans, We drivers/ owners/ promoters know what it takes too put on a show for all the fans, money, and a lot of it, racing on any local level is more likely than not a losing venture, but we punish ourselves in order to race week in week out, for ourselves but mostly for the fans. I moved from WI 2 years ago and I cannot even put into perspective how awesome it is that there is more than one track running sprint cars Friday nights, and Saturday nights, and sometimes even Sunday, I came from a series that had 1 track to run Friday night and 1 track Saturday, and very often those were the only 2 tracks that ran sprints in the entire state! And god forbid it rained one or both nights, because you didn't even have an option to run at a different track so there you sat, all weekend. My example is this, I was on hwy 46 heading towards Bloomington last year and they cancelled because of the heat, so instead of going home, I turned onto 37 north and went to Gas City. Then this year, I was going to run Paragon, and surprise, it rained, so I kept straight on 231 left on 40 and wound up at LPS. I could keep going because its happened to me a half dozen times or more as a fan and driver/owner, but I think most of you get the point, L'burg is just another one of Indiana's options for a sprint car, modified etc to run, I understand car counts have suffered at L'burg but by the end of this year and even next year, all racing car counts are going to be down, tracks will shut down, and fans will be upset, but sitting on a computer crying about every little thing doesn't put your butt in a seat and your money in a track operators hand to distribute to the drivers putting on a show. If people want to see things fixed, go to a track, any track for any reason; if there is a class, driver, series you want to see, pay the admission, and enjoy. It could be worse.....

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Originally Posted by Chris Nunn:
And im not an advocate for tin tops, im an advocate for RACING.

Your nose is growing........

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I've got mixed emotions about the new track vs. the old 1/4 mile but...I still love the place and it saddens me to see the low car counts of the last couple of shows. Dave and Kim deserve better..I'm not sure what more they can do for the racers than they already have to attract them....I'm sure the economy and location have something to with this problem....so many sprint cars are based within a 50 mile radius of Indy and it may just be too expensive for some of the lower budget guys to drive past or away from a race track that is closer to them....I don't know????

My nose is still the same, and I ain't made of wood. Let's count how many sprint car shows I've been to against late model shows. Sprints win 5 to 1. Ill be at the burg this saturday supporting them
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One big thing I think we are all overlooking so the cost of fuel racers spend to just get to the tracks . The Burg is like Haubstadt in that both are the farest away from where racers live arounf Indy. sorry just my 2 cents worth

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Berate me all you want but:

Chris I completely agree with you on the "it's all racing" outlook you have. I love sprint cars and I love late models. They both are capable of putting on great shows. Maybe if some of you would give those "tin tops" a chance you wouldn't be disappointed.

My family has always been a sprintcar family but there is nothing better than the World 100 at ELDORA, tons of cars, good racing, and the best atmosphere of any race I have ever been to.


Also on the burg aspect I know for a fact that his plays into why some people don't race there: If you crash there(just like Eldora) more often than not your entire car is junk.

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Yeah but there are less five car pileups. I've seen more cars junked in one night at another *Heralded Track* in IN. Kevin Swindell doing burnouts on peoples heads ect than a entire season at the Burg.

Yeah, if you hit the wall, I imagine anywhere your going to be out a bundle. But I've seen a ton of spins that were missed by everyone due to the sheer size of it. Bloomington or even the old Burg. They'd be and were five car pile ups.

Chuck, not trying to say anything bad about other tracks here. Just giving examples of the tradeoff

Another tradeoff is you go to other tracks, Race against 50 others and don't make the feature. You want to race or put it on the trailer after consi?

I too don't believe its all about motor. I seen Dickie take Brad stevens car to fifth place against USAC regulars. Brad does pretty well there himself :)

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Originally Posted by cecil98:
Your nose is growing........

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I've got mixed emotions about the new track vs. the old 1/4 mile but...I still love the place and it saddens me to see the low car counts of the last couple of shows. Dave and Kim deserve better..I'm not sure what more they can do for the racers than they already have to attract them....I'm sure the economy and location have something to with this problem....so many sprint cars are based within a 50 mile radius of Indy and it may just be too expensive for some of the lower budget guys to drive past or away from a race track that is closer to them....I don't know????

Well, I think the last three words of your post are the most intelligent of all the remarks contained in several threads on the Lawrenceburg subject. We have seen inane suggestions like tracks within 150 miles should shut down when Lawrenceburg runs and any other track that dares to run should have only support classes. Some have even resorted to insulting other tracks that have absolutely nothing to do with the Lawrenceburg car count. Then we see posts that claim the dozen or so sprint cars present at Lawrenceburg put on what could only be deemed a classic. The truth is that last weekend there were probably only three sprint car teams at LPS and Paragon that would have gone to Lawrenceburg on any occasion and remember that sprint cars were the support series to midget week at Lawrenceburg. Maybe the business model is wrong. Maybe Lawrenceburg is really a modified or late model track. Maybe there are not enough sprint car teams in the area to support sprints being the main attraction. Whatever the case, it seems that one should look closer to Lawrenceburg for solutions to the problem, if there is one, than Putnamville or Paragon. Both have established themselves as Saturday night fixtures in west central Indiana. They are less than 25 miles apart and don't try to steal each other's thunder. The stands are filled every week with people who come to watch their neighbors, cousins, in-laws, brothers and sisters, sons and daughters run. Oh, they have their little complaints, but they settle them between themselves. They don't expect other tracks to settle them. Good luck to you in the southeast in finding a solution. Rant mode off. :6:

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Well, I think the last three words of your post are the most intelligent of all the remarks contained in several threads on the Lawrenceburg subject. We have seen inane suggestions like tracks within 150 miles should shut down when Lawrenceburg runs and any other track that dares to run should have only support classes. Some have even resorted to insulting other tracks that have absolutely nothing to do with the Lawrenceburg car count. Then we see posts that claim the dozen or so sprint cars present at Lawrenceburg put on what could only be deemed a classic. The truth is that last weekend there were probably only three sprint car teams at LPS and Paragon that would have gone to Lawrenceburg on any occasion and remember that sprint cars were the support series to midget week at Lawrenceburg. Maybe the business model is wrong. Maybe Lawrenceburg is really a modified or late model track. Maybe there are not enough sprint car teams in the area to support sprints being the main attraction. Whatever the case, it seems that one should look closer to Lawrenceburg for solutions to the problem, if there is one, than Putnamville or Paragon. Both have established themselves as Saturday night fixtures in west central Indiana. They are less than 25 miles apart and don't try to steal each other's thunder. The stands are filled every week with people who come to watch their neighbors, cousins, in-laws, brothers and sisters, sons and daughters run. Oh, they have their little complaints, but they settle them between themselves. They don't expect other tracks to settle them. Good luck to you in the southeast in finding a solution. Rant mode off. :6:

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360 wing sprints 410 non wing u wont get late models with the kentucky track and the mini sprints have great races there and run 13000 rpm around it.I am a mini sprint racer the only thing I wish dave would do is not run us behind the e mods or last every week.
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Originally Posted by suzuki756:
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360 wing sprints 410 non wing u wont get late models with the kentucky track and the mini sprints have great races there and run 13000 rpm around it.I am a mini sprint racer the only thing I wish dave would do is not run us behind the e mods or last every week.
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If dave were to announce today that Burg was running LMs Saturday 25 of them would show up.

Dave, thanks for running Sprint cars weekly... we are lucky to have 5 tracks that run weekly though out the year.. bad racing is better then no racing in my book.. ready to see everyone there at isw.
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i wish there was a way to have the highest mod purse in the area as well as the sprint purse. i know florence speedway pays $700 to win and starts 24 cars (burg 20). i know this has hurt the car count in this division. thx...