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Last nights rained shortened KISS race is official!! After talking with all the KISS Promotors the decision was made to call the race a completed show. Points will be awarded, and payout will be paid.
Checks will be mailed out this week.
Congrats to Daron Clayton on his feature win with the Hoffman #69.

Thanks, Dave

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Originally Posted by Dave Rudisell:
Last nights rained shortened KISS race is official!! After talking with all the KISS Promotors the decision was made to call the race a completed show. Points will be awarded, and payout will be paid.
Congrats to Daron Clayton on his first feature win with the Hoffman #69
Thanks, Dave

DC won a Sprint Week show driving for HAR several years ago, Dave. Gas City, I think.

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Can you post official results? Who should competitors contact about payout?

When will we get our payout?
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Complete results are posted in the Race Results & Schedules section of the IOW website.

https://www.indianaopenwheel.com/showthread.php?t=47380

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Originally Posted by Jerry Shaw:
DC won a Sprint Week show driving for HAR several years ago, Dave. Gas City, I think.

Gas City in '07, if my memory is correct. It seems like Coons was in a Silver Crown car that night, though it could have been a midget; I just remember there was a schedule conflict.

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Finally he's getting some breaks. Looks like he passed Stanbrough for the lead so he did earn it a bit. Congrats DC, a win is a win!

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Originally Posted by hupp#9:
When will we get our payout?
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Read Dave's post above....

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I'm really surprised that last night's KISS race was considered an official race.

The last 5-7 laps were "raced" if you want to call it that, in a pouring down rain, that's not racing, you are just trying to get someone hurt, or tear up equipment needlessly! That was not racing at all, and not fair to the drivers.

I heard several drivers complained about it last night and were told something like the flagman didn't see it (rain) you have to be kidding me.

Most races are not considered official until at least half of the race has been completed, not 12 of 30 laps.

I think the race shouldn't have been considered complete after only 12 laps. It should have been cancelled, or continued where it left off on another date.

Also, KISS rules say when you have 30 cars you only have 3 heat races. So, why did we have four last night? Maybe if we ran 3 heats, like the rule states, maybe we could have completed all 30 laps.

Thanks...

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This is gonna get good.. .. congrats to DC .. .. I'm sure though this is going to raise a lot of question and great commentary via this board.. I intend to sit back and watch in wonder..

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KISS races are not rescheduled per agreement with all the promotors.
such as previous rained out KISS events. I know not everyone will like this decision, but its what we felt was the best decision with the options we had.
All the teams will be paid for thier finishing position, and points awarded. Thanks, Dave

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Dave, I fully understand KISS races are not re-scheduled, and since it wasn't complete or even past half way, it should have been cancelled and considered rained out. So, we follow the rule of no rescheduled races, but we change the rule about the number of heat races, that's odd. I know you and your staff were trying to speed up the program because of rain on the way, but, in my opinion, it should have been cancelled, because the last 5-7 laps was NOT racing, and it made unsafe "racing" conditions, and some drivers didn't race real hard in the "rain" in fear of trashing their equipment. There is no way that was 12 laps of "real" racing, so it wasn't fair to the teams, or the fans. I understand races get rained out, so when it rains STOP the show for everyone's safety! Don't try to "race" in the rain, I know several drivers slowed so they wouldn't trash a car, thus losing several positions on the track, THAT IS NOT RACING, and that is NOT what fans, owners, drivers, and teams really want.

Thanks...

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I'll have the full lap charts up tonight but here are Daron Clayton's lap times for the 12 feature laps that were run:

Lap 1 - 15.722 seconds
Lap 2 - 15.909 seconds
Lap 3 - 15.864 seconds
Lap 4 - 16.298 seconds
Lap 5 - 15.837 seconds
Lap 6 - 15.678 seconds
Lap 7 - 15.989 seconds
Lap 8 - 15.494 seconds
Lap 9 - 15.407 seconds
Lap 10 - 15.358 seconds
Lap 11 - 15.725 seconds
Lap 12 - 16.301 seconds

You can view the lap charts for Lawrenceburg Speedway at www.westholdtiming.com.

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very poor judgment on kiss part........ kiss officials never around ... dont believe there are any who care... this decision favors few and mainly the track hosting.:10:

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Originally Posted by SPD 37:
Dave, I fully understand KISS races are not re-scheduled, and since it wasn't complete or even past half way, it should have been cancelled and considered rained out. So, we follow the rule of no rescheduled races, but we change the rule about the number of heat races, that's odd. I know you and your staff were trying to speed up the program because of rain on the way, but, in my opinion, it should have been cancelled, because the last 5-7 laps was NOT racing, and it made unsafe "racing" conditions, and some drivers didn't race real hard in the "rain" in fear of trashing their equipment. There is no way that was 12 laps of "real" racing, so it wasn't fair to the teams, or the fans. I understand races get rained out, so when it rains STOP the show for everyone's safety! Don't try to "race" in the rain, I know several drivers slowed so they wouldn't trash a car, thus losing several positions on the track, THAT IS NOT RACING, and that is NOT what fans, owners, drivers, and teams really want.

Thanks...

i'd be happy to keep the $13,000 plus i am paying out....but i am not that kind of guy. We threw the flag when the surface got to be unsafe.

Originally Posted by dshort36:
very poor judgment on kiss part........ kiss officials never around ... dont believe there are any who care... this decision favors few and mainly the track hosting.:10:

How does paying a purse favor the track hosting? It could have been called a complete show with all the b mains ran and no one getting paid.
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From what I witnessed, and several drivers I spoke with, race stopped alittle late! I'm just saying, in my opinion, the best decision to treat everyone fair, would have been to cancel.

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the race was not complete or even half way complete.......... you will financially benefit without keeping the payout by not letting us finish the race we started.

Some promoters would have taken the money and ran
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Whoever came up with saying "damned if you do; damned if you don't" HAD to be talking about a racetrack promoter.

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you cant take the money and run little rube it dont work that way.... you gotta call it a wash and give rainouts or run double features.... ill guess the mods are gong to run a double featur and get their money since the b mains had been run

Don can you send me a PM with your phone number please.

Thanks logan
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Originally Posted by dshort36:
the race was not complete or even half way complete.......... you will financially benefit without keeping the payout by not letting us finish the race we started.

Huh?

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Ok, if you say the race was stopped when it became unsafe, then a 12 lap "race" should have been enough to treat people fair and cancel it, and do what Gas City does, walk through the pits giving cash back to those who want it.

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i am really confused...the full purse is being paid.

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Dave, if you didn't talk to any of the drivers, I think you should have. A lot of them used a ton of tear offs the last five laps, and it wasn't good. There are the ones on the track, you should have ask them.

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Originally Posted by dshort36:
the race was not complete or even half way complete.......... you will financially benefit without keeping the payout by not letting us finish the race we started.

Don, I'm confused, we paid all the sanction fees, KISS Official Fees, as well as the points and awards fees....
Oh yea, and the full purse!
So please explain HOW Lawrenceburg Speedway could possibly benefit from this?

Might I remind everyone , this decision was not that soley of Lawrenceburg Speedway. All the KISS track promoters made this decision together.

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Never thought I hear guys ***** BECAUSE THEY GOT PAID:11:
Maybe there is a nitch for JG PROMOTIONS.

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I am appreciative that the purse is being paid, that is a good gesture. If they aren't going to reschedule the race, then it is take that, or get nothing and you will have essentially raced and traveled to and from the track for a night for nothing. To me, that seemed like the plan all along, to get halfway and call it a complete race, which is why we raced in the rain for a few laps (which I didn't agree with), but thats not the point. Rescheduling was going to be a problem, there were a lot of USAC teams there so someone was going to get shafted at some point, but maybe it could have gotten done. Pay it out like it was a completed feature and move on. My disagreement with KISS races not being rescheduled is another topic all together, because to me it seems like its an excuse to not pay a higher purse in place of a local show since the tracks all run every week anyway. All things considered, good move Dave, people should at least appreciate the fact that you are going to pay out.

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If there wouldn't have been a caution for drivers spinning on the opening lap they would have easily made it to the half way point, just sayin and congrats to Dave for paying the purse, can't beleave some people are unhappy about getting paid

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I'm really struggling with Mr. Short's math, here. How do the Rudisell's benefit by not finishing the feature, rather than complete it (or rerun it) on another date??? ''All" of the money committed/promised, is being paid to the organization and the racers. Also, Mr. Short, did you look up into the grandstand? I don't think anyone is getting rich off of Saturday's crowd. In my opinion, attendance was disappointing, at best. I think the reality of it is, that Mr. Short and several other disgruntled teams, feel like 12 laps didn't allow a fair amount of time to advance their postition and claim a larger portion of the purse and the points. While this may be a legitimate beef, the weather and the timing of the storm, created a difficult situation for the promotor and track officials, thus, a decision had to be made and this was the call they felt was best. Also, from an economic standpoint, the racers used less than half of the fuel, the tire wear and the wear and tear on the race car Saturday so, they did recover some of their perceived losses.......Again, Mr. Short (or anyone else for that matter) please elucidate for me how a promotor gains after paying out all promised money even though the race was flagged short??????? I truly may be missing something here.....

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why not payout all drivers the the same points and money evenly. divide up the money and points for all who made the main

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Originally Posted by LittleRube:
How does paying a purse favor the track hosting? It could have been called a complete show with all the b mains ran and no one getting paid.
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I dare not speak for any team here but that is fact at most tracks. Completion of B mains are complete shows. No fan or team gets anything back except maybe B Main payout and start money.


I understand there are some running for the KISS championship who may not have gotten a finish they wanted for whatever reason. Did everyone scream it should have been cancelled when MSCS or USAC? cut the last five laps at THAT last year due to curfew? Could someone else had won had it not been?

The race starts at the :23: Does it have to end at 30?

A little damp moss to throw on the fire.......... :9:

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Originally Posted by PJ Wright:
Whoever came up with saying "damned if you do; damned if you don't" HAD to be talking about a racetrack promoter.

Yeah, No Rapture but Dave got Damned anyway. J/K :15:

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no matter what would have happened people would be on here bashing. Cancel the race before the night because of weather people would have ran them into the ground. The track tried. Got part of it in. Chit happens, time to move on. Good call

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I wished we could have seen a rescheduled complete race but I am neither a racing promoter nor in charge of scheduling. I may be wrong but I think at this point with so many rainouts this year at all the tracks it would be a nightmare to reschedule dates for these weather affected races. Under the circumstances I think this was the right call.

I am curious why they didn't run it next Saturday with the rescheduled MSCS Show. They have co-sanctioned races before at Haubstadt I believe. If you don't come back next Saturday it would be your loss, because you could finish the KISS A-Main and have a chance to make some money in the MSCS Feature too. It seems logical,but maybe I'm crazy.
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Originally Posted by j_vennard54:
This is gonna get good.. .. congrats to DC .. .. I'm sure though this is going to raise a lot of question and great commentary via this board.. I intend to sit back and watch in wonder..

Wanna share some popcorn?

Originally Posted by treecitytornado:
I am curious why they didn't run it next Saturday with the rescheduled MSCS Show. They have co-sanctioned races before at Haubstadt I believe. If you don't come back next Saturday it would be your loss, because you could finish the KISS A-Main and have a chance to make some money in the MSCS Feature too. It seems logical,but maybe I'm crazy.
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As Dave stated in an earlier post KISS races are not rescheduled if they are rained out (as per an agreement with all of the KISS promoters).
Think of it like this - if it was a USAC race could Dave just reschedule it whenever he wanted?

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Can I get in next week for 2/3rds of the price of admission? ;):44:

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I wasen't there Saturday nor have I been there since the track was redone, but I'm gonna throw my opinoin out there.

1) Dave really had no choice but to pay out the money if he couldn't reschedual. F---- with the racers money in this econmey is bad business and a bad idea.

2) The rescheduleing rule should be revisted just for this reason. If it's a complete wash out so be it don't reschedule, if it rains after the A main is set or before the half way point of the feature the the feature should be rescheduled on the next best date for the track.

3) If you can't make it back to race on the make up date sorry but thats your loss, racing like gambeling sometimes you win most of the time you loose.

Did the racers loose something, yes but the fans lost more they payed to see a full show and got what sounds like five laps of racing give or take and the rest of the laps driving around in the rain. I'm not bashing Dave I'm stating the facts.