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Can USAC Copyright "Champ Car"?
Now that CCWS has gone bankrupt and sold its assets(if you can call them that) off to Tony George, is it possible for the Silver Crown division to get their name back for good?
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champ dirt cars, championship cars. old school still call them that. i'm not sure usac ever had a copyright on that name that cart used. i remember the first IRL show in Disney they called the Indycars championship cars.
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Sure they were. They were dirt cars on the championship circuit, hence the name Dirt Champ Cars. They were that way until 1971 if I remember correctly. I still call them that. I wish dirt was part of a "Championship Circuit" today.
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I think they were still called Championship dirt cars well after the 1971 separation. IIRC they changed it in the early or mid 80's when USAC made some champ dirt races like Indy, Duquoin, and Springfield count toward the "Gold Crown Championship" which also included the Indy 500. The remaining champ dirt races were then named the "Silver Crown" division. After a while the 500 was the only Gold Crown race left. Eventually Gold Crown went away after a few years and that just left Silver Crown.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Mark Alderson had a lead in the Gold Crown points one year and needed a ride at the 500 to secure the championship and couldn't find one. |
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Originally Posted by aussiemidgetfan: As anyone with even the slightest knowledge of racing will tell you, "champ car" has been a very common term for Indy cars (and champ dirt cars) throughout history. (Please reference the text below as an example). It wasn't until CART started "throwing around" the term champ car, that the average joe fan (such as yourself) became confused. Just one of thousands of moronic decisions made by the now defunct formula 1 feeder series. Don't fret aussie, we are always glad to educate you. I'll bet Graham Rahal and the gang are glad that nightmare is over! :rolling David. Former Indy car owner John Zink Jr. dies at 75 INDIANAPOLIS (AP) — Former car owner John Zink Jr., whose 13 champ car victories included the 1955 Indianapolis 500 with driver Bob Sweikert and the 1956 Indy race with Pat Flaherty, has died at 75. |
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Originally Posted by SpfldMile: |
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Originally Posted by Al Consoli: |
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Originally Posted by aussiemidgetfan: David. "In the two decades since WWII, the engine of choice at Indy, and for all of AAA/USAC "Champ Car" (Note: The terms "Champ Car", "Indycar", and "Big Car" have all been used somewhat interchangeably to describe the cars that raced at the Indianapolis 500." http://www.allamericanracers.com/dino/case.html |
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I knew that!!:rolling You did say anyone with the "slightest knowledge" would.:D
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In 1971 the dirt cars, until then part of the "Championship Trail", were called the National Dirt Car Championship. In 1981 that changed to the Silver Crown division.
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Originally Posted by Dwight Clock: |
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Originally Posted by aussiemidgetfan: I bet Tony G. would give the name back to USAC if the right person asked for it.:usacfan |
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My partial memory is probably going to get me in trouble here. I think I remember a specfic term being used for the three 500 mile races; Indy, Ontario and, Pocono(???). Was that Gold Crown or was it something else, or have I just lost it?
Frank Daigh |
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Originally Posted by dirtnonwingfan: |
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Originally Posted by Ovalmeister: I didn't click the link, but I am curious when the Big/Champ cars and sprint cars became different? |
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Sorry to argue Aussie, but those cars weren't invented in 1971. They had a long and storied history as champ cars on the dirt. Before the late 50's the same cars ran on pavement such as Indy and Milwaukee. After it became necessary to use different cars, they became championship dirt cars because the races still counted towards the championship.
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Originally Posted by aussiemidgetfan: Dude, pull it together. :rolling:rolling You're just gonna have to trust us on this one, "Champ Car" existed waaaaay before "CART" stole it. :rolling:rolling David. once again, in case you missed it: Former Indy car owner John Zink Jr. dies at 75 INDIANAPOLIS (AP) — Former car owner John Zink Jr., whose 13 champ car victories included the 1955 Indianapolis 500 with driver Bob Sweikert and the 1956 Indy race with Pat Flaherty, has died at 75. |
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Maybe we should feel sorry for the "Aussie". He never had the chance to see driver`s like Sheldon Kinser, Leland McSpadden, Shuman, and hundreds of others haul it in on the Indy Mile, Springfield or DuQuoin. Real "Champ" cars don`t race in parking lot`s, alleys, cities or at airports ! ! ! :O:
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So if Aussie's logic holds true...that silver crown cars were never champ cars because they weren't included in the championship, then those "sprint" cars that ran a 400-lapper really aren't sprint cars after all since 400 laps is not a sprint.
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Originally Posted by aussiemidgetfan: |
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Originally Posted by aussiemidgetfan: :idea:Why don't you just talk about your Aussie sporty cars and such? You seem to know about that. I don't know anything about that and don't care to. |
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Originally Posted by aussiemidgetfan: Here's an excerpt from your Wikipedia reference: "Due to the settlement, and the obvious lack of direct connection to the Indianapolis 500 any longer, CART decided to revert back to the former term. It rebranded itself as "Champ Car" and the machines were referred to as "Champ cars." So if I understand your logic, just because they decide to "rebrand" themselves "champ cars", that null and voids all REAL champ cars from history? No other "champs cars", currently or previously, ever exist(ed)? Well, I just "rebranded" my pick up truck a "champ car". I guess that trumps all previous CART cars, which means they never existed! :kookoo David. |
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[QUOTE=Seadog;34335]We understand your point - and it is WRONG. Don't argue with David or Dwight or me. We were there - we lived it. I've been following this stuff for 54 racing seasons now. I'm not puffing my chest out, but I probably forgot more about this facet of racing than you'll ever know.QUOTE]
AMEN brother! Testify! :respect: David. |
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Originally Posted by Seadog: |
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