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http://www.theindychannel.com/news/15745906/detail.html :redflag:

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Sounds like they are dealing with the same engine builder,who scewed me out of a $12,000 engine!!!!

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O man this is gonna get ugly :censor:

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any names

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I won't name names but, I'll bet the deed to my ranch that it is the engine builder that destroyed just about everything I owned motorwise. Hint first name starts with a "C". I heard he had recently moved to Gasoline Alley from his location out west of the loop.

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Dont worry the Name will come out soon enough,Im not going to name names here,as I have a pending suit against this person,But I also know several other poeple who have been screwed over by this guy as well!!!

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Craig,
Yes its the same guy!!!!


Bill

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A little bird just told me that it was the father of a young lady, who drives a sprinter in the area, retreiving his rightfully owned equipment. This would be hilarious, as long as innocent people don't get in trouble with the law over this. I wish the people that were trying to retrieve their property all of the best and I'm glad they brought the muscle to do it successfully!!!!!!

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Here's the report from www.IndyStar.com:

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Rob Botts? our Rob Botts, who posts on here frequently?

goes by "Throb" on here.

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yep:redflag:

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Well, from my experience with said engine builder, I guarantee you that Rob and Bill were in the right and telling the accurate side of the story. I hope the law sees it that way and neither of them get into any kind of trouble or lose their jobs.

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I hope they get their engine that I am sure is rightfully theirs. This guy is a crook, when I worked for an unamed racer he got one on us real good. Would love to tell anyone who is willing to listen but do not think this is the place to do it. Mr. C has ripped Indiana racers off long enough! I know the other parties involved and I am sure they are being honest. Glad someone stood up to him finally!


Bob Shutt:thumb

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First person that came to mind when I seen this on line last night. I will guarantee Claxton is not this hard to work with. :rolling

Jerry #66j
www.joshspencer.com

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There are two things that I know for sure:1)No engine is worth getting shot over and 2)No engine is worth shooting someone over.

I wish it would have ended a different way.

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There are two things that I know for sure:1)No engine is worth getting shot over and 2)No engine is worth shooting someone over.

I wish it would have ended a different way....Leaders Edge


You don't understand, the engine builder pulled the gun first. The people who went there to get their stuff back didn't expect a gun to be pulled on them. I went up there (to his old shop) under very similar circumstances and got my stuff out of there w/o a gun being pulled. I was very lucky. He basically cost me $18,000 in what should have been a $4000 rebuild the summer before last. He set us back an entire year and even this past season, his work came back and haunted us with our back up motor. I, also, would love to tell you some of the stuff he did. It's incredible!!!

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Cecil you're gonna hate me. I took off your multiple posts. I'll try to fix it.

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I got it Kirk! no big deal. when i pressed "submit reply" it didn't do anything so i kept trying and got multiple posts.

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You don't understand, the engine builder pulled the gun first.

I try real hard to give everyone the benefit of the doubt, so you were there and witnessed this?

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Unless everyone can sit down and hold hands this is not going to turn out good for the people that went to the guys place of business. (Castle law in effect?) I know this sounds bad but they should have taken the whole deal to court as now they are the bad guy's. I am in no way for the motor guy so anyone that reads that into the deal is wrong.

Jerry #66j
www.joshspencer.com

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No Dirtfan, but I can read and I have decent comprehension skills.

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No matter what happens they got areal motor now Built by super Dave at J and D performance.

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At last! While the motor builder may be a scumbag, he has the right to run his place of business. One cannot take the law into their own hands. There are courts, laws, and ways to deal with anyone that cheats you. Like Jerry says, all that the guys that went there did was open themselves up to a LOT of potential issues.

I have no dog in this fight, either, but taking the law into your own hands just ain't right....and if the motor guy is really as dishonest as some say, why don't some of you have the nerve to name him, if only to protect others from his shady dealings? Or are you afraid of a lawsuit? It's hard to be sued if you state facts, not innuendo.....

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Taken from a post above

Charles Snyder, 59, told police that Botts was with William Throckmorton, two other men and a 16-year-old girl about 1:15 p.m. Sunday when Throckmorton came to the garage and told Snyder he was taking an engine that Snyder had been working on for Throckmorton, according to a police report.

There ya go

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Regardless of who may have been right. Once thing remains certian. Throbert screwed up big time. A police officer should know better than to hold a man down at, what sounds like gun point, and take a sprintcar motor. Being a cop, Botts should have been the voice of reason...

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Whoa! No where did it say Rob Botts held anyone down. All I can say is you do not know the whole story nor do I. In he was there yes, but did not do as you say that is for sure. This is a VERY complicated matter, just think before typing.


Bob Shutt

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There are courts, laws, and ways to deal with anyone that cheats you. Like Jerry says, all that the guys that went there did was open themselves up to a LOT of potential issues.


Yes there are courts and laws,and I have tried to follow that route,and were has it got me no were,if he has nothing because he has hosed everyone how do you get your stuff back,I was told 3 times I have your stuff come and get it less the money i had paid him,Everytime I went there I got a another excuse,I dont have time come back next week, I did and still nothing,I went there with my co-owner who has know the guy for 30 yrs, and all got was the run around and threatened,not with a gun thank god!! So what do you do,ya you wanna kick his a*^&* but if you do, you will be out more then you are because the court system will work for him,when he is in the wrong. So what do you want all of us to do that have been screwed just take it, or go there and risk getting shot,I agree no engine is worth getting shot over but no one needs to be cheated out of there stuff and them get away with it !!!! My co-owner is a very honest buisness man and would never treat anyone this way!!! So if you wanna bash me more speaking my mind ok go ahead,

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Just remeber the crook has all the rights in this great Country we have built! The victim always has their rights violated and rarely sees compensation for the said crime. Just like the police officer is on trial not the ******** accused of the crime, if you dont believe me you are welcome to come to court with me and watch me testify.

In reading all the posts, the only probelm is the local police were not called to the scene after the off duty officer made the scene safe for all involved. I hope everything works out for Rob, I wasnt there and the armchair QB never sees it as it happens.

I hate to hear this on any police officer....we are held to a much higher standard than anyone else and I believe we should be. However if we mess up we have much more to loose and the courts always feel obligated to make an example out of us. Now when some CEO cheats his entire company's retirees out of their retirements they just go somewhere else and run another company. We can go and get another police job....

Again I hope everything works out for Rob!

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You can go through a court of law, spend thousands on a lawyer, win a judgement, only to be told by the court that "you can't squeeze blood out of a turnip" when it comes to collecting the judgement. My home was burglarized for over $15,000 (cash and jewelry) a few years ago and the criminals were caught. They were ordered to 3.5 years in prison and to make restitution. That money and jewelry was gone within a few hours of them stealing it. The prosecutor later told me, on the side, that there was almost no hope of recovering a penny from these people. If the engine builder had the money to pay the people he ripped off, back, he wouldn't have to be ripping people off in the first place. I seriously doubt that he put all of his crooked earnings into a savings account. Once he sells your "hard earned possessions" off, they're gone forever. I will be astonished if jjsprt92 ever sees any part of his motor or, the money he is owed in lieu of the motor. He'll just have a lawyer to pay for trying to squeeze "blood out of a turnip" using the legal system. I completely understand the frustration of anyone who has dealt with this man. With all of the trouble so many people were having with this guy, I was astonished to see the Throckmorton's sprint car in his shop when I went up to get my stuff out of there. I knew it wasn't going to be a happy ending.

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I find it hard to comprehend that our legal system can't force people like this to pay. What would be wrong with giving a suspended sentence, putting them on probation, and making restitution a requirement of probation? If they don't make payments in the slammer they go. And probation doesn't end until full restitution is made. The real threat of jail time might persuade some to conduct their business differently.

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:applaud:

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LOL

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My point was that it benefits neither party to pull a trigger because the potential price paid then is far more than whatever dollar amount the engine is valued at.

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Still haven't read the article yet?

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The detective investigating the case is Detective Vaughn and the phone number is 317-327-3736. Give him a call and let him know about you experiences with this engine builder and to help out Bill & Rob.

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Unreal. Hey Yokel, I got a bridge I want to sell you!:rolleyes:

I consider Rob one of my best friends, and know him pretty well. No I wasn't there, but knowing him as I do, I am very confident that his only mistake was going in the first place.... Even the fact that he went, though it looks wrong, I know that he felt he was just helping out a buddy.
Rob can be a little rough around the edges, but that just adds to his charm.

He is excellent at turning on "Mr. Cop", and then turning it off. My point being is that he is a total pro as a cop, and knows when, and WHEN NOT to use it!!! I am very, VERY confident that he did not go in there being a cop! He went in as a buddy to help out with Mr. Throckmorton's deal. The cop part was forced to come out when this deal turned sour!

Now if for some remote chance that this goes further south for Rob than it already has, I will still stand by my words, because I know Rob has great character.. And as his friend, I will stand by him. We ask that others on this board will do the same. We also hold hope that the folks looking into this will see the light, and see that his only mistake was being there.

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10-4 Crankin !!!!!!
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Hey don't get me wrong I know Rob's an alright guy. I was just sayin' that, on duty or not, he's still a cop and he could have exercised better judgement by calling the local police to help sort out the matter instead of letting it get out of hand. If in fact he was in attendence for all of this, letting them take the motor was a big mistake, regardless of whether or not money was owed.

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It's a bad deal for a friendship to end like this, but you could see it coming....... I know for a fact that engine has been at "CS" for ATLEAST 2 years. I watched a young woman take it apart to help "speed" things up..... I also know that Billy wanted that engine LAST year (for a spare) and never got it.

Just remember, things in that article could be blown out of proportion. The words "Armed Robbery" makes great headlines for a local newspaper......:eek:

I cannot see the OWNER of that engine taking it without paying for it, that's just BS in my opinion.

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Well said Crankin, I wish him the best one brother to another.