Slver Crown Rules
 

This is probably a dumb question but, where can I find the rules covering USAC Silver Crown cars ? I looked all over USACracing.com but found nothing.

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The rules are in the Owner's Garage area.....bottom right of any of the open-wheel series screens (SC, Sprint, Midget). Better yet....here's a link: http://www.usacracing.com/silvercrown_index/garage_sc The 2011 rules haven't been posted yet, but the 2010 Rulebook is still there.

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Hope they do away with the 51-49B.S.:10::10:

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Originally Posted by PAW:
Hope they do away with the 51-49B.S.:10::10:

Agreed, also lets drop the Mods. I hate being screwed out of the hooligan so they can run Mods. Hells bells it is a Silver Crown race and I want to see the whole show, not part of it.

At the Hoosier 100 they had 36 cars and did not run the hooligan to deterime starting positions from 21 on up. If after the hooligan they wanted to start all 36 cars, fine. Where do the Mods fit in this picture?

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Originally Posted by Dyno Don:
Where do the Mods fit in this picture?

At the Cash Register!

steiny :32:

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Originally Posted by PAW:
Hope they do away with the 51-49B.S.:10::10:

Does anyone know for sure if they are done screwing around with this and putting it back like the traditional, strategic, champ car races they should be? Hell they may as well run heat races and a semi !
I know many that have told me they won't go to see the twin 50 's.
I agree, I'll go to local tracks elsewhere for sprints & midgets.

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I agree. i'd prefer the traditional non-stop 100miles, but only if they could prepare the tracks properly. Let's face it, the races in recent years have been just plain boring.
Atleast this new format adds a little more excitement and actually adds even more strategy. The mods hopefully help widen the groove and provide some extra racing. With only
a little over 30 cars, after a few drop out in the hooligan they're not racing for a transfer spot anyway. Not going will help ensure the death of silvercrown racing on the miles so if
that's your objective and you'd rather go to the same 1/4 mile you go to every week all season, then thanks a lot for helping to kill a form of racing I love. That being said, the best
thing USAC could do to make the racing better is to prep the tracks more like they use to. DuQuoin could always have a cushion and they would start to pack the place again. But
USAC won't listen to a guy like me, believe me I've tried in the drivers' meeting and they just laughed. But I'll keep going because I don't think there is too many people standing in line
behind Sargent to promote those races. If you want to help kill it stay home. I'll be at the Hoosier Hundred in May!

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Originally Posted by ThrowbackRacingTeam:
I'll be at the Hoosier Hundred in May!

With a car?

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I've got mixed feelings on the red flag at 50 miles. It really didn't help much at Indy since Shane had everybody covered but at Du Quoin I think it made a fairly exciting show out of what might have been a snoozer. That having been said the 50-50 deal is not how these races were intended to be run and passing or no passing I enjoyed the driver strategy of the true hundred milers.

I too feel that the mods don't belong with the Silver Crown shows but as long as Sarge is in charge we're going to have to endure them. I have been going to Sargent promoted shows for a long time and he runs every class he can get away with. I think ol' Sarge would run the mods and street stocks as support classes at the World 100 if he was the promoter. As someone else eluded to there aren't many promoters, if any, looking to keep the Mile Silver Crown races/Silver Crown division alive and if I have to endure the mods and the 50-50 deal to ensure my beloved Silver Crown cars keep racing on my beloved Mile Dirt Tracks then so be it. Just be glad he runs the mods instead of the sportsman cars, or whatever they are, like he does at Springfield before the ARCA race there! For me those things are a nice long intermission for me to go get some Fair food. Geesh!

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Originally Posted by ThrowbackRacingTeam:
I agree. i'd prefer the traditional non-stop 100miles, but only if they could prepare the tracks properly. Let's face it, the races in recent years have been just plain boring.
Atleast this new format adds a little more excitement and actually adds even more strategy. The mods hopefully help widen the groove and provide some extra racing. With only
a little over 30 cars, after a few drop out in the hooligan they're not racing for a transfer spot anyway. Not going will help ensure the death of silvercrown racing on the miles so if
that's your objective and you'd rather go to the same 1/4 mile you go to every week all season, then thanks a lot for helping to kill a form of racing I love. That being said, the best
thing USAC could do to make the racing better is to prep the tracks more like they use to. DuQuoin could always have a cushion and they would start to pack the place again. But
USAC won't listen to a guy like me, believe me I've tried in the drivers' meeting and they just laughed. But I'll keep going because I don't think there is too many people standing in line
behind Sargent to promote those races. If you want to help kill it stay home. I'll be at the Hoosier Hundred in May!

Ummmmmm............ So You........ don't agree then?
I don't appreciate someone accusing me of being a murderer.
Don't blame the killing on me or others.
I'm not the one that decided to change or allow changes to the format.
Last time I checked, this is still America (not China yet) and I am free to chose, as well as you are entitled to your opinion.
And if they continue, and it dies USAC should look in the mirror.
Perhaps they should ask or survey the USAC members, teams and fans what they think?
Wouldn't that be a great marketing tool? Or the truth is they don't really care.


Hey! Let's stop the Indy 500 at 250 too and see how many fans we lose? How insane is that? don't bother answering.

I see this 50-50 crap, as way to let USAC's new, young gun, Mommy &/or Daddy are rich (ride buying)
Favorites in the winners circle and keep the tried tested and true veterans & teams
(Gamester, Steele, Darland, White, Filip, Tyler, Hines & Cottle) of this series, off of the Podium.

The whole point
of this traditional Silver Crown (CHAMP CAR) racing is all the overall race strategy including, fuel, set-up, tire saving &
adjustments to the car but then you know all that. Look at the rich history of the series and the drivers that participated in it. (Andretti, Foyt, Parsons, Carter, Bryan, Hewitt, Butler, Gurney, Sills, Parnelli Jones and Rodger Ward & etc.)
I have always thought, as in the past, the drivers in the Indy cars should be participants and that this is where the majority of them should come from. I believe that is gone forever.
Only can you imagine, if that were so?
I can see the stands packed to the brim with fans, wishing to see that Indy car drivers skills performed on the dirt. I believe today, that the foreign majority of them would fail or not even attempt it. Can you imagine the draw? WOW! What a marketing concept!
Never gonna happen.


I have no problem with the Mods, Trucks or a supporting series. I believe this helps the draw as well as the pit reciepts.
As long as it's understood that, if a support series appears to be causing injury to the surface and the track appears to be going away to make sure that the USAC show has the Priority over all. I believe this is a practice that should be among the agreements of any racing venue holding a USAC race.
As with any racing venue there needs to be very little down time as possible. The majority of successfull tracks know and operate this way. You only have so much time for the show, especially when held during a Fair operation. The Fair board wants that show put on and the fans out on the midway as soon as they can finish, to hopefully spend money. This is fact.
I know, my Dad was deeply involved in Fair Management for many years.

We can agree to disagree but I think your missing my point.

Maybe someone needs to revive the The Premier Racing Association (PRA) again?
After all, they had the biggest influence on saving this series in USAC but now, have they lost their way?

BTW,
I didn't and don't come on here to get jumped on just looking for an answer to my question. Which I didn't get from you, did I?


Some of you know me, most of you don't.

The ones that do, know how much this sport of ours means to me.
After all, we all love and support racing.
So aren't we all in this together?

Last year I exposed my great niece and nephew to the racing at Lawrenceburg, Danville, Macon & LPS.
Now they are hooked and ask me all the time, when we can go next!

Oh, and don't bother to respond to me either.
Let's just leave it at that.
Have a nice day:)

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Originally Posted by PAW:
Hope they do away with the 51-49B.S.:10::10:

OK, let's try this one more time.

This 51-49 is what the promoter wanted. Why don't you go directly to the source and file a complaint?

Go here: http://www.trackenterprises.com/

On the right in a red box it says - Questions? Comments? Drop us a line. Click here. - Go and tell Bob Sargeant you don't like it.

Would you rather that the races just go away if they don't grant your request?

Hey, it's Silver Crown cars on the dirt miles. That's a very good thing IMO.

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Originally Posted by Seadog:
OK, let's try this one more time.

This 51-49 is what the promoter wanted. Why don't you go directly to the source and file a complaint?

Go here: http://www.trackenterprises.com/

On the right in a red box it says - Questions? Comments? Drop us a line. Click here. - Go and tell Bob Sargeant you don't like it.

Would you rather that the races just go away if they don't grant your request?

Hey, it's Silver Crown cars on the dirt miles. That's a very good thing IMO.

I tried to contact them per their web site and it said your requst can not be sent due to an error.
Maybe they do not care what I think.

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Originally Posted by Dyno Don:
I tried to contact them per their web site and it said your requst can not be sent due to an error.
Maybe they do not care what I think.

Did you try the email address at the bottom of the page? It's track@trackenterprises.com

Just trying to send the blame or credit to where it's due.

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Regardless of what you think of Bob Sargeant, I have always found him more than willing to communicate. A few years ago I ran into him in the infield of the Illinois State Fairgrounds track and had a good chat about issues and racing. Last year I sent an email expressing my opinion about the 50/50 and modifieds at Indy and got a response from Bob that same day inviting me to come talk to him about my concerns when I got to Indy. I'm just a fan and he has been willing to address my issues directly with me. I would be surprised if he has changed his approach in the last few months. I would suggest that anyone who has concerns about issues try honestly communicating your concerns to him. You may not agree with him, but he will communicate with you.

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When I began going to Springfield for the Silver Crown Bettenhausen 100 in the late 70's/early 80's there was at least 3 or 4 times the crowd there is now and they didn't run anything but the SC cars. Period. And, there were no support classes 'till they began to run the a National Midget show then later the mods. The Midget show gave the crowd a shot in the arm but driver safety put a stop to that deal. I think all anyone is saying is that if we don't support these races they are going to be just a memory, like when the Championship Trail came through Springfield, Du Quoin, Indy Fairgrounds, Syracuse, and Sacramento.

I've used the e-mail address at the bottom of the page told Sarg what I thought about the 50-50 deal, among other things, and he will get back to you but he thinks it's great and I doubt, unless something really significant happens, that the deal will be changed.

You're right Indy1808, the stands would be overflowing if the Indy Car guys ran the Miles. And you're also correct when you say it won't happen, but we all know it should. Could you imagine Penske and Ganassi, et al, with Silver Crown cars at the Indy Mile or Du Quoin with Helio and Dario strapped in them!!

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I love the champ cars on the mile,(No not silver crown,CHAMP CARS),
and wish we stil ran ours. To me this is what comes closest to the roots of ALL american racing. This is where it all started, fairgrounds one mile tracks.

I also prefer the straight 100 miles, I'm a traditionalist. But if I can't get the straight 100, I'll take what I have to.It is better then no show at all.

By the way , DuQuoin was the best mile race last year.The best show though was Terre Haute the best Champ Car showof the year. If you missed it , you blew it.

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I thought Eldora was a better show than TH. Glad I got to see & enjoy all the midwest dirt SC races. Wish Springfield hadn't rained out, it was a long drive from Minnesota for a rainout!

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Sprntr, I will politely disagree, watching Jones and Darland at THAT was the more enjoyable for me to watch, then BC running away at Eldora.

If they raced Williams Grove I wouldn't care how they split up the 100 laps!
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Originally Posted by racephoto1:
Sprntr, I will politely disagree, watching Jones and Darland at THAT was the more enjoyable for me to watch, then BC running away at Eldora.

You don't have to be polite, I'm a big boy! ;)

TH did have a better racing for the lead, at least until Double D's Slide Job from Hell. :14:
I thought the racing behind BC at Eldora was excellent throughout the field, I especially enjoyed watching Robert Ballou in the Sachs-Yermal entry driving like he was possessed!

Stop by the #43 pits after the Fairgrounds race (or any of the Miles), we can argue over a Beer!

steiny :32:

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Thanks, and take these guys up on the beer offer, they have good beer.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4087/...5bf142d7_z.jpg
IMG_8387 copy by uncloose1, on Flickr

Here's one from the 4 crown for you.

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Instead of the 49/51 procedure (red flag half way) what would be out of line with the format used during the early running of the Hulman Hundreds.

We time trialed, split the field in half and ran 2 20 lap quailyfiers taking the 12 or 15 (I belive) finishers from each. Then those cars ran a 60 lap A Main/ Feature. Fuel and tire issues are reduced and the FANS GET 100 LAP OF GREEN FLAG RACING. The rule book still has the "if the distance is less than 60 laps yellows do not count" (I think it's in either the general race procedures or in each spefic divisions procedure section after car spec sections).

Current day Silver Crown race format "red flag at half way" SUCKS at best, however the OLD CHAMP CAR days (30-60 show up and 18 only start) isn't real good now days either.

Hopefuly this would a better compromise of the situation that what's been tossed out to fans recently.

Definatly the above format would need to be tweaked for a 1/2 mile show.

Bill Shipman

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Originally Posted by ISF:
You're right Indy1808, the stands would be overflowing if the Indy Car guys ran the Miles. And you're also correct when you say it won't happen, but we all know it should. Could you imagine Penske and Ganassi, et al, with Silver Crown cars at the Indy Mile or Du Quoin with Helio and Dario strapped in them!!

I would pay good money to watch these guys scare the crap out of themselves!

I hope someone can verify this or correct me on this story. I remember hearing of AJ taking a sprint car (to Putnamville I believe) with Billy Boat and Kenny Brack. BB was out there tearing it up.... ole AJ told Kenny he better pay attention cause he was next. Word was Kenny went completely pale.

Make these Europeans run dirt a few times! I applaud Tony Kanaan for running the Prelude. I heard he had a blast driving a lm. Put him in a Crown car.... I bet he would do well! There are only a couple Indy car drivers I would truly classify as true RACERS.....

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the red flag at 50 laps is the hoosier tire red.