TSR, Chevrolet, Ron Shaver, Indiana?
 

Anybody read the latest issue of Circle Track? Just came in the mail yesterday 3-27-2008.

1) Looks like Tony, Ron, Chevrolet are teaming up and setting up shop in Indiana to
build the next Generation...World Products???????, Block....offshoot of Chevy's LS7,
900(+)HP, 410 cu inch sprint car engine to compete in USAC, WoO and Late Model competition.


2) They did show the heads on Shaver's last 410 motor. The new head is sill at the Head Porter
shop. Ron's last engine peaked out at 865 HP.

a) They hinted you needed 2HP/ cubic inch to be a front runner?

3) Supposedly Ron will be running the shop in Indiana.

a) A new shop will be built near TSR to build the motors.

4) They kind of hinted this is their effort to compete with Toyota and Mopar. The engine wars
are on and I think everybody is taking this next effort very seriously.

Larry "O":applaud:

Re: TSR, Chevrolet, Ron Shaver, Indiana?
 

Don't belive everything u read in a magazine.

Re: TSR, Chevrolet, Ron Shaver, Indiana?
 

Originally Posted by Larryoracing:
Anybody read the latest issue of Circle Track? Just came in the mail yesterday 3-27-2008.

1) Looks like Tony, Ron, Chevrolet are teaming up and setting up shop in Indiana to
build the next Generation...World Products???????, Block....offshoot of Chevy's LS7,
900(+)HP, 410 cu inch sprint car engine to compete in USAC, WoO and Late Model competition.


2) They did show the heads on Shaver's last 410 motor. The new head is sill at the Head Porter
shop. Ron's last engine peaked out at 865 HP.

a) They hinted you needed 2HP/ cubic inch to be a front runner?

3) Supposedly Ron will be running the shop in Indiana.

a) A new shop will be built near TSR to build the motors.

4) They kind of hinted this is their effort to compete with Toyota and Mopar. The engine wars
are on and I think everybody is taking this next effort very seriously.

Larry "O":applaud:

If this is true (doubt it) but if so all this will do is squeeze out any hope for the little guy to actually be compeititive any more.

But considering where this is coming from I question the factuality of it.

Re: TSR, Chevrolet, Ron Shaver, Indiana?
 

How much longer will it be for a 410 costing 75k? Next year?

Re: TSR, Chevrolet, Ron Shaver, Indiana?
 

I have to believe some of this,Smoke is building of H@#$ of a place in Indiana, a location I will not reveal, big ass place, security gates and all,home for him and his wanged/non wing operations.He is/will be moving all of his car collection to this humidity controlled location with plenty of room.

Re: TSR, Chevrolet, Ron Shaver, Indiana?
 

Go watch the Ron Shaver interview @ http://www.hoseheadforums.com/forum.cfm?ThreadID=14745 . Ron relates/confirms his participation in the deal. He also strongly mentions Chevy's involvement - while he makes no mention of TSR's new building, he does note that there will be a facility in Indiana that he will support. And only for Schatz's car - Paul Kistler will continue to supply engines for Kraig Kinser's and the USAC cars.

But like Don says, will this price the weekly, local competitor out of business?

Re: TSR, Chevrolet, Ron Shaver, Indiana?
 

I know several engine buliders tell me they have been getting over 900 bhp for years

This will have more effect on the winged side then the non-wing side because it is almost imposible to get 900 bhp to the ground with a non-wing car

The make up of most indiana bull wings the engines most guys are running now will remain to be effective for years

Re: TSR, Chevrolet, Ron Shaver, Indiana?
 

There was nothing mentioned in regards to any of this in the video w/ Ron Shaver on hoseheads?? Am I missing something? Was this only printed in the Circle Track article??

Re: TSR, Chevrolet, Ron Shaver, Indiana?
 

Yep I'm pretty sure it was Circle Track.

I posted the article after reading it. I'm pretty sure I was
reading Circle Track.

Larry Otani:applaud:

Re: TSR, Chevrolet, Ron Shaver, Indiana?
 

Two words. Skinny tires!

Re: TSR, Chevrolet, Ron Shaver, Indiana?
 

If you had skinny tire then all the engine shops would go out
of business. You don't want to hurt the economy do you?


Just kidding.

Larry "O"...took me a while to figure out what you were talkinga about..
lol!:kookoo:Steer

Re: TSR, Chevrolet, Ron Shaver, Indiana?
 

Originally Posted by Charles Nungester:
Two words. Skinny tires!

How About 3 Words- Made In China

If the owners/drivers will run Chassis, Driveline and Suspension components that are made in China, then why not a 410 Engine? Do you think that maybe Shaver and the rest of the motor building industry has figured out that their product could be made for less by cheap overseas labor?

If so the good old big buck US Motor (Shaver, Wesmar, Gearte, Ott) will be displaced from that XXX Chassis and a new "made in China" product will take its place.

Could it happen? Why not ask somebody that runs a XXX Chassis or uses “made in China” components on their sprint car or midget?

Re: TSR, Chevrolet, Ron Shaver, Indiana?
 

Is it alright if the parts are made in Canada or Mexico? Those countries are at least attached to the United States.

Just guessing I would say that you are probably more of a semi-professional sh*t disturber than a dyed in the wool,flag waving American. That is just by judging the fact that your comment had no relationship to the topic,but hey I am all for a differing opinion. Maybe I am even reacting unreasonably, but here it goes.

So let me get this straight:All of your clothes,shoes,parts in the car you drive,electronic appliances,die cast race cars and dental hygene products are made in the good ol' U.S OF A? How about the computer you typed your response with. All American parts and assemblied completely in America?

Go check the window sticker of a Chevy AVEO. The car is assemblied in and made with 88% Korean parts.(Including engine and transmission) Another 8% Canadian. That leaves 4% American which I am assuming means what, the Chevy emblem package.

The parts companies that are waving the American flag and claiming their parts don't come off of a boat are using and selling bearings that came off of a large sea going vessel that most of us would confuse with a freighter. That is a fact.

I may be wrong about this, but aren't many of the M.S.D. Units manufactured or at least assemblied in Mexico?(Not that they were claiming American built)

I for one wish that it isn't this way it is. Outsourcing is destroying our tax base,economy and destroying the American middle class. It is also slowly creating white collar homelessness.

The bottom line is though, these companies are playing by the rules set forth by the American government. They are not breaking any laws and they are trying to give the consumer what they want; an affordable race car and affordable parts.

Before I get any B.S. about low quality parts, I have had every major brand of part in my shop and every popular brand of chassis except for J.E.I and I can tell you first hand that the XXX car construction is on par with all of them and the welds are far better than than a few of the leading companies. Those companies should be embarresed for sending people out in cars that are welded(or unwelded in some cases) like that.

For the record: I have never seen a bad DRC nor do I ever expect to.

As far as the parts go, I have sold Winters hubs and spindles and I have never seen one of them break. Even during a hard crash although I am sure one could break during a hard crash; like all brands.

Also for the record: I love my country and I am continually amazed I am fortunate enough to live in a place where we can race for entertainment and for a living. It may be broke in many ways, but there has never been another like it and it is still the best thing going.

Re: TSR, Chevrolet, Ron Shaver, Indiana?
 

Originally Posted by Charles Nungester:
Two words. Skinny tires!

Two words....common sense!!! :thumb

Re: TSR, Chevrolet, Ron Shaver, Indiana?
 

Originally Posted by Charles Nungester:
Two words. Skinny tires!

YES, YES, YES! I agree.

Thanks Chuck!:thumb
Joe

Re: TSR, Chevrolet, Ron Shaver, Indiana?
 

Well, personally I don't think you will ever see one track or USAC
ever change thier rules to skinny tires. But most 360 assoications
make it mandatory to use a hare RR tire.

So my next question is this. What are your feelings for
a sealed engined larger in displacement than a 410 at half
the cost of a typical major mfg company putting out about
800 hp for 1/2 the price.

You can run you Ron Shaver motor for 40K at 410 cubic engines
or an equivalent HP but larger cubic inch engine that is sealed for
1/2 the price?


Thanks,

Larry Otani...lol!:rolling

Re: TSR, Chevrolet, Ron Shaver, Indiana?
 

USAC has the DT3 as a spec tire on the right rear. Larger displacement? I say open the rules to whatever you bring what ever you burn, the owners will loose their ass at first but maybe, just maybe the word will get out that the engineering is back in racing at usac. MSCS rules? Anyone, anyone?