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After watching the woo world finals saturday night i know why most of us love non-wing sprints. Follow the leader all night, single file throughtout the field. Sure makes living in indiana special with all the great dirt tracks ,best promotors ,great car counts, and best fans in the country. Can't wait for next season.

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at least it was on tv without spotty feeds and off air dead spots. non wings are a much better show at local tracks or USAC races but you can't convince the novice of that with the coverage only being on the net with poor feeds during the show.

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Yep, the coverage was spotty, Yep, missed Sat. A main. I am still extremely grateful for the coverage I got to see for FREE!!!!
Sure it would be cool to iron out some issues whether it is their technology...or the tracks technology I don't really care.

I just think it is cool that when I can not attend a race there is a pretty good chance I can watch some of it for FREE on the net.
Thanks to everyone who tries to send us the best feed they can at the time and conditions....As much ******** I hear about the feeds I would not even do it.... But THEY still do it. THX guys.

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We should all be greatful that we got to see racing from Perris at all spotty or not. Perris has always been a black out period. Be thankful for what you got or next time go in person. That way the negativity doesn't blow it for the ones that can't make it in person. Thanks for the show I was able to see.

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Lowe's isn't the best track for sprint cars that's for sure but when you have that many cars racing on it all night, the track is going to get spent pretty quick. The first few years that the track was going it seemed like they watered it down all the time, now it's dry slick. I will say that the Late Model race was interesting with Darrell Lannigan putting the pressure on Josh Richards for the title late in the race. Tim McCreadie is a racer for sure as he came from 25th to 5th in his LM.

I was there. Mods and LM's were great. I've been stuck on a bus 20 miles from the Canadian border after a blown tire took out a bunch of air lines under the bus.

Can someone explain how the promoter and fans have anything to do with follow the leader racing?

You are not a better fan simply by being a non wing fan as opposed to anything else. I could go on, but I'm typing on a phone.

Nonwing isn't perfect. Yes the wing heats were follow the leader just like the features. The tv coverage, big purses, truly national and international events are the reason 14,000 people showed up to watch in high 20 degree weather.
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I am thankful they try but I'm involved in sprint car racing and continue to be disapointed in the way USAC promotes their product and coverage. As long as everyone remains content the sport will not attract new fans or interest new owners to get involved. read the article fishburger put up ,from the promoter at Perris, and then think of the coverage and you will see where a lot of the problems he's talking about come from. Non wing sprint car racing is one of the most exciting and challenging sports there is but without great coverage the fans and prospective owners will never truely get involved , as most of us are. Cutting back the number of shows and worse yet purses ,does nothing to help the sport and poor promotions just add to the problem.

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All Good Points....

Ahhhh Where is Ron Shuman when you need him.... I found that Article Interesting that they are entertaining the thought of ASCS.
That brings the 'SHOE" back into the picture. They should have never screwed him over. I think they realize that now.

USAC has better racing but let's face it: their purses suck.
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I thought I heard someone say that someone had made 40k in two races, I might not have heard exactly, but it would take months for someone to win that much I would bet.

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That would be McCreadie. He won the small block modified featch at the Hagerstown Octoberfest race last week as well as $20K in a big block modified race at Middletown, NY. the week prior.

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I am a huge wing fan, last nights racing wasnt the best. We have all been to races either wing or non wing that are follow the leader or parades. I think this site is called "Indianaopenwheel" not "Indiananonwing". Lets enjoy SPRINT CAR RACING and if we dont we can always go to something exciting like the opera or ballet.

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I was there. Mods and LM's were great

Is the same way every year at Volusia.... LM & Mods. are the show :22: Winged :42:: sprints are follow the leader at just about ANY 1/2 track they race at....


No Non Wing is not prefect but it sure as hell ain't follow the leader that 90% of the WoO is...WoO is all about MARKETING and leaving on what was not what is or gonna be!!

The future of non wing is ASCS non wing 360's

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For all of the things that went wrong with this weekend I thought they did a pretty darn good job! Tracks in Indiana are follow the leader to from time to time. It seems like most people just want to bash. You had a small team win the championship and both races this weekend. Mods and LM were pretty good. I was entertained. I WAS HAPPY WITH WHAT I SAW. Thank you for putting a live race on TV that I could set in my warm front room and watch and basically watch for free. :6: Several people on this board are constantlly bashing wing races, but look at it from the TV side. wing cars are much easier to video, and they look 10times better on tv. At least with the wings I can read who is sponsoring the car. Get away from this board and poll 1000 fans. Offer them there choice 1 free ticket to a WOO race or 1 free ticket to a USAC Sprint car race. I am confident 90% are going to the WOO race (if not more).

Thanks once again for the show, hope to see it again next year.

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I agree most people not on this board would agree. Going to KKR on the weekend where they have 4 WoO teams, and just a couple of midgets tells you something.

It's hard to bring any valid points up, I assume some are jealous that their favorite form of racing isn't on TV. I just don't understand how the non-wing fans or promoters are any better in Indiana? If the promoters were the best wouldn't the races be televised and the purses be large enough for a racer or team to make a living. Don't jump down my throat, I'm just saying.

As for what racing series would succeed without MARKETING? Think about that. Seriously? I can't comprehend the end of that sentence. I am sure the poster means well. Running another series or type of racing into the ground does nothing for non-wing.

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proof again the masses are easily fooled sometimes. hench the name "outlaw." i have seen way too many winged shows over the years. mostly the race is over coming out of turn 2. i usually hit one or two a year anymore just for verification on why i don't go to more. yes wings are fast but sprint car racing in Indiana hands down has 5 to 1 better battles for every position in all races during an event. the real key to good sprint car racing is a tacky track. with the wings i think they actually race better on semi slick tracks. just my opinion of course....

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Do you have any idea how many laps were put on that track Saturday? They started racig at 10:30am, with three classes of cars that have big motors, and even bigger tires, with over 40 cars in each class. What else could be expected? For what it's worth, I thought it was a fairly decent race, the late model race was really good.

Dave Argabright wrote a couple years back about TV, and how everybody told TNN that they sucked, and it was terrible, and they weren't watching until everything they wanted got fixed. Then it all went away and everybody screamed and hollared cause there wasn't any more sprint car racing.

I'm a fan of sprint cars and late models. I don't care if it's a winged 305 race, or a USAC triple header, I'm a fan of it. I don't understand the downright hatred that some have for winged sprint cars. Until the Kokomo Klash, the best race I saw all year was the WoO portion of the 4-Crown at Eldora, and that only got trumped by an epic race that would be very hard to duplicate again.

I love both, and glad to see at least one of them on TV.

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There was quite a bit of passing during the race. Danny Lasoski started 19th and finished 6th, Schatz started 12th and finished 7th, Haud went from 26th to 14th, The King started 5th and finished 13th, so somebody passed him. There was a pass for the lead half way through and Sammy and Sides swapped 3rd place at least a half a dozen times. I'd say that's not too bad for a track that was completely worn out.

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We are in complete agreeance on that one. Given the circumstances, I thought it was a good race. Definitely not the best I've ever seen, but definitely not the worst.

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I agree with both of you. Time to start watching all of those DVRed events from the summer. I hate cold weather.

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+1.

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i will take any woo or a usac free ticket :8: to me it is what track you will see them run on some i like woo and some other tracks i would rather see the greatest show on dirt usac :32: :32:

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Ditto

Anyone who says that the WoO is a joke or can't put on good racing has never been to a WoO race at Pevely, Mo. or didn't go to the nationals this year. Week in week out, I'll take the non wing stuff at Haubstadt, but the WoO CAN put on an incredible show.

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did anyone mention that the WOO shows pay alot of money.......lots more than USAC......seems to me that when the OUTLAWS come to town....everyone in the town knows about it........it`s called promoting.....hate them or love them.........they are doing the job that alot of other organizations only talk about......now about those gold crown cars...............:10:...... i still miss dwight..

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if its so poor why did you watch? My take on why there may be less passing at a WoO show? All the cars, all the crews, all the drivers are the best in the buisness. That makes it MUCH harder to pass. Dont get me wrong. There are some fabulous teams/drivers that run non-wing but when your racing against some teams that wonder if they will have gas money to get home on you are gonna see the better cars (who end up getting the better drivers) pass the others.

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Everyone, at least at the moment, are intitled to their own opinion, I don't agree that when you see a WoO show, you are seeing the best of the best, and that isn't an issue, seeing good racing, and providing good racing is, as a car owner, and former driver, I can tell you this, just because a car comes in on an open trailer, and 3 people, including the driver, step out at the race track, don't put that car and crew on the will not show good list, those guys are just as intent, and maybe more so, than the guy that shows up just in time for hot laps, and doesn't touch the car, if that were the only cars you had to count on, you'd be on the road all the time, trying to find a race to watch. JMHO! I'll be at Applebees today, for my free dinner! Thanks to all, who are recognizing the vet's in this manner. Bob

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I`m a former owner/driver as well and am still involved with a car (non-wing) on a part time basis. I know all about the little guys being competitive. I was one and managed to win at most of the tracks in our area, and if I told you my income back then you would not believe it. My comments were what I have witnessed over the last 27 years.

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Amen Brother. I was there with my Pop and am just grateful that we get the time to hang out and enjoy racing. I don't understand all the ******** and moaning.

I have a proposal for all the complainers. Short track racing needs butts in the seats, not a bunch of internet experts picking it to pieces. I don't care if the seat is in Charlotte or Kokomo, or if it is the WoO or a kart race. So before making a negative post, how about listing the number of new fans you've brought to the track this year. I am afraid there a lot of zeros on this board...

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II dont understand the hatred either. If its racing, I like it. Hell, I`d go watch rocks roll down a hill and prolly like it.
My take on why the die-hard non-wing fans hate wings is that they resent the fact that biggest races, biggest purses and the most exposure are all wing events.
I did my part this year when it comes to taking new fans to the track. A buddy had a bus and we took 13 guys to eldora for the WoO. Only a few had ever been to a dirt track. A great time was had and they will go back.

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If how much the racing pays decides what is the best racing, world wide the winner would be Formula 1. In the US the winner would be NASCAR.

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I kinda agree with your analogy but the fact is that more people are willing to pay the ticket price to support 70 or so $10K to win shows/year. Plus a point fund that pays $150K to win. I would love for USAC to be able to pay anywhere near that. I dont know the exact figures but I doubt Usac pays as much money as the 2 top weekly tracks in country, The Grove & Knoxville. Does it make the racing better? I dont know, but if people are willing to pay to see it, it cant be that substandard.

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from what i have been told.........there is no actual purse paid out in F-1.......i could be wrong tho.......i was once.....lol.................what i intended to say was that a higher payoff attracts the better teams and drivers and wonders why usac cant pay what the woo pays

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It's not the wings that make a race follow the leader. Last night we had an ASCS Lone Star regional race at Cowtown. The first leader flipped trying to go between two lapped cars. The second leader lead the rest of the way and was never really challenged. But man what a race that was. Second place barely held off the 3rd place car who had started 18th. The third place car had finally passed the car that finished 4th only a couple of laps earlier. The 4th place car started
12th and the 5th place car started 11th. There was passing all over the place and being ASCS it was a winged event.
The last non wing sprint car race I saw was at the Devils Bowl a wide 1/2 mile and it was follow the leader. Too many other factors play into this to blame any one thing.
Our regional race didn't have as many big dogs since the National series was racing in New Mexico, but we had more cars than they did, 55 vs 48 and our racing was great. I suspect theirs was too.
My biggest complaint about the WoO is they usually don't have a decent car count. Obviously that's not a problem at Lowes and some of their other races though.
We also had the new ASCS2 Ecotec midgets last night. There were only about 10 of them and they are non winged, but they had a darned good race. Many time track and ASCS sprint regional champion Kevin Ramey started 3rd, challenged for the 2nd spot and wound up 8th while running well. I think that's going to be a good class if they can get about 20 more of them regularly. They put on a better show than the full midgets with the high dollar motors have.