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A driver not only assaulted my husband on the track but he came into our pit and grabbed him by the throat which in most people's book is also assault. Also this driver was in my face treating me and calling me just rotten names. If (Race Organization) want to set the presidents that it is ok to assault, wreck other peoples cars in a cautions and hit each other after the races are done, then that is what (Race Organization) is going to be know for.

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Well you can count on the fact that you will never see either of my cars ever show up for one of these events ever again. I have see this happen many times as well as been on the receiving end. I know that many fans will be traveling farther from home to see nonwinged racing because of this. In todays economy there is no room for this kind of action. My season was ended early from this kind of experience. With a driver like this nobody is safe at a race track.

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what group and where at

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Originally Posted by bad dad 54:
a driver not only assaulted my husband on the track but he came into our pit and grabbed him by the throat which in most people's book is also assault. Also this driver was in my face treating me and calling me just rotten names. If (race organization) want to set the presidents that it is ok to assault, wreck other peoples cars in a cautions and hit each other after the races are done, then that is what (race organization) is going to be know for.

do like putnamville does...if you go to another drivers pit...you will get a vacation...seen it done 3 times this past yr

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Originally Posted by Bad Dad 54:
A driver not only assaulted my husband on the track but he came into our pit and grabbed him by the throat which in most people's book is also assault. Also this driver was in my face treating me and calling me just rotten names. If (Race Organization) want to set the presidents that it is ok to assault, wreck other peoples cars in a cautions and hit each other after the races are done, then that is what (Race Organization) is going to be know for.

Call these people (track, assoc., driver) out so maybe something will be done. It is an assault as you explained it. Maybe this driver has done this at other tracks also. The track or association should give drivers like this a vacation from their track. I don't come to a race to see a fight break out. This is not good for young people to see neither.

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It really would be nice to know the whole story including where and when this happened. Kind of hard to really know whats going on by reading this post since we really do not have the details. This would also give a chance for the officials to either respond to this or to fix it.

Too many times on this board you just get the pieces of a story and its really difficult to follow whats going on.

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With our stock car classes at Perris Auto Speedway, if you are the instigator in a fight, you get a free, automatic 52 week vacation.

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Originally Posted by Scott Daloisio:
With our stock car classes at Perris Auto Speedway, if you are the instigator in a fight, you get a free, automatic 52 week vacation.

As it should be. No room for this kind of stuff in auto racing....NASCAR may want it but we don't need it.

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Well it doesn't appear that the poster is willing to fill us in on the details, does it,so maybe they are not telling the whole story.

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Gee Dave I just posted it last night don't get your shorts in a knot. Didn't feel a novel was necessary, what I posted is what I got from Driver B wife. There was an on track incident where driver A was lapping driver B & he moved down on A = Crash. So during the caution there was an altercation where driver A bashed driver B. Then again after the start forcing driver B off the back stretch, so driver A was sent to the pits. After the race driver A grabbed driver B by the throat & so on. Driver A attacked someone last year at a race. So far only penalty is driver was kicked out of the race. Talked to driver B & he told me he was told to move down (raceiver I guess) so he did & ended up crashing. Driver A has raced at other tracks & associations w/ no problems he is a very talented driver. I have also crewed for him & helped him on his car. I also know driver B very well & would help him too if needed. Don't ask me who, or what or where, people involved are friends of mine I'm just interested in how other places handle these situations. Me I would forfeit all points & money for the night. Add a fine for all in fight & you will appoligize to the club members at drivers meeting. One race suspension for combatants.

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Gee Dave I just posted it last night don't get your shorts in a knot. Didn't feel a novel was necessary, what I posted is what I got from Driver B wife. There was an on track incident where driver A was lapping driver B & he moved down on A = Crash. So during the caution there was an altercation where driver A bashed driver B. After the start he forced driver B off the back stretch, so driver A was sent to the pits. After the race driver A grabbed driver B by the throat & so on. Driver A attacked someone last year at a race. So far only penalty is driver A was kicked out of the race. Talked to driver B & he told me he was told to move down (raceiver I guess) so he did & ended up crashing. Driver A has raced at other tracks & associations w/ no problems he is a very talented driver. I have also crewed for him & helped him on his car. I also know driver B very well & would help him too if needed. Don't ask me who, or what or where, people involved are friends of mine I'm just interested in how other places handle these situations. Me I would forfeit all points & money for the night, one race suspension for combatants. Add a fine for all in fight & you will appoligize to the club members at drivers meeting.

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are you not the same guy who was giving manner lessons to somebody for not following protocol during the National Anthem?

I'm getting a drama queen vibe

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Nope Hubie not me.

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I don't know what went on to prompt the original post, and my following comments are not related to the incident barely described in the original post:

Saying there is absolutely no room in racing for a fight................what??

Jack Hewitt has busted a few guys in their mouth over the years...are you saying you don't like Jack?

Bob Kinser was also known to drill a guy if he had it comin'...you don't like Bob?

AJ Foyt 'b1tched slapped' Arie Luyendyke several years ago in an IRL victory lane...and AJ also wasn't one to put up with somebody's BS......you don't like AJ?

The list of drivers who would/did, pop somebody is endless!!

Now then, acting like an idiot, and or just going around punching people is a different story. But a little 'disagreement' every now and then is actually kinda normal at a race track.

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Again, who, or what are you talking about? Judging from sprintracer82, I think I know what you are talking about. If it is what I am thinking, neither poster has any complaint. Especially sprintracer82. Also, the original poster had neutral party eye witnesses tell a different story. Not to mention this is all more than a month old.

Again, if this is what I am thinking. I know sprintracer82, but no clue who the original poster is. sprintracer82 has issues with every series he has ever tried to run with.

Good luck. I know the whole story, and will gladly share it if you would like to push it.

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Originally Posted by Scott Daloisio:
With our stock car classes at Perris Auto Speedway, if you are the instigator in a fight, you get a free, automatic 52 week vacation.

What about your Sprint Cars Scott?

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Need For Speed: Homes used to have outhouses instead of indoor plumbing too, times have changed. Lawyers line up for this kind of crap.
The one driver approached me, at a recent race, his wife also contacted me over the net. Several other people who were there have also talked with me about this. All I asked was how other groups handle these situations. GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEADS PEOPLE I DON’T CARE WHAT HAPPENED. Why do you keep bringing it up:15:

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Anyone that doesnt think you should be able to pop someone in the mouth after crashing your $60,000 racecar has never owned one... the crazy part is its ok to wheel someone on the race track risking yours and there equipment and the 19-13 other inocent drivers....but if you even walk into another drivers pit you are looked down on by fans.... there is so much as risk very second when it comes to auto racing... i think it may do the sport some good if it was alittle more like the old days...

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Well this just does it, i normally don't comment on here but i see a need to say something, If someone wants to fight, they should maybe take up wrestling or boxing, Landon when you say someone should get punched in the mouth, you are setting a tone you will have to contend with all next season, i remember just a few short years ago you drove in on me way over you head in turns 1 and 2 at gas city, tore alot up on my car and hit me in the elbow, i remember you walking down to my pits and saying sorry, now Landin should i have punched you in the mouth or showed you mercy like Jesus Christ wants all of us to do! I was out of commission all of the 2010 race season because of another driver who welched on a contract of racing my car and destroying it, well i had every right to "Punch him in the mouth" and or sue him, i chose neither and decided to show him mercy and forgiveness, my point being if we can't show each other mercy , forgiveness, and grace, and are worried about getting our cars tore up,we shouldn't be on the race track. This is not intended to offend anyone or try to call you out Landon, but i just don't understand what punching someone in the mouth does, it doesn't change the situation and the cars are still tore up, now you just added a bloody lip, everyone should man up and go down to someones pits and offer help and an appology for what happened. ;)

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Originally Posted by racinround:
What about your Sprint Cars Scott?

Our Sprint Car shows are all under someone else's sanction (USAC/CRA, ASCS and California Lightning Sprint Cars). That is up to those governing bodies to hand out discipline to their respective drivers & crews if there is an incident.

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Originally Posted by tony sessions 17:
Well this just does it, i normally don't comment on here but i see a need to say something, If someone wants to fight, they should maybe take up wrestling or boxing, Landon when you say someone should get punched in the mouth, you are setting a tone you will have to contend with all next season, i remember just a few short years ago you drove in on me way over you head in turns 1 and 2 at gas city, tore alot up on my car and hit me in the elbow, i remember you walking down to my pits and saying sorry, now Landin should i have punched you in the mouth or showed you mercy like Jesus Christ wants all of us to do! I was out of commission all of the 2010 race season because of another driver who welched on a contract of racing my car and destroying it, well i had every right to "Punch him in the mouth" and or sue him, i chose neither and decided to show him mercy and forgiveness, my point being if we can't show each other mercy , forgiveness, and grace, and are worried about getting our cars tore up,we shouldn't be on the race track. This is not intended to offend anyone or try to call you out Landon, but i just don't understand what punching someone in the mouth does, it doesn't change the situation and the cars are still tore up, now you just added a bloody lip, everyone should man up and go down to someones pits and offer help and an appology for what happened. ;)

Tony I still can't believe how much grace you showed me that night at Gas City... You are a great man and I cant thank you enough for how you handled that situation with me! you taught me alot that night about how to be forgiving.... I didnt mean to make it sounds like I promote fighting... or that it solves anything.. I have just seen to many times this year were a driver has taking his frustration out on the track and cause others to be involved... I hate the idea of someone risking the live of others just to prove a point on the track.. and thats were i say a pop in the mouth would be a better choice but still not the right one!

P.S. If it was like the old ass i would probly get my butt kicked alot... so i should be thankfull its not!!!

I understand what you are saying and I respect your opinion. But if it is the same guy that is constantly running into you and tearing up your stuff sometimes a punch in the mouth will put a stop to it. I've seen Bob Kinser punch guys in the mouth for doing something stupid and then have a beer with them like nothing ever happened. It is a matter of respect something a lot of people racing today have very little of for a fellow driver much less for their car or someone elses car
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Wide Open 24 Remember what you did at Butler couple years ago & the gang there wanted to lynch you? :34:
And Kinser yeah I made a lot of my friends in school by getting in a fight w/ them. Principal told us to shake hands & be friends, so we were & still are. But that was way long ago. :32:

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Bad Dad 54: Just because it isn't the 'old days' doesn't mean, that men have to allow themselves to be disrespected either.

Look, I'm not saying if somebody touches your car, you run down and drill 'em.

But, if somebody is constantly banging wheels, or somebody decides to drive through you (instead of around you) >then busting them in the mouth is in order!

Everybody has went into a corner too hot, or thought they could get by somebody but didn't...it's the repeated stupidity and blatant moronic driving, that calls for a 'meeting'. If you got into somebody, and you go down and say 'Sorry', they may or may not accept that...and you should be ready for either.

Like Landon said, there is no sense in tearing up several thousand dollars or your own stuff, or somebody elses...or possibly getting somebody else hurt, by stuffing somebody on the track.

Jesus was the only perfect human to ever walk this earth. I try to do 'right' daily, but sadly, I also fall short of that...daily.

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Need for speed Amen :2: I totally agree.:6:

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Originally Posted by JEFFSTOY:
what group and where at

Still don't have any answer to this question WHO, WHAT,WHERE. Wherever this "happened", is where it needs to be handled, I don't race anywhere that this wouldn't be addressed by the race track, not on a public forum. Bob

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Still don't have any answer to this question WHO, WHAT,WHERE. Wherever this "happened", is where it needs to be handled, I don't race anywhere that this wouldn't be addressed by the race track, not on a public forum. Bob

Sorry Bob but I as I sataed earlier I'm not telling who, what, where, when. I did not intend to get anyone in trouble just that I have some drivers, crew members, & others asking me about this incident. I've heard it's been handled. Send dirt track racer 74 a PM, he seems to know.

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All of this reminds me of a story about A.J. Foyt getting bumped during a heat race at Terre Haute during a USAC sprint race in the'60s by Johnny White. When they pulled into the pits, Johnny remained strapped into his car with his helmet on while A.J. had a meeting with White, tapping on his helmet with a ballpin hammer to get his attention.

Foyt, by then winner of the Indy 500, was suspended for two races. Cars pitted in the infield back then and it happened in front of the whole grandstands, not out of sight as would be the case today.
I understand that today if a driver goes to another driver's pits following an incident at a USAC race, it is a $500 fine.

There was a deal out here in Iowa about 10 years ago where a modified driver rammed a car in the pits following an on-track incident during a heat race. There were several people standing beside the car when the incident happened. The race track, and the sanctioning body of IMCA, banned the driver for life. There were also ******** charges.

Larry Kemp over at Eldora Speedway should remember the incident well as he was the promoter at Benton County Speedway here in Vinton, Iowa, at the time the incident happened. Justice came swiftly, it was only two or three days of the race that the suspensions were handed down.
Jim Morrison

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When we owned N.A.M.A.R.S. a driver slammed his helmet into another drivers temple at a track in Ohio one night after a race. It wasn't a very good choice for the attacker as he was suspended from racing in N.A.M.A.R.S. for one year. And if anything like that happened again, he would have been prosecuted to the fullest.
This discussion can go on with many, many ways to handle the situation and it cannot be allowed without strong measures. Once that's done, people will think very hard and long before it happens again. The "OLD DAYS" are just that, but in todays world, it really won't work.

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When I made the rules for MSCS, the rule was that anyone entering some else pit area to cause trouble or to fight will be automatically suspended for the night with no points and money. Any intentional rough driving or unsportsman like conduct would be handled the same way. This is a good rule, but has to be governed by the people in charge or sanctioning body. The current MSCS people have turned their heads on this situation and has let this rule slide. Sam Stockon Sr. Founder of MSCS

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:3: Admit it Sam. You would have let Rose handle it. If the person were smart there would never be more trouble!

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Snoopy you are absolutely right. Rose or the offficials would have handled it. Thank God for Rosalie!

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Sam, you probably had more participants in MSCS, we averaged 34 cars per show and usually booked 30 shows a season. Rainouts sometimes lowered that figure.
There were between 10 to 13 regular travelers that made EVERY SHOW, and they all pretty much got along for the most part, so taking away their points, etc was moot in this situation. Whenever there was trouble though, it was generally from someone that didn't run on regularly basis and wasn't familiar with our rules, even though they had a rule book and were at the drivers and car owners meetings each night before the races started.
An assult such as what happened that night in N.A.M.A.R.S., could have killed that person very easily if he was hit in the right spot with that helmet, fortunately it didn't but it does call for serious consequences.
After his posted suspension, most competitors and their families felt they didn't have to walk around on egg shells anymore.

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so , what ever happened with this situation ? was there any punishment handed out ? or was it just swept under the rug ?inquiring minds would like to know

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Yes the situation was handled, it's done & over w/.