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Hello all,
I am thinking of possible starting a new limited 305 sprint car class to race in 2011 around the western indiana,eastern illinois area.
I know there has been others for steel blocks,and know everyone will be skeptical of anything right now, and I cant blame them.
But, I think I have come up with a solid plan,with rules,that will never change once racing begins.And be truly affordable,truly fair to all.
I have no other interest other than trying to get something together for the low dollar guys.PLEASE, go to my business web page,www.cae-engines.com and click on the left button for new series and read my ideas.
Please tell everyone you all know that may have an interest in this,have them read about it, and please give me a call to discuss it.
If there seems to be enough interest, I will pursue this alone,and see where it leads. May only be one track or two, maybe just a few races the first year, maybe nothing will come of it, but I am willing to try for all of you out there that feel left out and put upon lately.
Thank you
Curt Eldredge www.cae-engines.com 812-533-0082 ON FACEBOOK @CAE ENGINES

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I've wondered why 305s hadn't jumped across the stateline from OH. There are strong fields weekly at Attica and Fremont on dirt the Buckeye 305s have been running around on asphalt for at least 15 years. Any ideas why it hasn't happened yet? Is it that the cost of buying and running a used NW 410 isn't that much higher than a 305? Anybody know how the costs and expenses for the two really compare?

they got 305s at knoville and several other tracks cross the mississippi and in pennsylvania i beleive. like 360s have become the expense to compete is exploding out of control.
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Seems like there are two types of 305's. Divisisons built on the Racesaver series, and everything else. If I were going to start, I would make sure that my rules were not complete one offs.

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thats exactly what this series would fix

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Being a 305 series, that means you probably dont have the funds to drive to iowa,ohio,penn.....or them to come here to run for nickles and dimes..or would want to waste the money to do so. As long as it is a fair,affordable series, there is no reason to copy all their rules to a tee.
I have read their rules. Mine are cheaper. period.
I wont make you buy steel wheels,I wont let $1,000 dollar alum heads in,I wont make you buy a spec tire.My engines to sell will be less than half price of the so called"saver" series.
My idea is not for a universal national series, that would be stupid.
I do not agree with aluminum heads,and there will be none.
It is a very local deal,with black and white rules, that you cant argue will contain cost.
The racer/owner can build his own to our rules, and get it inspected and sealed,or I will offer a long block,minus injectors and mag for around $3500.
I will have complete legal heads for around $300 per pair.

Go to my website, as i had asked, and read.Many of your questions can be answered there.
There is nothing to argue about. Black and white. either you want to be a part of this, or not.It makes ABSOLUTELY no difference to me, as I can go play golf and forget about racing forever and be perfectly happy.
I am not in this for an argument,there is enough drama in my life.
Just thought about helping the low dollar racer as well providing a stepping stone from the mini sprint to a full sprint.
Remember,this is JUST an idea so far.I got tired of people saying,"if I ran a series", or "someone should"......well, I decided to step up and give it a shot,only if y'all want.
If I dont get enough people interested, then no big deal, I will drop it.
It,s up to you guys. Do you want this?
I have only got 1 phone call so far

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Originally Posted by jpa317:
I've wondered why 305s hadn't jumped across the stateline from OH. There are strong fields weekly at Attica and Fremont on dirt the Buckeye 305s have been running around on asphalt for at least 15 years. Any ideas why it hasn't happened yet? Is it that the cost of buying and running a used NW 410 isn't that much higher than a 305? Anybody know how the costs and expenses for the two really compare?

Excellent question.
basically chassis costs will be the same(same car) with the exception with our series, you cant use cockpit adjustable shocks,or chassis adjusters.That takes the advantage of $1,000 a piece shocks away.
Engine wise, our long block will be priced around $3500,just add your injectors and mag.(if you cant or dont want to build your own.)
You will be allowed to build your own, but we must inspect and seal it.
You can get a used 410 engine around $8,000 and up, but will have little chance to be competitive enough to give you a legit chance to win against the very good field out there week in and week out.
And if you break it, much much more expensive and longer to fix.

If, and big if,this series happens, your schedule will be limited, and there may only be a track or two. If you want to run every week, this probably wont happen with us.
Consider everything before deciding anything.
Thank you

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My only question is where do you plan on running these? Most dirt tracks in Indiana already run 3-5 different classes on a regular basis. Do you think this will replace one of those or just add on another one? Not trying to be negative, but I personally don't see a need at this point. We don't need to add classes to already crowded regular shows and we certainly don't need to water down already lower car counts in other classes. JMO.

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Originally Posted by Mud Packer:
My only question is where do you plan on running these? Most dirt tracks in Indiana already run 3-5 different classes on a regular basis. Do you think this will replace one of those or just add on another one? Not trying to be negative, but I personally don't see a need at this point. We don't need to add classes to already crowded regular shows and we certainly don't need to water down already lower car counts in other classes. JMO.

Thank you for your input.You may be right, and you may be the majority out there. I just dont know.THAT is why I am wanting to hear from everyone.I have taken several calls from people excited about the chance of being able to run a sprint car without having to mortgage their house.
To them, there is a need.
If it gets that far,maybe run a top wing, to make them different,and a novelty in this area.I am open to all ideas.
I am a sprint car owner/driver,been born into it,its been a part of my family since 1919. I have seen and experienced almost all my friends and fellow racers quit because of the absurd cost.The ones still in it are only doing so for the love of it, and are never in contention to win many races,and know it.
Maybe there are just so many sprint cars in this area, with huge unlimited budgets, that the majority doesnt care about the little guy any more.

This idea is just that, an idea.to see how many there might be, THEN searching for a fitting track or tracks.
I will agree, there are many classes now,and it is out of necessity for promoters to stay alive.If, after I do get many people interested, then I can approach a promoter with numbers.for possible dates.
The ill fated SCORA steel block series had no trouble fitting in nicely at several tracks,before it was nuked from within.Promoters want to hear numbers when you talk to them.20 cars or more that will run a much lower purse than 410 tends to get their attention.
I'm not about to put the cart before the horse here.The starting point is for people interested to call me.Without numbers, I am not doing anything.
I may not be able to do anything with numbers, but at least it gets me off the couch to try

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I am giving my vote and approval to this idea. With this system a racer can be involved in a fun sport of Sprint Cars without the outlandish expense that it now takes. I was the first winner of 305 Sprint Cars at Attica, Ohio in 1988. They started with four cars the first night, but with a promoter that stuck with the idea, it did not take many weeks to build a field of 20 plus cars. I feel with the proper support and some leg work this can become a successful venture and will give alot of people a chance to run a Sprint Car. I know from a fans standpoint that they would rather go to a track that would replace a fendered class with a Sprint Car class. The money would make this possible both on the racers part and be affordable to the race tracks. You guys that are interested, let Curt know. At this time there are many Sprint Car rollers available and with this motor set up you could be in business for the price of a Bomber. Sam Stockon Sr

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You might want to contact French Grimes or one of the other region leaders that run under the RaceSaver 305 spec. I've attended both the PASS series and Virginia Sprints and both put on very good racing for 305's.

http://www.racesaver.com/regions.cfm

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Originally Posted by curt4p:
Thank you for your input.You may be right, and you may be the majority out there. I just dont know.THAT is why I am wanting to hear from everyone.I have taken several calls from people excited about the chance of being able to run a sprint car without having to mortgage their house.
To them, there is a need.
If it gets that far,maybe run a top wing, to make them different,and a novelty in this area.I am open to all ideas.
I am a sprint car owner/driver,been born into it,its been a part of my family since 1919. I have seen and experienced almost all my friends and fellow racers quit because of the absurd cost.The ones still in it are only doing so for the love of it, and are never in contention to win many races,and know it.
Maybe there are just so many sprint cars in this area, with huge unlimited budgets, that the majority doesnt care about the little guy any more.

This idea is just that, an idea.to see how many there might be, THEN searching for a fitting track or tracks.
I will agree, there are many classes now,and it is out of necessity for promoters to stay alive.If, after I do get many people interested, then I can approach a promoter with numbers.for possible dates.
The ill fated SCORA steel block series had no trouble fitting in nicely at several tracks,before it was nuked from within.Promoters want to hear numbers when you talk to them.20 cars or more that will run a much lower purse than 410 tends to get their attention.
I'm not about to put the cart before the horse here.The starting point is for people interested to call me.Without numbers, I am not doing anything.
I may not be able to do anything with numbers, but at least it gets me off the couch to try

From a completely selfish point of view, please consider Red Hill Raceway in Sumner, IL as a potential venue. I am sick and tired of knowing there is a very nice track sitting idle so close by.

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As a fan it would be nice to see them run at some other tracks like the previous poster mentioned. There are some really nice tracks that cant always afford to run a USAC national show. Vermilion County Speedway would be another good fit for a lower budget series. Also as a fan it gets too expensive to always attend the big shows. I would hope that something like this series would not cost 20 dollars to watch. Between the gas prices and ticket prices always going up its getting very hard for me to attend a lot of races.

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I am all for this series and really hope it works out. I've been dirt racing for years and would love to get into sprints but can't drop $10,000 on a motor. If this series gets going I could see myself putting a car together for it as soon as my funds get in line. Just keep it where a guy can still build his own motor and get it inspected and sealed without a lot of hassle. I agree that it will give tracks a chance to run sprints that usually don't have them and can't afford them.

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Originally Posted by davidm:
You might want to contact French Grimes or one of the other region leaders that run under the RaceSaver 305 spec. I've attended both the PASS series and Virginia Sprints and both put on very good racing for 305's.

http://www.racesaver.com/regions.cfm

David,
I am aware of the rules for the racesaver.Mine are MUCH cheaper,and are set in stone.
www.cae-engines.com............please read
The engine rules are set in place.
Now, I need people to contact me with their support
812-533-0082
In just 5 days, I have taken 7 calls from very happy racers in our area.
If I get enough support, I will do everything in my power to make this happen.
I am sincere, and honest,and will operate this group as such.

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Originally Posted by nathans1012:
What would the payout possibly look like? Any ideas on that yet?
This is a good idea maybe make it a winged series. I think that would work in this region (Western Indiana & Eastern Illinois). There are alot of tracks in this area that would like to see a winged sprint car race at their track with out the high cost of bring them to their respective tracks. Good Luck. It would be great to see this series work out.

Thank you for your input.
I dont know if I will get enough people interested to call me first, so I can get an idea how many would consider supporting it. It is way too early to discuss what track or payouts yet. We are only in the beginning stages of an idea here.
I cant stress how important it is to call me,or e-mail me letting me know you would support it.
While I do not care for wings myself....I do think the advantages will outweigh the disadvantages. For one, you are right, fans are interested in wings(they would be the ones paying our bills)and promoters would like offering something different looking,also, big numbers on the wings,easy to read for the scorers,a place for sponsors,What I dont like is adding an expense for the racer,and finding a place to carry the wing in or on the trailer.Another thought is to try to race at one track.Interest should build faster that way ,rather than making the racer travel around, and fans only seeing it once or twice at their track.Out of sight,out of mind.If we did travel, try to keep it limited,keeping in mind what it costs to get there.

Curt Eldredge 812-533-0082 E_MAILcaeengines@yahoo.com WEBSITE www.cae-engines.com FACEBOOK cae engines

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Originally Posted by thunder31:
I am all for this series and really hope it works out. I've been dirt racing for years and would love to get into sprints but can't drop $10,000 on a motor. If this series gets going I could see myself putting a car together for it as soon as my funds get in line. Just keep it where a guy can still build his own motor and get it inspected and sealed without a lot of hassle. I agree that it will give tracks a chance to run sprints that usually don't have them and can't afford them.

Thank you so much for the kind words

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Originally Posted by Avon Open Wheel fan:
As a fan it would be nice to see them run at some other tracks like the previous poster mentioned. There are some really nice tracks that cant always afford to run a USAC national show. Vermilion County Speedway would be another good fit for a lower budget series. Also as a fan it gets too expensive to always attend the big shows. I would hope that something like this series would not cost 20 dollars to watch. Between the gas prices and ticket prices always going up its getting very hard for me to attend a lot of races.

I agree with you, seems everybody has forgotten it's about the fans, and we are in the entertainment business.fans should feel they are getting what they pay for.I have a few ideas how to promote this as an event, not just another race.

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Originally Posted by illinisprintfan:
From a completely selfish point of view, please consider Red Hill Raceway in Sumner, IL as a potential venue. I am sick and tired of knowing there is a very nice track sitting idle so close by.

I would if it would open.........doubt anything will become of it anytime soon. shame