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was attending sat. nights race at tri-state and just wondering how much time and laps your allowed to get your car back on the track. there was a 10 minute red and then another 8-10 laps after the cars were pushed off and yet they still waited for the points leader. does that apply for all or is their a set time and laps for working on your car??

MSCS Rules!!........
 

Originally Posted by kdmillerman:
was attending sat. nights race at tri-state and just wondering how much time and laps your allowed to get your car back on the track. there was a 10 minute red and then another 8-10 laps after the cars were pushed off and yet they still waited for the points leader. does that apply for all or is their a set time and laps for working on your car??

JMO...bet'n there are alota folks standing by...wait'n on an answer from series officials,on this very question you brought up here!!...........
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They waited on him because he was done changing the tire before the yellow came back out and MSCS made a mistake on who pushed him off the track. Blake had every right to get out of his car and get mad like he did. It was BS on what they tried to pull off last night. But anyway B.fitz is the man to beat now and he done a hell of a job last night!

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The points leader was pushed off the track dureing the red by someone OTHER THAN HIS PIT CREW and once on the service area he was blocked in by some of the mods lineing up for their feature race

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someone from mscs should man up and tell ballou never come back!! and no everyone i am not related to john memmer in anyway!!

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Originally Posted by jim goerge:
The points leader was pushed off the track dureing the red by someone OTHER THAN HIS PIT CREW and once on the service area he was blocked in by some of the mods lineing up for their feature race

It was nice meeting you Jim...I have much appreciation for the work you all do night in and night out.

Originally Posted by allstar racer:
They waited on him because he was done changing the tire before the yellow came back out and MSCS made a mistake on who pushed him off the track. Blake had every right to get out of his car and get mad like he did. It was BS on what they tried to pull off last night. But anyway B.fitz is the man to beat now and he done a hell of a job last night!

The thing is, a rule is a rule. As Jim stated, somebody other than a track vehicle pushed BFITZ off the track. Whether Blake had anything to do with that or not, isn't an issue. Rules are rules, he has brakes on his car and could have very well locked them up so the driver who pushed him off couldnt have done so. Either way, he was fun to watch come through the field.

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I had a BLAST meeting all you IOW'ers too Now can put a face with the names I'll be looking foreward to the next time we can talk again and thanks for the nice comments

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Oh yeah bout send heat was wishin I had one of those big chops lol :14:next ime I'm eating with you guys lol

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Originally Posted by allstar racer:
But anyway B.fitz is the man to beat now and he done a hell of a job last night!

Ummm I think the guy drivin the 53 may have something to say about that.

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Originally Posted by jim goerge:
[/COLOR]Oh yeah bout send heat was wishin I had one of those big chops lol :14:next ime I'm eating with you guys lol

You are welcome to join us anytime!! :6:

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Originally Posted by racefan20:
Ummm I think the guy drivin the 53 may have something to say about that.

the guy driving the 53 stanbrough didnt have to work his way from the back up front now did he? Stanbrough is a hell of a driver too and prob one of my favorites but fitz is doing a hell of a job here recently.

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Originally Posted by allstar racer:
the guy driving the 53 stanbrough didnt have to work his way from the back up front now did he? Stanbrough is a hell of a driver too and prob one of my favorites but fitz is doing a hell of a job here recently.

Thats fine you have to race the spot you are given, didnt seem to be a problem when Jon came from the back Friday in his heat. The simple facts are although Fitz has taken his game to another level this year and is the most improved driver in my eyes, Jon has won 21 races this year and $15000 in 2 nights work. Sorry Fitz has got some driving to do to sniff the rarified air that Stanbrough and the Fox boys are breathing.

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Originally Posted by wildman92:
You are welcome to join us anytime!! :6:

Jen I'll see all you over at the burgh It was really nice meeting you all and maybe next time Sam will kick my butt playing korn hole :9:

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Originally Posted by bmemmer:
someone from mscs should man up and tell ballou never come back!! and no everyone i am not related to john memmer in anyway!!

What happenend:11:

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The thing is, a rule is a rule. As Jim stated, somebody other than a track vehicle pushed BFITZ off the track. Whether Blake had anything to do with that or not, isn't an issue. Rules are rules, he has brakes on his car and could have very well locked them up so the driver who pushed him off couldnt have done so. Either way, he was fun to watch come through the field.[/QUOTE]

It's very possible that Blake had no idea who was pushing him.I don't know that to be the case,I'm just saying it's possible.

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Originally Posted by allstar racer:
They waited on him because he was done changing the tire before the yellow came back out and MSCS made a mistake on who pushed him off the track. Blake had every right to get out of his car and get mad like he did. It was BS on what they tried to pull off last night. But anyway B.fitz is the man to beat now and he done a hell of a job last night!

So he changed the tire under red? Is that a violation? Just curious, as I would rather watch him than sit him.

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You talk about a question of rules, I have one: Why was Brady Short allowed to start side by side with Hughes in his heat race. There was a yellow and the anouncer said he was supposed to start 7th behind T-Mez. I heard that drivers said that he was told numerous times over the race reciever to go back and refused. MSCS threw the green anyways. I understand drivers fighting for spots that they think they gained. What I don't understand is why MSCS did nothing but allow him his transfer spot. I been around racing a long time and standard rules usually say you go back 2 spots for every one you gain when you jump a start. By refusing to go back he jumped the start and should have been put back 4 spots.

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Originally Posted by 3Cfan:
So he changed the tire under red? Is that a violation? Just curious, as I would rather watch him than sit him.

I dont believe it is a violation to work under red the violation came when for some reason Robert Ballou proceeded to go out on the track with a 4wheeler and push Fitz back to the work area. When he got their MSCS disqualified him Fitz got out of the car at that point and thought his night was done. Well since it was not his crew member who pushed him MSCS elected to let him back in the race and it took so long because they had to wait for him to strap back in. So the question is what was Robert Ballou thinking?

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Originally Posted by 3Cfan:
So he changed the tire under red? Is that a violation? Just curious, as I would rather watch him than sit him.

Changeing the tire is not a violation but when you do you restart at the back of the pack :8:

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How come MSCS rules get questioned just as much as USAC rules and make less sense than USAC rules (No work area) but people always hype MSCS as the "racers series"?

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Originally Posted by rclaridge:
The thing is, a rule is a rule. As Jim stated, somebody other than a track vehicle pushed BFITZ off the track. Whether Blake had anything to do with that or not, isn't an issue. Rules are rules, he has brakes on his car and could have very well locked them up so the driver who pushed him off couldnt have done so. Either way, he was fun to watch come through the field.

It's very possible that Blake had no idea who was pushing him.I don't know that to be the case,I'm just saying it's possible.[/QUOTE]
if blake is strapped in the car how does he know who is pushing him

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with the #10 and the #53 on laps turned and features won and crashes , the #53 is hand down the man to beat , I saw Blake trash 2 or 3 cars at the mscs shows a month or so ago while leading the race by half a lap or more , no one but blake caused him to wreck . He is a hell of a driver , but not in the same league as #53 Stanbrough . My money would be on Jon not Blake even if #53 started on the tail and #10 on the pole . and I would still put a Ben Franklin on Jon to win , any day .And at Bloomington Speedway its not even a Race anymore for Jon , they should just mail him the CHECK !!! only kidding , get a few of ya Pi--ed off at me but thats life. Don't mean to knock Blake but come on guys we all know who's the MAN , #53 Jon Stanbrough :8::2::22:

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Originally Posted by axsom#11:
with the #10 and the #53 on laps turned and features won and crashes , the #53 is hand down the man to beat , I saw Blake trash 2 or 3 cars at the mscs shows a month or so ago while leading the race by half a lap or more , no one but blake caused him to wreck . He is a hell of a driver , but not in the same league as #53 Stanbrough . My money would be on Jon not Blake even if #53 started on the tail and #10 on the pole . and I would still put a Ben Franklin on Jon to win , any day .And at Bloomington Speedway its not even a Race anymore for Jon , they should just mail him the CHECK !!! only kidding , get a few of ya Pi--ed off at me but thats life. Don't mean to knock Blake but come on guys we all know who's the MAN , #53 Jon Stanbrough :8::2::22:

How many more years of experience does JS and Team Foxco have versus Team Fitzpatrick?

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Jon is most definitely the man. But don't let that take anything away from what Blake has done. His game has evolved at such a rapid rate that he could literally be the Most Improved Driver, two years in a row. And we're talking about a kid that started out fast. From day one. But now he's fast and multi-dimensional. On some tracks, I'm sure Jon knows that he's going to have to use every arrow in his quiver if he wants to beat this young hard charger. And comparing them overall isn't fair, because Jon is an all-time great and the other guy we're talking about is 18 years old. I'm just thankful that we have another young driver that's developing into a star. That's what makes this racing scene the envy of the rest of the country, IMO. There's cycle after cycle of the best there's ever been, doing battle with the best there ever will be.

Jerry

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Originally Posted by USAC Fan:
How come MSCS rules get questioned just as much as USAC rules and make less sense than USAC rules (No work area) but people always hype MSCS as the "racers series"?

Huh? Who said that?:11: Link, please.

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Originally Posted by USAC Fan:
How come MSCS rules get questioned just as much as USAC rules and make less sense than USAC rules (No work area) but people always hype MSCS as the "racers series"?

Where in the hell did you get the USAC no work area :10:

Originally Posted by USAC Fan:
How come MSCS rules get questioned just as much as USAC rules and make less sense than USAC rules (No work area) but people always hype MSCS as the "racers series"?

Correction! MSCS does have a work area during the feature event. So where you got that they didn't, who knows.
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Originally Posted by axsom#11:
with the #10 and the #53 on laps turned and features won and crashes , the #53 is hand down the man to beat , I saw Blake trash 2 or 3 cars at the mscs shows a month or so ago while leading the race by half a lap or more , no one but blake caused him to wreck . He is a hell of a driver , but not in the same league as #53 Stanbrough . My money would be on Jon not Blake even if #53 started on the tail and #10 on the pole . and I would still put a Ben Franklin on Jon to win , any day .And at Bloomington Speedway its not even a Race anymore for Jon , they should just mail him the CHECK !!! only kidding , get a few of ya Pi--ed off at me but thats life. Don't mean to knock Blake but come on guys we all know who's the MAN , #53 Jon Stanbrough :8::2::22:

Soo your saying Stanbrough didnt trash a few cars in the beggining of his career?? You learn from your mistakes and thats what blake has done and hes improved ALOT and is continuing to improve..

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I agree with Jerry, this isn't a fair comparison. Jon is a proven winner and arguably the best ever. He has never been hard on equipment and has nothing left to prove. Blake is just getting started and his development the past couple years has been outstanding. He shows flashes of brillance, especially at some tracks like Tri-State. We in Indiana are all so lucky to see Jon in his prime and young guys like Blake racing weekly. We can all argue this point 15-20 years from now when we see how Blake develops but at this point Jon is the man. Who knows, they both may still be racing if we are lucky?

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Originally Posted by jim goerge:
Where in the hell did you get the USAC no work area :10:

Until recently it seems, MSCS had a rule that stated if you exited the race track at any time, you could not come back (i.e. no work area allowed).

It wasnt a USAC rule.

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Originally Posted by USAC Fan:
Until recently it seems, MSCS had a rule that stated if you exited the race track at any time, you could not come back (i.e. no work area allowed).

It wasnt a USAC rule.

Correction again...MSCS I believe has always had a work in the Amain event only.

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Originally Posted by on_the_edge:
Correction again...MSCS I believe has always had a work in the Amain event only.

Not according to several posts in the past.

Last year I believe Stanbrough went out to change a flat at TSS and was not allowed to come back thus the uproar.

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Originally Posted by USAC Fan:
Not according to several posts in the past.

Last year I believe Stanbrough went out to change a flat at TSS and was not allowed to come back thus the uproar.

In a heat race or bmain but not in the amain. They did used to have a rule that when going to the work area you could change anything except a left front tire. Not so sure that is the case anymore though because DG changed his the other night. And you are also allowed to only have 3 laps from the time you enter the work area and the field is set to make your changes, once the 1 to go is given you are not allowed back on the racing surface.

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Originally Posted by on_the_edge:
In a heat race or bmain but not in the amain. They did used to have a rule that when going to the work area you could change anything except a left front tire. Not so sure that is the case anymore though because DG changed his the other night. And you are also allowed to only have 3 laps from the time you enter the work area and the field is set to make your changes, once the 1 to go is given you are not allowed back on the racing surface.

If thats the case, that's good, that's how it should be.

Unlike most here, I don't pretend to know something I don't, such as the MSCS rules because I refuse to run MSCS races.

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Originally Posted by allstar racer:
Soo your saying Stanbrough didnt trash a few cars in the beggining of his career?? You learn from your mistakes and thats what blake has done and hes improved ALOT and is continuing to improve..

Your original post wasnt comparing JS and Fitz in the beginning of their careers it was comparing them right now. I agree as do most that Fitz is a rising star but JS is having ANOTHER of those historic years. Face it you aint gonna win this argument. If Fitz can win HALF the races Jon has in his career he will still be considered a great driver, he is just not there....yet.

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Originally Posted by USAC Fan:
If thats the case, that's good, that's how it should be.

Unlike most here, I don't pretend to know something I don't, such as the MSCS rules because I refuse to run MSCS races.

Can I ask why you refuse to run some of the best paying races anywhere?

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Originally Posted by USAC Fan:
If thats the case, that's good, that's how it should be.

Unlike most here, I don't pretend to know something I don't, such as the MSCS rules because I refuse to run MSCS races.

The last 3 MSCS races pay a total of 25000 to win 25 thousand to win Why won't you run them don't you like racing for money are maybe you're already rich and don't need it really I just wondering :16

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Originally Posted by jim goerge:
The last 3 MSCS races pay a total of 25000 to win 25 thousand to win Why won't you run them don't you like racing for money are maybe you're already rich and don't need it really I just wondering :16

Who is this unnamed individual:37:

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Thanks race fan20 , were only comparing Jon and Blake now , and Jon is by far the best , Blake will make a great driver . In a couple of years he will be winning a lot of races . and YES Jon has trashed a few cars in his life time and has a few more to trash . Jon and his experence shines when a yellow or red comes out and he's running lets say 5th or maybe 8th . Next thing you know Jon has the lead and running off with the MONEY!!! Give him a little time to adjust the shocks and weight jacker and watch out he's gone. It's like he just turns it up a couple of levels and runs off and leaves them in his dust. There's The #53 in the early part of the race and a different #53 late in the race . That is experence 20 years of it behind the wheel . Blake is going to be a great driver some day . And Jon didn't start out with a Sh-- load of CASH behind him in a $350.000.00 dollar rig and unlimited cars and parts. Wonder if Blake could do it on limited funds . Ha there a new one for the message board to start a thread on, we should start a pole on it . and see what people think of that. Not trying to run Blake down , just wondering how it would play out. :14::16:22:

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I think the important thing in the Jon vs. Blake debate here is that there is a youngster that is already fast and steadily improving that has the potential to be a star. The sport needs youngsters that are racing sprint cars not just to get to the next series but are here for the enjoyment and the sport. We've seen lots of young drivers in sprint cars in the last few years, but they are gone after a couple of years either to other series are because they didn't advance quickly enough. We need stars like Blake to develop and take over for the stars of today (like Jon and DD) as they age up and cut back on their racing schedules.

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Exactly who started a Jon vs Blake debate anyway?:20: Two very good drivers at different ends of the spectrum. One a veteran, the other a up and comer. Trying to compare is fruitless. Just sit back and enjoy both of them and let their true talent shine. Why does it alway have to be pi--ing contest.:19: