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qualifying going on right now. 22 or 23 cars i think. track is HEAVY.
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fast qualifier was Jerrod Hull
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Any regular All Star drivers at Bloomington tonight?

Thanks for the updates!!!

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Heard my nephew Logan Hupp was 3rd quick in qualifying!! Anyone able to confirm this?

If it's true nice job Logan!!

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Oh yeah they are running wangs tonight Guess I am more in to Gas City tonight then JMO:29:

randy hannagan wins heat one over ty deckard and dickie gaines
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Anything else happened?

Cap Henry wins heat two over ethan barrow and jerrod hull
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brandon wimmer wins heat three over david gravel and logan hupp
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brandon wimmer won over a hard charging jerrod hull
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WHAT A WASTE OF MONEY !! THEY FORGOT TO TELL PEOPLE THAT IT IS THE B SERIES. NOT THE OLD AND FAST ALL STARS SERIES . midwest all stars couldn't pack the ALL STARS helmet bag to the track. The local boys almost out ran the midwest all stars. Should have gone to GAS CITY . having non wing withdrawl , been 2 week with out bloomington speedway nonwing. And I now Chris will say something about this . but Chris you know I'm right . Go watch some slide jobs at LPS tonight , if they don't get rained out. :14::29:
NOT KNOCKING BLOOMINGTON SPEEDWAY AT ALL , I LOVE BLOOMINGTON SPEEDWAY . guess I should do my homework about the Midwest All Stars.

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Hell why would I say anything about it lol I went to watch the Modifieds last night lol

Woooohoooo!! Congrats to Brandon!!!
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Hey Chris maybe I'll see ya at the track. The Mods were a good race , just a little pi---- with the midwest wing series , would like to get the real ALL STARS IN TOWN. LIKE THE GOOD OLD DAYS .:22:

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Well in Bloomingtons defense, although ive been there all of twice this year, thats all they have ran the past five or six years is the Midwest All Stars. I was surprised in the fact that they got more than 20 cars. Seeing a local win would have been great

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Whats the reason Bloomington wont have the WoO anymore? You know they would pack the house with Steve, Kraig, Joey being from Indiana. Dont tell me cause its wings and racin sucks... blah blah blah... we all know it would be sold out... what happend? just curious

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[QUOTE=Gee2;190755]Whats the reason Bloomington wont have the WoO anymore? You know they would pack the house with Steve, Kraig, Joey being from Indiana. Dont tell me cause its wings and racin sucks... blah blah blah... we all know it would be sold out... what happend? just curious[/QUI I would say it would be a money issue.You would need 3,000 fans at $30 a head to just break even.A tough venture in this day and age. Just my opinion.

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I wish I would have went last night. Cool that Wimmer picked up the win.

While I agree the Midwest All Star Series is a joke of a touring series, if you didn't realize it is not the same as the All Star Circuit of Champions that is your own fault. Webb runs this series also but it is not nearly as popular as it was as the Mid American Sprint Series before Webb took it over. The predecessor to that, the Great Lakes Outlaw Sprint Series, was excellent and included events throughout Indiana, Michigan, Ohio, and Illinois. Regulars like Kraig Kinser, Danny Smith, Kelly Kinser, Brandon Wimmer, Boston Reid, Paul May, Todd Kelly, Ken Mackey, and many others were fun to watch. It was always cool to see non-wing regulars from the tracks around Indiana (Kevin Briscoe, Dickie Gaines, Michael Burthay, Shane Hollingsworth, Tyler Pearce to name a few) put on the wings and be competitive. 2002 to 2004 was an awesome period of racing for sprint cars in Indiana, both wing and non-wing.

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Why were the modifieds run under a different sanctioning body last night? And what was the deal with that #46? He sure caused a lot of delay.
By the way, the modifieds were far better than the sprints last night. I always say I won't go to the winged race, but I do anyway and come away disappointed. I guess I am an optimist and show up hoping to see some side by side competitive racing that I did witness there when Randy Kinser ran the top. That was entertaining!
There was a good crowd last night and it was comfortable, even a bit cool as the evening wore on.
Program was a good bit longer than usual, but that is understandable due to the large modified count and two classes qualifying.

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Bloomington had two different sanctioning bodies there last night. The Midwest All Star Sprints and the American Modified Series. The Modifieds were still under UMP Sanction but it was a touring series that came in. Hence the new drivers that showed last night.

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Possibly the reason is the amount of money a promotor has to pony up front?If I understand correctly if it rains out and a reschedule is not possible a refund is not made? If a reschedule does happen thats good, but what if it doesn't happen until the next year? Some promotors have to borrow that money and have to pay interest and such? Anyone care to take a guess how much $$$ up front it might take to obtain a WoO date?
Last time if I remember correctly Bloomington's WoO show was rained out and was recheduled the next year.

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I heard 50k for WoO to come, but that might be high.

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ive heard 22000 that was from a few years ago

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That is very low, right around $95,000 8 years ago. Very tough for a promoter, because of the high ticket prices you would have to charge to even break even.

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from what I understand, both of you are pretty light on your guesses. I understand why promoters can't afford the up front $$$$. Don't blame them.

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I have no idea how much it costs to bring the Outlaws in but they had over 70 dates on their schedule this year. So somebody can afford them. The minor leaguers (USAC) had just over 40 dates on their schedule. Not to mention the WoO actually have a decent payout. 7 of the top 8 teams in points have made over $100,000 already, with the top 2 over $200,000, and that doesn't include the big Knoxville purse. That's quite a bit better than the peanuts that the USAC teams are forced to race for.

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Even with those kind of earnings, I would bet most teams have not come close to breaking even. As Karl Kinser said it isn't how much you make, it's how much you keep.

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I would think that with the national type sponsors that most of the top WoO teams have that most are doing ok. But they get those type of sponsors because they race before so many more fans from coast to coast. Unfortunately, USAC has shrunk to being barely a regional type series so most of their teams can barely get local sponsors.

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Just out of curiosity, how many outlaw shows at how many tracks do you attend? They priced me out a long time ago. I was at Knoxville and Osky and talked to people from both tracks and they were very impressed with the USAC shows. To each his own, enjoy what you like.

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As many as I can, if it's within driving distance and I can get away I'll go. So far this year I have been to Las Vegas, Volunteer Speedway, I-55, Eldora, Attica, I-96, Lasalle (IL) and Lima to see them. Don't get me wrong I enjoy non-wing racing too. The Outlaws are just my favorite. Believe it or not there are those of us who enjoy both styles. Most Friday nights I'm at Gas City and I go to Putnamville or Paragon on Saturdays 9 or 10 times a year. My big problem with non-wing racing is USAC. From my experience over the last 40 years is if there is a way to screw something up USAC will find it. I feel sorry for the teams and drivers that have stayed loyal to that organization. 40 years ago they were the most powerful organization in motorsports. Now, other than in Indiana, nobody knows or cares who they are and non-wing racing has paid the price.

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Hey Russ... well said, we in the same boat

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With all their faults, I don't ever remember their equiptment being repossessed, or any checks bouncing. I can not say the same for the Outlaws. Maybe not recently, but it has happened.

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Miles owner of bloomington said it was around $90,000 in esrow to get a show , thats a lot of money to sit in the bank for 6 months. But it sure would be nice to see WOO at bloomington again. :22:

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So put up the money Greg, you got plenty of it:5: