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The winged cars have over 100 cars in each of their classes. Non wing has 15! I'm going after Belleville because I've never been to Knoxville but if nobody wants to race there what's the point, I might just wait till they put the wings on.
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As you could see by my tweet today, it says a lot about our drivers and teams when we can only get that many to enter and help support the event.
I know the race does not pay as much, but it is also the first one, and it would be nice if Knoxville could have some support in this endeavor. Instead, they get 14 entries so far (which means no one wanted to save any money on the entry fee), and half of those are either winged regulars, won't be there, or will have different drivers for the race.

Oskaloosa is pretty much the same list.
I am embarrassed.

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I noticed that myself after seeing Spridge's tweet
111 360's
101 410's
14 nonwing....

I can see why they sometimes think they should cancel races...

I know it's wing mecca out there, not looking to blame anyone

What do you consider the most prestigious traditional sprint car race out there?

What is a big car count for a crown jewel in Indiana?

I know they only start so many cars, but big car counts mean big pit pass sales, big concessions, big grandstand sales and big parties before or after the race. Which should mean most people will call it a success.

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I'd bet those 15 Sprint Cars will put on a better show then those 100 Wingers will.:18:

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Originally Posted by PAW:
I'd bet those 15 Sprint Cars will put on a better show then those 100 Wingers will.:18:

That's your opinion. In my opinion, the Knoxville Nationals are an awfully good show. They invert the heats. The field is very competitive. The Friday night show last year was fantastic.

Here are the entries so far:
2 Johnny Herrera
2x Wayne Johnson (injured, substitute will be Kyle Larson)
4 Tracy Hines
4U Kyle Cummins (this team split up in May)
10A Ricky Logan (I don't remember Logan ever running wingless)
11 Chris Windom
20 Levi Jones
67 Henry Clarke
67K Dave Darland (obviously aren't together anymore; kudos to Pete Willoughby for always sending in his pre-entries)
69 Jerry Coons, Jr.
69x Mike Moore (local winged driver)
71 Damion Gardner
81 Robert Ballou
99 Brady Bacon

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Knoxville 410 National is an event with history and the best purse in racing....

Knoxville 360 Nationals is as close as it gets to the real deal for the 360 guys...

Usac at Knoxville is a regular race 11 hours from home for most.....
5000 to win 425 to start...

You really cant expect to many teams to travel that far on a one off race that doesnt pay much more that a normal show...The only thing that may help is OSKY a couple days later....

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Originally Posted by PAW:
I'd bet those 15 Sprint Cars will put on a better show then those 100 Wingers will.:18:

(2) seven car heats and a feature... for $20 on a Sunday after (3) days of 360's.

Sounds like a get together, where as the 360's sounds like an event.

I'm not disagreeing about the quality of racing, it's the quantity of cars who bring the quantity of fans and the cash. Why did the Oswego race get cancelled, yet the Lucas Oil Late Models just ran last night to a packed house without any nascar drivers just a few hours from Oswego... I think dirt vs. pavement has something to do with it.

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There were 44 cars for last year's Knoxville race before it rained out.
Everything has to start somewhere.

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Originally Posted by wideopen24:
Knoxville 410 National is an event with history and the best purse in racing....

Knoxville 360 Nationals is as close as it gets to the real deal for the 360 guys...

Usac at Knoxville is a regular race 11 hours from home for most.....
5000 to win 425 to start...

You really cant expect to many teams to travel that far on a one off race that doesnt pay much more that a normal show...The only thing that may help is OSKY a couple days later....

Just to get off topic, why doesn't USAC run more shows in Ohio? Close to home, start some tradition, not too expensive. Not trying to start anything, just curious, I don't know the entire history of open wheel or usac. Fremont and Attica could be a good weekend to get some new fans.

Originally Posted by Kirk Spridgeon:
There were 44 cars for last year's Knoxville race before it rained out.
Everything has to start somewhere.

Was the osky race last year a usac race?
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Yes osky has been for couple years now.
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Originally Posted by RGardner:
Was the osky race last year a usac race?
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Yes.

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Originally Posted by Kirk Spridgeon:
As you could see by my tweet today, it says a lot about our drivers and teams when we can only get that many to enter and help support the event.
I know the race does not pay as much, but it is also the first one, and it would be nice if Knoxville could have some support in this endeavor. Instead, they get 14 entries so far (which means no one wanted to save any money on the entry fee), and half of those are either winged regulars, won't be there, or will have different drivers for the race.

Oskaloosa is pretty much the same list.
I am embarrassed.

Spridge,

Lincoln Park drew mid 20's last Saturday night for a USAC show. 1/2 an hour from Indianapolis. What would make you think that Knoxville, IA,10+ or - hours away would draw a huge car count? Pay out is about the same and if the locals here in Indiana don't support shows here, I doubt they would haul that far away to race. Remember, this is a SUNDAY night show as well.

The economy isn't any better and the racers here can't seem to afford 3 nights per weekend in Indiana. Also, many folks have already used up much if not all of their vacation and free time during sprint week and midget week. It certainly doesn't surprise me.

Indiana is a hot bed for 410 traditional sprint car racing. How many other states even have non-wing races weekly? I guess I was more surprised that only 101 410 sprint cars are pre-registered on the wing side. That count is down somewhat from years past as well. USAC certainly isn't the drawing card it once was.

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USAC had a "buckeye nationals" for a 2-3 years it ran sprintcar and migdets....if i remember rite we ran lima, attica, fremont, and eldora... waynesfield, skiline, and k-c would be good to add if USAC did an OHIO tour!

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Originally Posted by wideopen24:
USAC had a "buckeye nationals" for a 2-3 years it ran sprintcar and migdets....if i remember rite we ran lima, attica, fremont, and eldora... waynesfield, skiline, and k-c would be good to add if USAC did an OHIO tour!

that would be awesome!

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Originally Posted by Mud Packer:
Spridge,

Lincoln Park drew mid 20's last Saturday night for a USAC show. 1/2 an hour from Indianapolis. What would make you think that Knoxville, IA,10+ or - hours away would draw a huge car count? Pay out is about the same and if the locals here in Indiana don't support shows here, I doubt they would haul that far away to race. Remember, this is a SUNDAY night show as well.

The economy isn't any better and the racers here can't seem to afford 3 nights per weekend in Indiana. Also, many folks have already used up much if not all of their vacation and free time during sprint week and midget week. It certainly doesn't surprise me.

Indiana is a hot bed for 410 traditional sprint car racing. How many other states even have non-wing races weekly? I guess I was more surprised that only 101 410 sprint cars are pre-registered on the wing side. That count is down somewhat from years past as well. USAC certainly isn't the drawing card it once was.

The low count in Indiana is not surprising. It was after Sprintweek, had races against it, and some guys are just not a fan of Putnamville yet. If you look at last year's car counts at Knoxville and Oskaloosa, it proves that guys want to make the trip.

This trip is a destination for a lot of guys. People will take a weekend off from racing to prepare themselves to head west. Car count is not my concern for this race - PLENTY of guys have told me that they will be making the trip to Knoxville & Oskaloosa.

The problem is the lack of seeing the big picture in Sprint Car Racing right now. The Outlaws are seeing bigger crowds than ever simply by spreading themselves over more markets. People ask me all the time why there aren't USAC or traditional Sprint Car races in certain states or areas. The answer isn't a lack of interest. The answer is that there are very few who aspire to be more than a weekend/hobby Sprint Car racer in our arena right now. I feel like that tide is turning somewhat, but racing three times a weekend in Indiana does nothing but hurt payouts, crowds, and car counts here in our home state.

I've always laughed at people on this message board who whine about not having any USAC Sprint Car races in this area from Sprintweek until September. Well yeah, that's because no one will show up.

Just to be clear, my post was only to point out that drivers, teams, and fans need to support these shows if they ever want better things for Sprint Car racers. If you want Dave Darland to make more money, or young drivers to be content racing Sprint Cars, or to see your favorite race cars on TV again, the answer is to think more big-picture as to what is good for the whole of Sprint Car racing...Knoxville pays a million dollars to the Knoxville Nationals participants this year. They pay something like $20,000+ to the USAC crowd. Making excuses or blaming the track will get us nowhere. Knoxville, and just about anywhere else in the country, is willing to pay out...if it's worth it!

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Originally Posted by apexonephoto:
(2) seven car heats and a feature... for $20 on a Sunday after (3) days of 360's.

Sounds like a get together, where as the 360's sounds like an event.

I would pay $20 just to watch the wingless car hot lap at Knoxville.

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Originally Posted by wideopen24:
USAC had a "buckeye nationals" for a 2-3 years it ran sprintcar and migdets....if i remember rite we ran lima, attica, fremont, and eldora... waynesfield, skiline, and k-c would be good to add if USAC did an OHIO tour!

It was not successful because it did not make money. Eldora had made a gentleman's agreement to swap out their Saturday date at some point, and that never happened. This was five years ago, but it is now difficult to do a good sprint/midget doubleheader anywhere and actually make money on it. That's a big nut to crack.

K-C is posting a good purse on Saturday for USAC Sprint Cars. The date was a tough one with tracks in Indiana being busy already, but then Eldora added a date right on top of K-C, which will make things even tougher.

I always hate to see a new track step up and invite Sprint Cars into their house, pay a substantial purse ($5K to win, $1K for 5th, $600 to start) and not be rewarded. I truly hope I see some support for them on Saturday...

Originally Posted by Kirk Spridgeon:
The low count in Indiana is not surprising. It was after Sprintweek, had races against it, and some guys are just not a fan of Putnamville yet. If you look at last year's car counts at Knoxville and Oskaloosa, it proves that guys want to make the trip.

This trip is a destination for a lot of guys. People will take a weekend off from racing to prepare themselves to head west. Car count is not my concern for this race - PLENTY of guys have told me that they will be making the trip to Knoxville & Oskaloosa.

The problem is the lack of seeing the big picture in Sprint Car Racing right now. The Outlaws are seeing bigger crowds than ever simply by spreading themselves over more markets. People ask me all the time why there aren't USAC or traditional Sprint Car races in certain states or areas. The answer isn't a lack of interest. The answer is that there are very few who aspire to be more than a weekend/hobby Sprint Car racer in our arena right now. I feel like that tide is turning somewhat, but racing three times a weekend in Indiana does nothing but hurt payouts, crowds, and car counts here in our home state.

I've always laughed at people on this message board who whine about not having any USAC Sprint Car races in this area from Sprintweek until September. Well yeah, that's because no one will show up.

Just to be clear, my post was only to point out that drivers, teams, and fans need to support these shows if they ever want better things for Sprint Car racers. If you want Dave Darland to make more money, or young drivers to be content racing Sprint Cars, or to see your favorite race cars on TV again, the answer is to think more big-picture as to what is good for the whole of Sprint Car racing...Knoxville pays a million dollars to the Knoxville Nationals participants this year. They pay something like $20,000+ to the USAC crowd. Making excuses or blaming the track will get us nowhere. Knoxville, and just about anywhere else in the country, is willing to pay out...if it's worth it!

Yes! Thank you! They have 305 non wings in Kansas City that pay better(compared to cost of racing vs a 410) then most usac shows why because pepole support the races!
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I hope there is a good car count and crowd at Knoxville. It would nice to have some sort of multi-day event that could pull some of the west coast teams in. A single day, $5000 show is not going to do that.

Aside from sprint speed week you either have a good crowd or good car count. When Lawrenceburg had the back to back $10,000 shows last fall, it had the car count but the crowd seemed to be very light for the bigger payout.

I think it would be great to see more shows in Ohio, but too many people think speed = good racing.

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I don't know why some one at USAC can't come up with an ORIGINAL THOUGHT:15:Stop weaseling in on other events and get some sponsorship and have YOUR OWN EVENT:16 Yes it will take some time,money and energy:18:

Knoxville during the Nats sounds great.Over priced rooms 50 minutes away from the track or camp a mile and half from the track:14:

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Originally Posted by Kirk Spridgeon:

The problem is the lack of seeing the big picture in Sprint Car Racing right now. The Outlaws are seeing bigger crowds than ever simply by spreading themselves over more markets. People ask me all the time why there aren't USAC or traditional Sprint Car races in certain states or areas. The answer isn't a lack of interest. The answer is that there are very few who aspire to be more than a weekend/hobby Sprint Car racer in our arena right now. I feel like that tide is turning somewhat, but racing three times a weekend in Indiana does nothing but hurt payouts, crowds, and car counts here in our home state.

I've always laughed at people on this message board who whine about not having any USAC Sprint Car races in this area from Sprintweek until September. Well yeah, that's because no one will show up.

Just to be clear, my post was only to point out that drivers, teams, and fans need to support these shows if they ever want better things for Sprint Car racers. If you want Dave Darland to make more money, or young drivers to be content racing Sprint Cars, or to see your favorite race cars on TV again, the answer is to think more big-picture as to what is good for the whole of Sprint Car racing...Knoxville pays a million dollars to the Knoxville Nationals participants this year. They pay something like $20,000+ to the USAC crowd. Making excuses or blaming the track will get us nowhere. Knoxville, and just about anywhere else in the country, is willing to pay out...if it's worth it!

Ask one of your bosses if a WOO driver or Lucas driver has to find 6 different kinds of cars to drive to make a living.Kind of easy to run those series,Buy a winged sprint car or late model and go racing.To boot there screwing around with off road racing and 1/4 midgets.The last 20 years Fathers and sons figured out how to move up to full midgets and sprint cars with out USAC HELP.

USAC is lucky they have GREAT DIRT SPRINT AND MIDGET STARS AND CARS, TRY PROMOTING YOUR BREAD AND BUTTER:15::15:

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Kirk,
I am guessing KC picked the same night Eldora was running. Eldora run the same Late Model/Non Wing show last year on this week-end. Makes it tough to pick where to go!

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I will be at Belleveille,Oskie and Knoxville .The cars will show I'm sure for Knoxville and Oskie just like last year .
Weekly 305s wingless at Riverside ,w.Memphis. Ricky Logan ran the Otter Pops Champ Car a couple of season I think .
Everyone support a race track this weekend .

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Originally Posted by AERO410SCJA:
Ask one of your bosses if a WOO driver or Lucas driver has to find 6 different kinds of cars to drive to make a living.Kind of easy to run those series,Buy a winged sprint car or late model and go racing.To boot there screwing around with off road racing and 1/4 midgets.The last 20 years Fathers and sons figured out how to move up to full midgets and sprint cars with out USAC HELP.

USAC is lucky they have GREAT DIRT SPRINT AND MIDGET STARS AND CARS, TRY PROMOTING YOUR BREAD AND BUTTER:15::15:

You didn't read a word of Kirk's post did you?

Even a sanctioning body can't promote out of a paper bag if the fans, facilities, and teams are against them from the start.

I watched a USAC official ask a team to do a show car appearance the day before a race in Ohio I think and he got laughed at. Literally. Lack of promotion is a culture in non-wing racing, not just USAC.

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Originally Posted by bahawk:
I hope there is a good car count and crowd at Knoxville. It would nice to have some sort of multi-day event that could pull some of the west coast teams in. A single day, $5000 show is not going to do that.

Aside from sprint speed week you either have a good crowd or good car count. When Lawrenceburg had the back to back $10,000 shows last fall, it had the car count but the crowd seemed to be very light for the bigger payout.

I think it would be great to see more shows in Ohio, but too many people think speed = good racing.

The seond race that weekend was a MSCS show and I thought it had a pretty good crowd:8:

Maybe there are some USAC owners and drivers who need to realize that USAC doesn't hold the prestige it once did. The split from Indy and the plane crash hit USAC hard. There's nothing wrong with scaling back. Maybe they need to go dirt or asphalt only. They would lose some historically significant tracks either way but something has to be done to take USAC forward.
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Correct me if I'm wrong...I think there were 23 pre-entries last year and 44 showed up on race day?

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Originally Posted by USAC Fan:
You didn't read a word of Kirk's post did you?

Even a sanctioning body can't promote out of a paper bag if the fans, facilities, and teams are against them from the start.

I watched a USAC official ask a team to do a show car appearance the day before a race in Ohio I think and he got laughed at. Literally. Lack of promotion is a culture in non-wing racing, not just USAC.

I read every word of it twice

IF the fans and the facilities are against USAC WHY WHERE THERE RECORD CROWDS AT SPRINTWEEK?

So the day before the race USAC thought it would be a good idea to promote(most people make plans in advance:16)

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[QUOTE=USAC Fan;186535]You didn't read a word of Kirk's post did you?

I think my buddy Kirk is starting to lose touch with sprint car reality.It's time for him to work 40 or 50 hours in a weld shop or construction site and 5 to 10 hours a night in the race shop ,have a house payment and kids and then wonder why 3/4 of the sprint teams won't drive 10 hours to Knoxville for 500 to start, when you burn that much in fuel.

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This ain't no Nationals, Knoxville is just packaging it this way to make it sound special. If they want a special event how about throwing some money at it then maybe it would be worthy of being called a National event. As for the state of REAL sprint car racing somebody or organzation needs to step up and get some real money and exposure behind it. If people only knew, the comparison dosen't exist between sprint cars and the flying hogsheds that the majority of the nation must digest as racing. Just because they are greater in numbers doesn't make great. If that was true Wallmart would be the greatest place to shop wouldn't it. How about a reality show following a sprint car team around the country, or perhaps weekly Live TV racing in the fall from Ventura. If Knoxville wants a real event how about this, 3 day sprintcar National (I.E. NONwings for those who needit spelled out) to take place on Hall of Fame induction weekend say 10,000 to win first 2 nights and 50,000 to win 1,000 to start on the final night. How does that sound? Anybody think there would be a car count problem? and Knoxville could add another premere event to their stable. Lets call it the Jesse Hockett Hall of Fame Classic with the winner getting a Jesse Hockett statuette trophy

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Originally Posted by mactexas:
i would pay $20 just to watch the wingless car hot lap at knoxville.

hell yes :9::9::31::31::31:

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You know Spridge, when I started working on cars back in 2000, the Sprint Week opener at North Vernon had close to 70 cars give or take. Opening night at Lawrenceburg ten years later did not even have 50. It really is sad. You used to go to a USAC race around Indiana anytime and there would be at least 40 cars in the pits. Those days have long since passed, and I hate it for the sport. I thought the car counts for the Buckeye Nationals the first year were great, but they fell off quite a bit thereafter.

You really have to look at the economic factor more so than anything. If you look at Gas City, Bloomington, Lawrenceburg, and Lincoln Park for example on a weekly basis, most of the racers are geographically close. (within an hour to hour and half) Granted you have a few that make a longer tow to run a specific track, but for the most part everyone is fairly close. Some owners have called it quits or scaled it down, a lot of the sponsorship dollars have gone away, and the weekly teams aren't equipped like some of the USAC guys. You used to always be able to count on Bill Biddle having a couple of cars, god rest his soul. KKR scaled back it's USAC involvement, Bud Kaeding stays out west, and Chad Boat and Cole Whitt have moved on. You see some corporate dollars on the TSR car, but the Hoffman's lost their deal. The days of a guy throwing $10,000 at his buddies car are gone. They have to make payroll. Some local guys have great stuff, but not the 850-950 hp motors that some teams have. The best thing I seen this last weekend was Dickie Gaines, proving that a local guy can still get the job done against the big boys. The bottom line is, that is the first time for a while you have seen a true local racer win a national race for a long time.

You also hear that some folks feel that USAC has a lot of ******** that nobody wants to get involved in. I know you work for USAC Kirk, and whether there really is or not, I don't know. But, when Don Short gets on here and makes a statement about it, you have to wonder. I have not personally seen it, but I have not been with a team that has run a lot of USAC since about 2005. By saying this, I am no way slamming USAC, just stating feelings that I have heard, and I commend those folks for speaking their heart.

I love this sport, and I really hope things come back around. I hope that in 10 years, the sport still has at least the viablility it has today, but it would be nice to see it the way it was 10 years ago.

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Originally Posted by oppweld:
If Knoxville wants a real event how about this, 3 day sprintcar National (I.E. NONwings for those who needit spelled out) to take place on Hall of Fame induction weekend say 10,000 to win first 2 nights and 50,000 to win 1,000 to start on the final night. How does that sound?

When I think Knoxville, I think wings. If Indiana has the best tracks, the best "real" sprint cars and the best drivers why haul out to Iowa? If you look at the entry lists for the 360/410 nationals it's drivers from all over the country. Because there is winged "fake" sprint cars all over the country.

It's also taken 50 years to get to that point. No Indiana promotor or sanctioning body would want to have a $50,000 dollar race in Indiana that took three days, because other tracks would schedule a pavement/dirt/midget/sprint/whatever race to steal cars/fans/drivers. This would need to be consistent. It would take years to establish, I notice all of the "traditional" Indiana races seem to either not run for a year, change format, change weekends, change car types.... the only certain think is they change.

I have always felt that 3 divisions of cars running two surfaces is cutting it a little thin. Also as another post was questioning long term sponsors. If wings do anything, it's to provide a place for someone to lean on while they are writing a check to sponsor "fake" sprint cars...

Maybe people think "traditional" sprints cars are old, out of date, slow... The truth is there is a whole lot other states who do just fine with wings. Yes they miss out. USAC races sprints in 10 states. WoO in 20 states and 3 provinces.

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Lets put it in blue collar " field filler " terms . Would I tow my backhoe 10+(20 round trip) hours to dig in lateral lines for 5000.00 ? That`s a big no . I can tow an hour or two for half that and my pocket is fuller. USAC can`t be fixed until Nascar gets fixed. Why were those pits full of cars 10 years ago? All the aspiring Jeff`s and Tony`s were fast tracking to Nascar. When you can`t give away tickets to one of Nascar`s biggies ,to people from Indiana who will stop and watch two kids race tricycles, then it`s broken. There you go ... I know some long haired professor in an MBA program could ramble for hours in eloquent terms about the economics of racing . Take it from a bald fat guy with a sprint car , if you don`t go out the gate with a 1000.00 , you paid to race that night. It doesn`t take too long paying for the show and there is no show because the dummy paying to play has went broke.

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I have been going to Osky since they started the tuesday night non wing racing has always been well attended and over thirty cars every year best format for racing anywhere.I hope they do the same deal at Knoxville and it gets started off on a good note and builds into something bigger.There are a couple more drivers not listed that are planning on going to these two shows.But with wanting to grow bigger you have to the owners and drivers to do this and right now with the way the economy is, it would be better to stay around the area and get the house in order close to home before venturing out to far.

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Originally Posted by HurstBros0:
Take it from a bald fat guy with a sprint car , if you don`t go out the gate with a 1000.00 , you paid to race that night. It doesn`t take too long paying for the show and there is no show because the dummy paying to play has went broke.

And you'll never get 1000.00 out the gate, if you keep showing up with less than 40 cars at 10,000 to win races less than 2 hours away. Those races should get 60+ without batting an eye but no, you end up with no more cars than you would for a regular USAC show.

Oskaloosa will pay 15,000 and they won't get more than 35 cars. Oskaloosa used to pay 30,000 and the most they got was 41 cars.

41 cars for the biggest paying non-wing race in the country.

And you guys wonder why you're still racing for 4,000 to win on a national level.

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I would love to race the rest of USAC Schedule or anywhere... So please anyone complaining about cars counts, If you want to do your part to help the car counts and are willing to pay my teams expenses I will be there!

Lets see how many people want to fund a car for a weekend....

P.S. You pay all the cost you can keep all purse money...

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Originally Posted by apexonephoto:
Just to get off topic, why doesn't USAC run more shows in Ohio? Close to home, start some tradition, not too expensive. Not trying to start anything, just curious, I don't know the entire history of open wheel or usac. Fremont and Attica could be a good weekend to get some new fans.

More in Ohio? How about Columbus, Eldora, Toledo and K-C on this Saturday night? There could be more and I would like more, but I'll take what I can get and be happy with it. Back in the day I went to Dayton, Cincinnati Racebowl, Kil-Kare, New Bremen (thanks Earl), Glen Este, Springfield, Etc,. I think all but one of those are gone now.

Is Moler still running? If so, I'm not paying attention because it must be all fendered stuff?

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Originally Posted by wideopen24:
I would love to race the rest of USAC Schedule or anywhere... So please anyone complaining about cars counts, If you want to do your part to help the car counts and are willing to pay my teams expenses I will be there!

Lets see how many people want to fund a car for a weekend....

P.S. You pay all the cost you can keep all purse money...

Great Post. I'd go and race for no profit, just as long as I didnt go in the hole on expenses.

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Originally Posted by Seadog:
More in Ohio? How about Columbus, Eldora, Toledo and K-C on this Saturday night? There could be more and I would like more, but I'll take what I can get and be happy with it. Back in the day I went to Dayton, Cincinnati Racebowl, Kil-Kare, New Bremen (thanks Earl), Glen Este, Springfield, Etc,. I think all but one of those are gone now.

Is Moler still running? If so, I'm not paying attention because it must be all fendered stuff?

I live North, and you live South, we don't see them up here within three or four hours of the MI/OH state line. I think Moler runs Mods and Late Models. Correct in them running midgets at Columbus, but it's once a year, pavement and the car counts are usually down. I still think the three different series are confusing to new/undecided fans. Midgets run twice in August? It's hard to schedule competing shows against your own other series, which share drivers. I'd like to see USAC sprints run Attica, Fremont and Waynesfield in one weekend, or the Toledo weekend could include Sandusky. It's a one of a kind situation that Indiana has. The National series runs at home most of the time and there is a ton of competition diluting the purses. I'd say race in a little larger radius around Indy to start out, shows where you can come home the same night. Just look how successful the Fast series is in Fremont and Attica with the cooperation of those two tracks. Now they have 305's running there as well.

Originally Posted by Geoff Kaiser:
Great Post. I'd go and race for no profit, just as long as I didnt go in the hole on expenses.

I don't race, but I almost think this is the most reasonable expectation for many racers. Racing for a living would require a set of nerves most of us don't have, not to mention the skill to back it up. Most WoO and Late Model guys race for themselves, where as a non wing guy has to race for 2-3 owners, because to race 90-110 times in a year you need 6 different cars which is highly improbable for a single person to own. The logistics are just tough.

Re: kville nonwing nats
 

Originally Posted by HurstBros0:
Lets put it in blue collar " field filler " terms . Would I tow my backhoe 10+(20 round trip) hours to dig in lateral lines for 5000.00 ? That`s a big no . I can tow an hour or two for half that and my pocket is fuller. USAC can`t be fixed until Nascar gets fixed. Why were those pits full of cars 10 years ago? All the aspiring Jeff`s and Tony`s were fast tracking to Nascar. When you can`t give away tickets to one of Nascar`s biggies ,to people from Indiana who will stop and watch two kids race tricycles, then it`s broken. There you go ... I know some long haired professor in an MBA program could ramble for hours in eloquent terms about the economics of racing . Take it from a bald fat guy with a sprint car , if you don`t go out the gate with a 1000.00 , you paid to race that night. It doesn`t take too long paying for the show and there is no show because the dummy paying to play has went broke.

That sounded eloquent enough for me:6: