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Pushing off for wheel packing now 20 cars include Steve Thomas Fischesser Olson East Lambert in Rooke's car T Hewitt Bloom Fredrickson Grant Christian Gross Cottle Spencer Jon Elson Gurley Fitzpatrick Windom TMez and Cam Schafer
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Windom was overall quick qualifier. Heat should lineup like this
1: Spencer Gross
East Jon
Grant Bloom
Fischesser
2: Cottle Gurley
TMez Windom
Lambert Fredrickson
Hewitt
3: Olson Christian
Elson Fitzpatrick
Schafer Thomas

Cam Schafer is running with Hockett on his name plate
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Top 2 in heats will redraw for feature and the rest will lineup where they finish in the heats.
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Heat 1 finish Gross Spencer Jon East Grant Bloom Fischesser. Great run by Spencer holding Jon off for the redraw spot.
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Heat 2 finish Windom Cottle TMez Gurley Lambert Hewitt Fredrickson
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Heat 3 finish Elson Fitzpatrick Christian Schafer Olson Thomas
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The feature lineup from row 4 on should lineup like this will have the top 3 rows when they announce them
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Jon TMez
Christian East
Gurley Schafer
Grant Lambert
Olson Bloom
Hewitt Thomas
Fischesser Fredrickson
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Thanks for the updates. :6:

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when you say Jon are you talking JON "SUPERMAN" STANBROUGH

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lets go gross!! lets get one before sprint week

That would be correct Papa Outlaw. Gotta love the sun shining bright with a little shower passing through during intermission Amains up next.
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Feature pushing off now full lineup:
Fitzpatrick Windom
Spencer Elson
Gross Cottle
Jon TMez
Christian East
Gurley Schafer
Grant Lambert
Olson Bloom
Hewitt Thomas
Fischesser Fredrickson
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Thanks HoosierFan...this computer stuff sure does help out an old man down here in florida.............Hope my buudy Kent Christian does well tonight...is he in his 1c....

Wow 25 green flag laps no battle for the lead but good racing throughout the field Windom Fitzpatrick Grant Cottle Gross Elson East Jon TMez Bloom Gurley Lambert Christian Olson Schafer Fischesser Spencer Fredrickson Thomas Hewitt. This is not official I could be wrong in a couple spots.
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All 3 classes done before 915 so they had to do some "track prep" for the fireworks
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Good drive from Justin Grant from the 6th row to 3rd at the finish. Great racing from 3rd on back in the A main. Very racy track.

Thanks to Kokomo for getting us that do have to work today in and out in a timely fashion!!

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Originally Posted by Andrew S. Quinn:
Good drive from Justin Grant from the 6th row to 3rd at the finish. Great racing from 3rd on back in the A main. Very racy track.

Thanks to Kokomo for getting us that do have to work today in and out in a timely fashion!!

Agreed and I am sitting at work right now :13: That group from 3rd to about 8th or 9th were all over each other. Congrats to Chris, he spanked 'em.

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I am VERY disappointed with the sprint car count at Kokomo in the last month!! Every other Indiana track is drawing good car counts with good quality car/driver combos. Whats the deal? Also lost alot of respect for Jamie Fredrickson for his after race shennangins!!! He is nothing but a back marker week in & week out & he pulls that **** on Justin Grant that ran his balls off. If he is gonna act like that then he needs to take the holy roller stuff off his car or just stay home ( and out of everybodys way)!!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by streetglider:
I am VERY disappointed with the sprint car count at Kokomo in the last month!! Every other Indiana track is drawing good car counts with good quality car/driver combos. Whats the deal? Also lost alot of respect for Jamie Fredrickson for his after race shennangins!!! He is nothing but a back marker week in & week out & he pulls that **** on Justin Grant that ran his balls off. If he is gonna act like that then he needs to take the holy roller stuff off his car or just stay home ( and out of everybodys way)!!!!!!!!!!!

The car count is down a few but it has been 20-24 for a few years, its 18-20 now. The quality of the racing hasnt dropped a bit!! Its not the number of cars that shows up it's WHICH cars show up. Consistently there have been 8-12 cars that are good enough to win there every week. Thats better than a lot of tracks that get 25-30 cars a night.

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Mr Hoover can you please name the 8-12 cars that could win last night? How about last week or the week before when there were 18 sprint cars & 40 migets? Schafer? Lambert? Olsen? Bloom? Hewitt? Thomas? Fischer? Fredrickson?Spencer? I THINK i made my point!! The best race of the night was the hobby stock feature & that is a bad day at kokomo speedway!!!

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Originally Posted by streetglider:
The best race of the night was the hobby stock feature

Who won?

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Mr. Glider, which sprint car do you own?

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Originally Posted by streetglider:
Mr Hoover can you please name the 8-12 cars that could win last night? How about last week or the week before when there were 18 sprint cars & 40 migets? Schafer? Lambert? Olsen? Bloom? Hewitt? Thomas? Fischer? Fredrickson?Spencer? I THINK i made my point!! The best race of the night was the hobby stock feature & that is a bad day at kokomo speedway!!!

I'll give you 10 from last night alone. Windom, Stanbrough, Cottle, Grant, East, Fitzpatrick, Elson, Gross, TMez & Christian. Add in a couple of darkhorses like Gurley & Spencer and now you are at 12.

Here are others who have raced there this year that weren't there last night. Armstrong, Clauson, Darland, Hines, Puterbaugh, Petty, Robbins, Welpott & Weir. I would classify these drivers as threats that are capable of winning as well.

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Mud Packer- that is exactly my point !!! The names you mentioned are not showing up on a consistant basis Dont forget Nunter Sherinberg Dickie Gaines or even an occasional Critter Malone!!! The point i am trying to make is that gas city and Lburg are drawing these guys week in and week out and Kokomo is NOT and i cant figure out why!! With sprint week coming up & most people off work today i thought there would be a few more outsiders there this week

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Originally Posted by Mud Packer:
I'll give you 10 from last night alone. Windom, Stanbrough, Cottle, Grant, East, Fitzpatrick, Elson, Gross, TMez & Christian. Add in a couple of darkhorses like Gurley & Spencer and now you are at 12.

Here are others who have raced there this year that weren't there last night. Armstrong, Clauson, Darland, Hines, Puterbaugh, Petty, Robbins, Welpott & Weir. I would classify these drivers as threats that are capable of winning as well.

Good point. Plenty of capable cars/drivers. Sun Prairie, WI had a Sat. & Sun. show. Didn't we lose some from that? I haven't checked the results there.

The economy has decreased car counts from 5 years ago it sure seems. I don't know. Maybe I don't know what I am talking about. Sprint Week coming up, gain some sometimes to get some laps in and lose some being so close to the biggest week of the year for sprints in Indiana. Some teams don't chance tearing up equipment and spending more money that they need for sprint week. I have seen plenty of tight budget teams not run the whole sprint week series because they ran out of money only to return a month later at regular shows.

It is a possibility that sometimes some that don't show up consistently have other responsibilities they had going on. Unless you know every single driver personally we have know idea about things like that and is useless to over think it. Even when Brandon Petty was on a tear at Gas City there did come a time on occasion he had to miss or chose to miss races for different commitments. I bet it happens with others too.

I guess if it is that bad people wouldn't be talking mostly positive of the track the past 2 years.

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Originally Posted by streetglider:
Mud Packer- that is exactly my point !!! The names you mentioned are not showing up on a consistant basis Dont forget Nunter Sherinberg Dickie Gaines or even an occasional Critter Malone!!! The point i am trying to make is that gas city and Lburg are drawing these guys week in and week out and Kokomo is NOT and i cant figure out why!! With sprint week coming up & most people off work today i thought there would be a few more outsiders there this week

What axe are you trying to grind? Dickie almost never has come here nor has Critter. Hunter came here weekly when he was driving for Walker but he is rushing around finding rides thus year and doesnt have a regular ride to be there every week. No disrespect to the burg but you compare a regular show at Kokomo to the drivers that show up at the burg for a regular show and there is NO COMPARISON. And it is at least equal to the drivers that show at GC. HAVE YOU EVEN SEEN these races. You have 6 posts on here and you come up with this crap? Either you arent paying attention or not going to any Kokomo races or you came here to stir up crap. My bet is on the last one.

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What has it been 7 or so years ago when Dickie did come to Kokomo a lot but that was a situational thing. Didn't he have a ride locally for a while then he used he own car when he had the time and money to make when they were running Saturdays.

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Originally Posted by streetglider:
Mud Packer- that is exactly my point !!! The names you mentioned are not showing up on a consistant basis Dont forget Nunter Sherinberg Dickie Gaines or even an occasional Critter Malone!!! The point i am trying to make is that gas city and Lburg are drawing these guys week in and week out and Kokomo is NOT and i cant figure out why!! With sprint week coming up & most people off work today i thought there would be a few more outsiders there this week

I think that you will find that the reason for lower car counts not only here but at other tracks as well is caused by numerous issues. I will stick with Kokomo for now since you brought this track up.

1)First of all the economy certainly isn't helping. I think that this is the number one factor in the whole deal. Many teams can't afford to race three nights per weekend. If they have to choose, probably Friday night and Saturday night win out. If you can only go to two nights of racing, what two nights would you choose and why? Numerous tracks to pick from and having Saturday and Sunday off to work on the race cars probably helps out as well.

2)Sunday is a tough night to race if you are traveling any distance at all. If you need to be at work on Monday morning, it makes it difficult to drive 2-3 hours to the track to race. I thank people like Kurt Gross, Chris Gurley, Kent Christian and Lee Hobbs, and others that I am probably forgetting, for coming up to Kokomo to race on Sunday night. I also thank the O'Connor's for moving the show along and getting us out at a decent hour. I have been going to Kokomo for a long time, and I remember the horrors of many years past.:15:

3)The O'Connor family has made Kokomo a great track. With that being said, the track surface is good week in and week out. It makes for a fast track and that can be a factor as well. Equipment can get torn up and many teams don't have full time crews to repair the cars. Next Friday and Saturday comes around pretty quickly if you are working evenings trying to get a car ready to go just with normal maintenance. Kokomo also has a wall around it that other tracks don't. Paragon, Bloomington, Gas City and Lincoln Park don't have that concrete wall around that can also grab a race car and cause damage.

4)I am sure that family time plays into this as well. Many still consider Sunday the time to spend with family and friends. We all need a day off and racers are no different. Many enjoy racing but not all family members have been strickened with the racing bug. Not everyone considers racing as the ONLY thing to do. Racers also enjoy other activities and plan accordingly. Sunday I think is that day that that happens.

5)Yesterday they also had competition from the USAC midget show at Angel Park. That took some of the drivers that I mentioned that have been there at other times this year. There are other races that draw teams away so it isn't always a given that we will see 25-30 sprint cars each week. It doesn't matter how many but who shows up. Quality not quantity is what matters.

Lastly, I am concerned with a statement that you make. You said that "the best race of the night was the hobby stock feature & that is a bad day at Kokomo Speedway!!!" Not every sprint car race is a classic but can you explain to me exactly what is bad with the "hobby stock" feature or any other feature for that matter being the best? I enjoy all types of racing and believe me many times I have seen the sprint car feature not be as competitive as one of the other classes. Someone once said that "beauty is in the eye of the beholder". Enjoy it all.

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I'll give two good reasons that Kokomo doesn't draw the car count other tracks do.

1. It is on Sunday nights. Most all Indiana racers work a 9-5, therefore it make sit hard to go to work on Mondays. I know cause I have done it.

2. Kokomo is a great facility not knocking it in any way. But with the newer track configuration you MUST have a very healthy engine to be competitive there. If you don't you will not run as well as you would on some other tracks, and your engine is going to have its tongue hanging out.

Bob Shutt

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Aren't you at "work" John?Must not be too busy today!!

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Originally Posted by Dirtfan:
Aren't you at "work" John?Must not be too busy today!!

Nah just me here with the call center agents. Not too busy getting ready to go home and sweat my butt off planting some stuff where I just dug up some bushes. A home owners work never ceases. Gotta get the honey-do list pared down before the start of sprint week.

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Originally Posted by Racer12:
I'll give two good reasons that Kokomo doesn't draw the car count other tracks do.

1. It is on Sunday nights. Most all Indiana racers work a 9-5, therefore it make sit hard to go to work on Mondays. I know cause I have done it.

2. Kokomo is a great facility not knocking it in any way. But with the newer track configuration you MUST have a very healthy engine to be competitive there. If you don't you will not run as well as you would on some other tracks, and your engine is going to have its tongue hanging out.

Bob Shutt

Exactly correct, Kokomo is now a one-groove horsepower track. You have to have monster horsepower to win there. I crack up at all the people on here talking about 3 and 4 wide racing but the winner is always running the top.

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Originally Posted by streetglider:
I am VERY disappointed with the sprint car count at Kokomo in the last month!! Every other Indiana track is drawing good car counts with good quality car/driver combos. Whats the deal? Also lost alot of respect for Jamie Fredrickson for his after race shennangins!!! He is nothing but a back marker week in & week out & he pulls that **** on Justin Grant that ran his balls off. If he is gonna act like that then he needs to take the holy roller stuff off his car or just stay home ( and out of everybodys way)!!!!!!!!!!!

Jamie didn't mean to run into Justin, I believe he did not see the checkered and it was just one of those accidental deals. And last year Cole Whitt seemed to win every week on the bottom. Clauson won the USAC show on the bottom and nearly won last week on the bottom. And it doesn't take any more motor than Lawrenceburg or Haubstadt either.

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I dont see streetglider out there every weekend busting his a** trying to compete. If you took away the drivers you named. You would be gettin about 10 to 15 cars a night. Just another wanna be who does not get it. Every guy that races has given alot to be there. So callin people out and bashing them shows how much he really knows.

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I am not trying to confuse the high horsepower engine issue stated by Russ, but I would like to point out that the engines in the Edison #10 and the Elson #27 are just basic 12 headed engines. Yes, they are nice, but nothing special. Car setup and driver ability and desire are a great part of the fast formula that seem to be going unnoticed in this thread. Just my somewhat informed and humble opinion.

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Originally Posted by Russ:
Exactly correct, Kokomo is now a one-groove horsepower track. You have to have monster horsepower to win there. I crack up at all the people on here talking about 3 and 4 wide racing but the winner is always running the top.

I know that you have not been to Kokomo on a weekly basis since you think it is a one groove track. How in the hell did Justin Grant start in the 6th row and end up 3rd? It sure wasn't because of yellow flags or attrition!! He flat out passed cars and I'm not talking about slide jobs! The bottom and middle are fast and the top is definitely fast, but there is racing throughout the pack not a follow the leader type of race.

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TH Racer & RACEFAN 20- i have been involved in sprint car racing for well over 30 yrs, worked for USAC and Goodyear Racing Tire (sprint midget champ car) and ran a family owned sprint car for 9 years!!! Theres MY creditientals would you like to compare?? I know the game and live in and have supported Kokomo Speedway way back in the Bill Lipkey days. I have 6 posts here because i have plenty of other things to do than sit on computer all day! That being said i was NOT knocking Kok Speedway or the Oconners- i was making a simple observation as to the car counts(which you cant deny) and was wondering why they are low! The mid pack racing was awesome on Sunday especially Grant hangin his balls out!

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Originally Posted by streetglider:
TH Racer & RACEFAN 20- i have been involved in sprint car racing for well over 30 yrs, worked for USAC and Goodyear Racing Tire (sprint midget champ car) and ran a family owned sprint car for 9 years!!! Theres MY creditientals would you like to compare?? I know the game and live in and have supported Kokomo Speedway way back in the Bill Lipkey days. I have 6 posts here because i have plenty of other things to do than sit on computer all day! That being said i was NOT knocking Kok Speedway or the Oconners- i was making a simple observation as to the car counts(which you cant deny) and was wondering why they are low! The mid pack racing was awesome on Sunday especially Grant hangin his balls out!

Let me explain something to you. You come on here, dont use your real name and within six posts start making dumb statements about the quality of the field at Kokomo. Then you are surprised you get flamed? You may have credentials(since I dont know your name who knows if you do or not) but you have no CREDIBILITY here.

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RF20-if you think that Kokomo is fielding QUALITY cars week in and week out then i would have to question your racing knowledge and or judgement. Nobody is knocking the hours and effort of these slower cars, they work just as hard as the front runners only with limited budgets. Been there done that! The sport NEEDS these guys!If you spent as much time wrenching a car or studying the history of these cars instead of sitting on your computer with your bag of Cheetos you would understand my point, which was the car count IS LOW AT KOKOMO and you cant dispute that!!!!

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Like always it was a great race. You can always find a great race to watch at Kokomo. Granted Blake and Chris checked out early. (Started 1 and 2). But the rest of the cars put on one hell of a show.

How did Justin Grant get to 3rd.??? Answer: Drove his A$$ off.
HMM! Yellow with 5 to go???? Might have been another winner.;)

Justin Grant::6: Hey Kid, That was awesome to watch. High, low, middle; I saw him pass cars in every groove. In fact he passed Messural twice on the bottom and once on the top, before shaking the back passes of Tmez.

Then he passed Jon on the bottom, and then again on the top. Had a great battle with Cottle on the bottom and the middle.

I like to watch him run the top, but he was equally impressive on the bottom last night. Congrats to the entire Baldwin "TEAM" on that one!

Also: don't bash Jamie until you know all the facts. I honestly don't think it was intentional. Brakes maybe, or he missed the end of the race. When Justin parked by him after the race, I did see Jamie gesture to him pointing to himself as to say, "My Bad, Sorry"

Dave

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Originally Posted by Russ:
Exactly correct, Kokomo is now a one-groove horsepower track. You have to have monster horsepower to win there. I crack up at all the people on here talking about 3 and 4 wide racing but the winner is always running the top.

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I know you've got to be joking?!?

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Originally Posted by streetglider:
RF20-if you think that Kokomo is fielding QUALITY cars week in and week out then i would have to question your racing knowledge and or judgement. Nobody is knocking the hours and effort of these slower cars, they work just as hard as the front runners only with limited budgets. Been there done that! The sport NEEDS these guys!If you spent as much time wrenching a car or studying the history of these cars instead of sitting on your computer with your bag of Cheetos you would understand my point, which was the car count IS LOW AT KOKOMO and you cant dispute that!!!!

I didnt dispute that the car count was a little down from last year if you would stop spewing long enough to read you might have caught that. At least I have the balls to put my name to my opinions. You say you have all this judgement and experience but you wont come out of the closet and tell us who you are. I cant really believe anything you say as long as you hide behind your screen name and spew crap. Pretty much all the posters responding to your diatribe have disagreed with you. Let it die dude.

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Jamie and I talked after the race, he came down to my pit to apologize for getting into me after the checkers. Said that it was in no way intentional and he had not seen the checkered flag.

No hard feelings there.

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Originally Posted by streetglider:
RF20-if you think that Kokomo is fielding QUALITY cars week in and week out then i would have to question your racing knowledge and or judgement. Nobody is knocking the hours and effort of these slower cars, they work just as hard as the front runners only with limited budgets. Been there done that! The sport NEEDS these guys!If you spent as much time wrenching a car or studying the history of these cars instead of sitting on your computer with your bag of Cheetos you would understand my point, which was the car count IS LOW AT KOKOMO and you cant dispute that!!!!

I think us less credential individuals have given very valid, no....factual reasons to your question. I am wondering how anyone with vast racing knowledge couldn't figure that out by themselves. JMO

On another note that someone made about Sundays effecting car count. I agree with that as well. But please never let Kokomo go back to Saturdays. Not good. Very doubtful the car counts would increase. To many Saturday tracks in Indiana alone, not to mention regionally. When Kokomo did try Saturdays, the economy was better and it seems there were more teams that have since sold out. However, the car counts were marginal.

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I dont use my real name on here, but since everyone is so adamant about it

my name is Duke Cook

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Originally Posted by chris nunn:
i dont use my real name on here, but since everyone is so adamant about it

my name is duke cook

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Originally Posted by chris nunn:
i dont use my real name on here, but since everyone is so adamant about it

my name is duke cook

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Originally Posted by Chris Nunn:
I dont use my real name on here, but since everyone is so adamant about it

my name is Duke Cook

You act like a younger version sometimes:5::5: