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Guys, forgive me because I know this has nothing to do with racing, but........ Can anyone really believe that Bob Knight would up and quit "out of the blue" last week at Texas unless he had an idea of what would happen this week at IU.......Funny thing, that all of a sudden, he's availiable and could step in to help out tomarrow..... As they say, tune in tomarrow, for "As the Ball Bouncies"...... ah, what can I say, I'm burnt out on ******** and about all thats left is that "Fancy Racen" and now they in shoeboxes with wings........Wolfe-e

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that's never going to happen

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Be a cold day in hell when Bob Knight returns to Bloomington, Indiana for basketball... the next time you'll see his name in Bloomington is on a court....and that won't occur until 5 years after his departure from this earth... either way.... Kelvin needs is pink slip and being a big IU fan...this is just a bad deal and the tarnishing of a good group of players and a tradition.

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Sampson just needs to go. IU just needs to admit they made a mistake in hiring him and show him the door now instead of at the end of the season. I would love to have Bobby back but there is just no way.

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I think it is kind of scary that IU is noted for their law and medical schools, but have a bunch of bone heads running the university.

My next doctor or lawyer will not be a an IU graduate.

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Bob Knight won't be coming back to Bloomington, Indiana to coach basketball. I could think of a couple of great candidates that would do a great job at IU. The ugly part of the whole thing is still ahead. IU needs to cut it's ties with Kelvin before the NCAA announces it's penalties. Could be a tough couple of seasons for the Cream & Crimson.

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Bobby won't be going back to I.U. and I bet he is laughing his rear end off at what is taking place there.

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I would think the Spridge-like young coach from Butler, Brad Stevens, would be a good choice.

Jerry

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Originally Posted by Jerry Shaw:
Spridge-like

Jerry

:rolling

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What has happened is ridiculous and is just plain sad. Sampson and Rick Greenspan both need their asses fired. You hired him so you go as well. There is no excuse for what has happened. Sampson had a second chance and he did the same thing he had already been in trouble for. The NCAA is not going to put in writing that someone lied to them and a university if it isn

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I was sitting in the stands at Salem when they announced over the PA that Bobby had been fired form IU.

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Coach Knight and the Athletic Director don't really see eye to eye.... Knight will never coach again at IU... but it doesn't hurt to dream!

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Boys the hoosier past time is in good shape turn on our boilermakers and watch real team basketball at work!! Now is the time to jump on the band wagon and get off the train wreck in Bloomington!:O:

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I guess my thought was that the "Athletic Director" should be out as well.... Never say never gang... Seems to me that the people down Bloomington way don;t care much about Losers and like Cheaters less than that.... Sure, its a long shot, but like I said, never say never.....

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Way to go Badgers! :applaud:

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Originally Posted by ROSS:
Boys the hoosier past time is in good shape turn on our boilermakers and watch real team basketball at work!! Now is the time to jump on the band wagon and get off the train wreck in Bloomington!:O:

I would do this about the same time I accepted a season pass to one of the chitholes the DA owns:rolling

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John have you grown some hair?

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Originally Posted by openwheelKT:
What has happened is ridiculous and is just plain sad. Sampson and Rick Greenspan both need their asses fired. You hired him so you go as well. There is no excuse for what has happened. Sampson had a second chance and he did the same thing he had already been in trouble for. The NCAA is not going to put in writing that someone lied to them and a university if it isn’t true. There doesn’t need to be any further discussion about it. He shouldn’t have coached last night regardless. If you’re under investigation, you have no reason to be on the bench until decisions are made. I personally feel the way they got beat last night was deserved. A bull **** banked in three to go along with a bull **** situation. I feel really bad for the players because they have really worked hard and put themselves into a position to succeed. I really hope they can hold things together for their sake.

When Knight left, all I wanted was the graduation rate to stay high and not cheat to win. Who do they hire? A guy who had a well below average rate and cheater at his previous stop. I gave him the benefit of the doubt and was on his side because everybody deserves a second chance. He blew it and he must go and go now. Just when you thought they were on the right track to getting back where they belong (legally), here we are. This fan and alum isn’t too proud to call himself either today. People say what they want about Knight’s personality. Winner, grad rates as high as anybody, did not cheat. Good enough for me.

I agree 100%.


Also, I think this time they almost have to hire someone from within the "IU Family." They are 0-2 when doing otherwise (No, Davis wasnt IU family even if he was an assistant).

Sampson isnt that great of a coach, he is getting carried by the talent he has on his team. They could be soo much better.

Look at Purdue, I cant stand them, but I cant discredit what Painter has done with them. From top to bottom Iu has more talent than Purdue, yet Purdue has been much more impressive this year. Why, a better coach.


**No way Knight would want to come back to IU...and I doubt IU would even consider him. I think they want to find someone who will be there for 20 years.

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Okay - another reason why this isn't going to happen
Context - IU is in deep trouble with the NCAA
Question 1: Who was the IU president when Knight was let go?
Question 2: Who is the President of NCAA?

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I always wanted to see Steve Alford return... as the coach.

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Alford would be my choice as well....

Pat since I was attending IU at the time...who could ever forget Miles Brand

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Originally Posted by Dirtfan:
John have you grown some hair?

Are you saying that I should have found a picture of Curly?:kookoo

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Originally Posted by racefan20:
Are you saying that I should have found a picture of Curly?:kookoo

:O:...We already have a Curly on this board. We also have a Larry. You can be Mo, John.:rolling:kookoo:rolling

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Originally Posted by Bill Gardner:
I always wanted to see Steve Alford return... as the coach.

I agree.

If they dont fire Greenspan along with Sampson, I fear he will hire Isiah Thomas. LOL

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Originally Posted by Dwight Clock:
:O:...We already have a Curly on this board. We also have a Larry. You can be Mo, John.:rolling::rolling

:rolling:rolling

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Coaches that could replace Sampson IMO....Yes I also think his days are numbered.
1. Ron Hunter ....IUPUI deserves a chance to coach a big time program
2. Dan Dakich..... as long as he is not mixed up in this mess. Now a asst. coach at IU, has head coaching experance and played for Bob Knight.

Richard

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It's sad that a coaching mess like this is receiving so much attention in a year where there are some fantastic teams playing in Indiana. Purdue, IU, Notre Dame, Butler, and IUPUI are all very good teams, and the best part about it is that they are winning with IN-STATE talent. It certainly makes it clear that basketball is Indiana's past time and there is some incredible talent at the high school level here. Hummel, Martin, Johnson, Moore, and Kramer at Purdue. Graves, Howard, Campbell, Hahn, and Streicher at Butler. Gordon and Bassett at Indiana. Harrangody and Zeller (occasionally) at Notre Dame. All but 3 players on IUPUI's roster are from Indiana. The talent from Indiana is shining, but two controversial coaches (one that isn't even here anymore) unfortunately get far more attention. Matt Painter, Brad Stevens, Mike Brey, and Ron Hunter are all doing great things with their programs. Another Coach IU may want to consider when they can Sampson is already on their bench with Dakich, Ray McCallum. He was very successful at Ball State and knows how to recruit some of the great in-state talent.

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I wonder if Quinn Buckner would be a possible contender as coach. He coached in the NBA a bit, although not all that successfully, but kids might actually listen to him and play hard for him at I.U. This could be a real good fit and he is still a real hero there from the '76 team that went undefeated. Alford is an interesting candidate but I think he would have already been there by now if it was in the cards. Plus, he didn't exactly set the world on fire at Iowa. Personally, I don't think he wanted the pressure of coaching at I.U. Knight's shadow at I.U. is so huge it is almost overwhelming.

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The sooner they Fire sampson the better, If you look at IUs recruiting class for next year, they have some top prospects coming in and If we let this Sampson thing drag out and wait to fire him and then the NCAA decides to take away scholorships and or bans the team from post season play, you will se alot of these prospects back out of coming to IU, and who could blame them.

It is time to clean house NOW.
I never thought I would say this but I might have to start cheering for the the Black and Gold

Eric C

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Don't forget about another former IU player now coaching in Indiana. Dane Fife is the head coach at IPFW and is a young talent as well.

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Heck Pat, I think that ya-hoo should be fired too.... In a way this is a part of his mess..... I could get behind Alford... but I'd say that whoever takes the job will be taking a post with No Chance of post season play. Like you say, look at whose in charge of NCAA. There not going to let this slide..... I say give it back to the Coach for those two years and give Alford time to get out of his contract........ Ah come on guys, ya know its not going to be anyone we'd pick........ I can see it now..... First UK then Louisville and next..........

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sampson and greenspan need to go , Greenspan needs to go back to the pro's and take Sampson with him . And Weds. nite no time out at the end and Tabor in the game ,should have been Thomas or White to help not some one with a couple of games under his belt ,he made to mistakes in the last 2 minutes . And the team should have set a play , We all knw Knight would have called a time out and told the players what he wanted his player too do not what they want to do. BONE HEAD MOVE ,But that would be a Sampson Coaching Move!!! Must GO!!!

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If they're gonna fire Sampson, and I think they should, they'd better do it right. See what happened to our neighbors to the east. Jim O'Brien took 'em for a bundle.

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I believe Sampson should be fired next week when the results of the AD's investigation is due to be done. He is most likely guilty of the same infractions as he incurred at Oklahoma.
I'm not real excited by most of the names mentioned so far--namely past ball players from IU to be new head coach. Would consider Alford--he did things at Iowa that for the most part Iowa had never experienced but all at once the Iowa fans became Duke or North Carolina fans and demanded Iowa climb to a spot of reverence that all fans would be in awe of!!!
My short list would be headed by Rick Pitino, Don't know his status unless pursued.Tubby Smith and Thad Matta I would question as well. And its to bad Matt Painter is at Purdue---he has been extremely impressive.

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Originally Posted by Dwight Shelton:
I believe Sampson should be fired next week when the results of the AD's investigation is due to be done. He is most likely guilty of the same infractions as he incurred at Oklahoma.
I'm not real excited by most of the names mentioned so far--namely past ball players from IU to be new head coach. Would consider Alford--he did things at Iowa that for the most part Iowa had never experienced but all at once the Iowa fans became Duke or North Carolina fans and demanded Iowa climb to a spot of reverence that all fans would be in awe of!!!
My short list would be headed by Rick Pitino, Don't know his status unless pursued.Tubby Smith and Thad Matta I would question as well. And its to bad Matt Painter is at Purdue---he has been extremely impressive.

Pitino would be a good choice, he was in town before Sampson was hired,word was his wife wasn't too crazy about the deal.Bruce Pearl would be a good choice IMO, but getting him from Tenn. would probably be next to impossible.I just hope IU doesn't self impose infractions, I.E. post tournement play, that would hurt the players who have done nothing.I have to believe that RMK is laughing his %@$ off!

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Originally Posted by Dwight Shelton:
Would consider Alford--he did things at Iowa that for the most part Iowa had never experienced but all at once the Iowa fans became Duke or North Carolina fans and demanded Iowa climb to a spot of reverence that all fans would be in awe of!!!

Exactly right about the Iowa fans. Alford did more with less than any coach in the Big Ten or all of college basketball for that matter. I think the boneheads who called for him to leave are seeing that now with Lickliter. Todd is an excellent coach, but doesn't have any kind of talent to work with. The talent he had at Butler puts Iowa to shame. If he was at Indiana, he would have a much better talent pool to recruit from and a better program to sell to the recruits. Top prospects go to Iowa for wrestling and IU (or they used to) for basketball. With that said, I don't think Alford would have ever fit in well at IU as the coach. Too much of RMK's shadow to pressure him, and Steve has the kind of personality that is suited for more of a quiet, small program with very little pressure like he has now at New Mexico. He's much better off at a small program where he can easily surpass expectations instead of going to the high profile school and be pressured to win no matter what.

Somebody else mentioned Quinn Buckner, who I think would be a great choice also. I know he's a former player, which shouldn't be a requirement, but he would be an excellent choice even if he didn't go to IU. He would have no trouble pulling the fanbase back together after the Kelvin Sanction disaster. He can relate to the new style of young players because of his NBA and broadcast experience, but also bring back the old Bobby Knight diehards.

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"More of. As the Ball Bounces" Tonight on my AOL site, ya know that one that pops up every time I get on IOW, theres a piece about a Fan being told to take off his shirt or leave last Wed. nights game... What Did it Say?....... Bring Back Bobby Knight! and the zeros made him take it off, twice.... Sounds like security is with Sampson,,, I thought those guys looked like the Gestopo!.......... Man, I;ll be glad when Race Season gets here.........

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Anybody that thinks this 7 day "investigation" is real is a fool. The school has had the aligations for weeks.....they just because public this week. They have already looked into it. The 7 day deal is to make sure they have everything in order to send him on his way. There is no way you could conduct a real and total investigation in 7 days. They are just trying to make themselves look better. They already know what they are going to do.

You could see it last night.... He's hugging his players and acting like they won the NCAA championship at end of the game. Never seen that from a coach that beat a team they should have at home. MSU is good, but at home IU should win. Sampson's actions last night tells me he knows he's gone too. I'll be disappointed if that isn't true.