North Vernon Sprint & Midgets May 8
 

I am going to give you my account of what I observed as a midget car owner and as a race fan regarding the race show May 8 at Twin Cities Raceway, North Vernon, IN. This was my first visit ever to the facility. I had a difficult time finding it. The street sign traveling south on route 7 is very poor. Once I got on the correct road down the big hill there is another road to the left that ends up at the speedway, but there is not a sign in sight. That was a tip that something was a bit off here. If there is no sign, how are the fans going to know where the place is?

The weather was terribly cold and very windy. If I hadn't had a race car there, I would have stayed home instead of going to any race in Indiana regardless. I had two sweatshirts on plus two other layers of clothing and it was still cold.

I paid a $30 pit pass fee and a $25 membership fee, there was no entry fee. The fees were as advertised. My driver and I took a look at the track before it was raced on. I noticed tons of rocks, big rocks, on the racing surface. If I had a five gallon pale, I could have filled it with rocks in a few minutes. I also noticed the catch fence in turn three which looked like it had been violated in the past and the turn three dirt creeping up the wall leaving about a foot of concrete.

The pits were full of race cars and several big names were here. You can't get any better than Shane Cottle. Others Hunter Shurenberg, Dickie Gaines. There were about 16 midgets. I was expecting no more than 10 and 16 was impressive to me since nothing like this has been tried in several years. I watched the two midget races and, honestly, unless you were an expert on midget race cars, you could not tell the difference between the full midgets, mini sprints and focus cars. The minis were very competitive and even the focus car was fast.

The evening was going quite well until the mini car went through the fence. Actually, I think the fence being like it was cushioned the blow. He mowed down about 30 of it. I did not see the actual crash, but the result of it. There was no way that the fence was going to be repaired. It was trashed.

There was a long wait while they tried to fix the fence and then an announcement was made about a drivers meeting. John Gurley, head of ASCT/AMCT spoke briefly that the fence could not be repaired. He said he would pay the midget and sprint guys $100 tow money and that the race would be rescheduled for a later date. I didn't hear anybody disagree with his offer. If somebody was upset about it, they should spoken at that time. Mr. Fleetwood then took over the meeting, addressing the other classes of race cars. I left at that point. Later I collected my $100 and left the track.

Here are conclusions:

1. John Gurley has worked night and day organizing his race promotion business. He's done a great job of putting his organization and personnel together. All of his staff working the race were very professional and efficient. The gentleman who conducted the preliminary drivers meeting was excellent. The sprint and midget races were run off quicky and officiated professionally. For the first promotion, he gets four stars for the effort.

2. The midget racing. First, Gurley should get a medal of honor for atttracting 16 midgets for a race meet in Indiana. That's amazing in itself, especially happening on the same night as the Hut 100. Now for those that doubted the mixing of various configured midgets, you were totally wrong. It may have been the new tire rule, but the racing was very competitive and nobody ran away with the lead. I'm wondering why we are buying $30-40,000 engines when the Asian cycle engines for next to nothing are just as competitive??? This was a great test of the opinions that have been swirling for many years. The doubters should have been there to see it.

Finally, I would like to address those who thought they were cheated out of whatever $$$$$ they spent for the evening as a competitor. The sprints and midgets ran two heats races for each division. There was never a feature lineup posted. We hadn't gotten to that point. The fence went down and the race was called. This is no different than a rainout. Mr. Gurley advertised a $100 payout for tow money for those not making the feature. There was no feature and the $100 tow money was paid to each participant. End of story. Those few that were demanding to be paid feature positions have no basis for their request. There were no features and Gurley kept his word. In comparison, if you raced at a USAC event and it was called, you would receive $50 tow money, POWRi the same. The total amount in fees for a USAC midget race with entry fee is $75, for POWRi $85. If you do the simple math, the participant is "in the hole" $25 and $35 dollar respectively to race with those organizations with a called race.

I left the track last night with $70 more in my pocket than when I arrived, not counting the one time membership fee (POWRi member fee is $180 BTW). That has never happened before in the eight years I've been racing. Anytime you can leave a track with more money in your pocket than when you arrived, it's a happening. Appreciate it.

ASCT/AMCT is not going away, IOW. This is only the beginning. Next race is June 4 at Montpelier, IN. come out and see what this group has to offer. You'll be pleasantly surprised.

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Let me get this right, you got a $100, paid $30 for a pass (I guess no crew?) and $25 for a membership which totals $55 and you somehow come up with a $70 difference? LOL Let me ask this also, does that midget of yours run on water?????? And while you might not have used up a tire you did put a few dollars worth of wear and tear on them... So you have no crew who are out money, what about your driver? Out of that $100 did you give HIM a cut? After all he is the one risking his LIFE to put on the show. There are many holes in your side but it is YOUR side and you are entitled to it. I would like to ask a question tho, wouldn't you have rather been part of a well run race at a great track that has a fantastic promoter and at the same time tried to rebuild some midget history? You could have done that at TSS...... And if this had been a USAC deal you would have been on here last night screaming bloody murder over only getting a $100 even tho the heats had been run and the field set..... It wasn't ASCT's fault the fence broke but then again they rented that track and it is ASCT's fault he didn't pay start money. I don't always agree with everything Tony Barhorst does (or says) but he WOULD HAVE paid start money and bitten the bullet because he cares about the teams and drivers as well as the fans, apprently this new series isn't as much about the racers as advertised......

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Please do not try to hyjack the thread with all your other issues that have nothing to do with the post. This thread is not about my non participation in the Hut 100. Sounds like you want to micro-manage my race team. If so, you can start by sending me $5000. My number is 440-355-4407.

Now for the fifth grade math, to answer your question: I paid $30 for a pit pass and NO entry fee . A membership fee is not part of the racing fees for the evening. We don't pay a membership everytime we show up at a track. Duh. So, let's go over this again, just for you. If I pay $30 at the track and get back $100 tow money, that's 70 more dollars in my pocket. Any other simple math problems you don't understand?

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Originally Posted by DonMoore10:
Please do not try to hyjack the thread with all your other issues that have nothing to do with the post. This thread is not about my non participation in the Hut 100. Sounds like you want to micro-manage my race team. If so, you can start by sending me $5000. My number is 440-355-4407.

Now for the fifth grade math, to answer your question: I paid $30 for a pit pass and NO entry fee . A membership fee is not part of the racing fees for the evening. We don't pay a membership everytime we show up at a track. Duh. So, let's go over this again, just for you. If I pay $30 at the track and get back $100 tow money, that's 70 more dollars in my pocket. Any other simple math problems you don't understand?

Gee, no wonder you think you made $70 last night if all you passed was 5th grade math and didn't bother with any BUSINESS classes later in life! LOL I guess your midget runs on water, your tow truck has a sail and is powered by the wind and your tires NEVER wear and you have no crew, don't eat and don't pay your driver, and dude, you spent $55 to get in last night and you're hoping you get some mileage out of that $25 membership fee. And I didn't hijack the thread and make it about the Hut, just asked a reasonable question, you CLAIM to be wanting to make midget racing better, did you guys help last night or did some one else? I guess i should have realized you weren't posting a thread to discuss something but rather a story, next time make it easier to see that by starting out with the words "Once upon a time"... and again, if this had been USAC you'd still be screaming....

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A good example of why the U.S. education system is in trouble. As bad as you are trying to make it be, the thread is not about my race team, my business decisions or my personal life.

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Originally Posted by DonMoore10:
A good example of why the U.S. education system is in trouble. As bad as you are trying to make it be, the thread is not about my race team, my business decisions or my personal life.

LOL, seriously, I think the education system failed in your case since you don't seem to believe that expenses should be deducted from the gross to achieve the net....... no sense arguing with a businessman like yourself.....LOL let me know when you want investors for that water powered engine! Take care Mr' Moore, we'll just agree to not agree

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You are a classic example of many on here that have nothing to debate about the post, so you try to ambush the poster. You've posted three times now and said zero about the topic. Congratulations.

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I very rarely agree with anything Don Moore says. But, it seems he has a low budget team. So please explain to me why anyone would expect him to take his low budget team to the Hut 100 to race against teams with endless financial support. Especially, when he can take that same car and race somewhere where he would be competitive. I think if I was in his situation, I would have gone to North Vernon as well.

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Keep in mind that sanction requires a special RR tire...you have to buy a few to get stagger and have spares... there's a few dollars out the window because that tire is not likely to be used anywhere else.

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Cleatziff,

Your post is off topic but I will respond anyway. A good many of the teams that entered the Hut 100 would have been more competitive at North Vernon. The Hut 100 would have equaled several races on the engine but they only raised the purse for first place $1000. A $10,000 to $15,000 to win purse would have been more in line with the stature of the race.

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Originally Posted by buck2:
Keep in mind that sanction requires a special RR tire...you have to buy a few to get stagger and have spares... there's a few dollars out the window because that tire is not likely to be used anywhere else.

Once again my post referred to actual fees paid to the racing org for that particular night of racing. Other expenses are what would be spent regardless of where you are racing. Once again, it was $30 out and $100 back. I'll take that anyday of the week.

For TC, we bought one American Racer for a cheaper price than a similar Hoosier. The purchase of tires is not a peculiar issue to any one org or race. You have to buy them anyway. Doesn't make any difference if you're buying a Hoosier SP2 for the Hut or Gas City, AMCT or whatever. You usually need a new tire. By buying a cheaper American Racer, I went home with even more bucks in my pocket.

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This used to be a really enjoyable forum, but lately it seems it is nothing but personal attacks.

I appreciate anyone trying to get a midget series going in Indiana, because folks we don't have one, and with the exception of midget week we don't get to see midgets run very often for an area that is heavily populated with them.

BTW, I think by most track policies Gurley went above what he was expected to do. A large majority of tracks with rainouts/lights blow up/etc.. before the feature is set is typically a admission/pit pass refund or raincheck only. He went ahead and paid tow money beyond the raincheck.

Montpelier will be a much better ran facility with track prep that is spotless. It's to bad they didn't start the series there.

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I hope you get to use those RR tires again! I was in one of the mini-sprints and had a blast while we got to race. I thought the rules made the different cars close and was looking for some good racing in the dash. With a 1000cc upright mini-sprint you don't get the chance to take the wing off that much. We ran 2 races last year at a little bullring and that was it.
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The cars don't cost a bunch, but it is all wing racing. I have heard before about saftey being a worry with non-wing mini-sprints on a bigger track, but last night proved it can be done safe. When I run TC with a wing, I am tring togo flat foot all the way around the place, but non-wing your off the gas and have to drive the car. Not just pushing the button and holding on.
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I want this to work, I want to run more NON-WING!!!

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Originally Posted by DonMoore10:
Cleatziff,

Your post is off topic but I will respond anyway. A good many of the teams that entered the Hut 100 would have been more competitive at North Vernon. The Hut 100 would have equaled several races on the engine but they only raised the purse for first place $1000. A $10,000 to $15,000 to win purse would have been more in line with the stature of the race.

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Once again my post referred to actual fees paid to the racing org for that particular night of racing. Other expenses are what would be spent regardless of where you are racing. Once again, it was $30 out and $100 back. I'll take that anyday of the week.

For TC, we bought one American Racer for a cheaper price than a similar Hoosier. The purchase of tires is not a peculiar issue to any one org or race. You have to buy them anyway. Doesn't make any difference if you're buying a Hoosier SP2 for the Hut or Gas City, AMCT or whatever. You usually need a new tire. By buying a cheaper American Racer, I went home with even more bucks in my pocket.

Don, I gotta agree with you, I went racing Sat nite myself, not far from TC, we run for a smaller purse, but, if we start the feature, we get a C note. We won our first heat, was leading the second heat, and the oil pump quit scavenging, my driver caught it in time, I hope, and we got $50.00 tow money, and it cost $40.00 in pit passes. Very little tire wear, it would have cost me to go and watch, so I don't count the fuel costs, the pit passes could have been movie costs, dinner at Arby's or McDonald's, so if you go, it's an expense anyway, anytime I can put the car, back in the trailer, in one piece, and get to talk with some friends, I consider it a good evening, for me, it has always been for fun, and I LIKE TO DO IT, why make such a fuss out of it, most of these folks that are ragging so much, don't own a car, work on one, or support one, so what gives them a right to pass judgement on some one who does? In my little way of figuring it, I had a good evening of fun, and some participation in something I do enjoy. I too, get tired of reading some of this ragging, especially by someone who really are happy, just stirring the pot! Bob:15:

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fuel used in the race car = $30
gas money to and from the track = $60
Pit pass for me and my crew chief = $60
Seeing a HORNET car flip out of the ball part and into the woods.......................................PRICEL ESS!!!!!!

Yes everyone there, drivers, car owners, fans in the grandstands, and fans in the pits, all spent money to get there. Everyone there has there own choice what they want to do with there own money.

I don't usual get on here and talk about stupid stuff (like the majority of the people do on here) but DON MOORE IS RIGHT, John Gurley was doing a great job with what he had to work with. He was going to call the race that morning do to weather and KNOWING there was going to be maybe 30-40 race fans in the Grandstands and he was going to loss his @$$ if he ran the race, but the true racer/promoter in him went ahead and ran the race and try to get the series going in the right direction.

NO ONE there had any idea of what that outcome was going to be. I am glad he even gave out the $100, Heck my first thought was they were going to tell us the race is cancelled and no money was going to be handed out and take ALL OF THE MONEY AND RUN.

Thank you for your time. ROGER, OVER AND OUT...................

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This thread will go nowhere.

Don Moore has posted his bloated opinion again and the rest of the thread will be him insulting poster's intelligence and telling them they're off-topic and refusing to answer every single one of their on-topic counterpoints.

Now to make this on-topic, the teams got twice the tow money they would get from USAC or POWRi, HOW IS THIS WRONG??? Do you expect start money WHEN YOU DIDNT EVEN START A FEATURE???? Some of you guys must be just looking for a reason to screw John Gurley. North Vernon is a dump, the fence has been a problem FOR YEARS, the blame falls squarely on the shoulders of the Fleetwoods. We can join this with their INCREDIBLY UNPROFESSIONALISM in the thread Mason posted last night. I hope John Gurley has the sense to stay off the board and deal with this on his own and not in public.

I've said before I don't expect the ASCT to last any longer than SCORA did but it's a damn shame if it dies because of greedy crybabies and owners of sh*thole racetracks!

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I can't wait til this series gets to the JEWEL of the mid-west know as MONTPILIER:8:

Would don have made any money if this happened in WISCONSIN OR Illinois:11:

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Originally Posted by USAC Fan:
This thread will go nowhere.

Don Moore has posted his bloated opinion again and the rest of the thread will be him insulting poster's intelligence and telling them they're off-topic and refusing to answer every single one of their on-topic counterpoints.

Thanks, man. Always appreciate the off topic bloated complimentary comments on IOW.

what would have happened if it would have rained out? Does anyone other than non-car owners or drivers have a problem? This board is a joke. Everyone wants to go to the track but everyone can't wait to be done by 9. Everyone wants big purses but no one wants to pay a little extra to make it possible. Don Moore I will continue to cheer for your car everynight I see it. You seem to be one of a few that actually get this money pit of a sport.
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I will give my two cents about this as a driver that ran Saturday Night in the Midgets.

I appreciate John trying to get a midget series going in Indiana. We have been saying it needed to be done for some time and he has steped up to do it. I knew there were going to be issues as it was first race but there were somethings that really bugged me.

The whole tire deal for the midgets is really messed up. You can run two tires Hoosier SP 4 OR American Racer SD44. Now one would think these two tires would be comparable but they are NOT!!!! The SP4 durometers at almost 70 and the SD44 durometers at a 45. That is almost a 30 point difference.

When questioned this call one person told me they would look at but they would not budge and this is what everyone said were the 2 tires that should be ran. Someone else was asked and said that this was done on purpose to push American Racer. The problem here is that one: they did not bring any tires to the track, and the American Racer is comparable to a SP2 Hoosier tire.

That was my biggest problem with everything and think that this needs to be looked at. If you want to push American Racer than make it so only one tire is legal to run...American Racer SD44.

Thats my two cents about the race. It was good racing, track was dry and was going to rubber down for the features. Was turning into a one line race on the high side.

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Originally Posted by Cincy Dirt Bowl:
I hope you get to use those RR tires again! I was in one of the mini-sprints and had a blast while we got to race. I thought the rules made the different cars close and was looking for some good racing in the dash. With a 1000cc upright mini-sprint you don't get the chance to take the wing off that much. We ran 2 races last year at a little bullring and that was it.
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The cars don't cost a bunch, but it is all wing racing. I have heard before about saftey being a worry with non-wing mini-sprints on a bigger track, but last night proved it can be done safe. When I run TC with a wing, I am tring togo flat foot all the way around the place, but non-wing your off the gas and have to drive the car. Not just pushing the button and holding on.
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I want this to work, I want to run more NON-WING!!!

Honestly to me CCR, It actually showed me your talent, You kept moving forward, Got third I think but were gaining on the leader. Lindsay did the same. The big reason the winged doesn't do it for me is its all keep it wound, The slightest bobble or lift will cost you seconds, not tenths. Feeling the car and how its reacting to the track you kept going forward! Also the cars are not stuck like glue to the surface. Certainly it takes talent to win with the wing but it also takes THE BIGGEST BUILT MOTOR you can buy and that motor won't last half as long with that lid.

I didn't jump in to hijack the thread, just respond to you, You seemed to be enjoying it and I enjoyed seeing you run as with the other 17 midget class participants.

Back on topic. I've only seen one demanding their start money, I have yet to see a promotor anywhere pay any feature money without a lap being run. Theres some who'll give you a rain check or your pit pass back. IMHO if the fence stayed up, All would have been happy. At least from a fans perspective, I would have been.

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Regarding the tires. The tires that would be acceptable for the AMCT series were announced many, many weeks ago. In fact, I think it was actually months ago. Everyone, including myself, had the opportunity to buy either tire way in advance. So, everyone had the same opportunity to race with either tire. There were a few that apparently were frustrated at the track about the choice of tires. If you waited till race day to voice your concerns you were several months too late. That's the bottomline with the tires. Observation: Shane Cottle was running a Hoosier SP4 and he seemed to be getting around the track just fine with the supposed harder Hoosier. I think John Gurley's aim is too try to keep the costs of tires to a minimum and the American Racer is the cheaper tire. Is the purple tire company willing to reduce the costs of their tire? IDK, I haven't seen it happen in the 8 years I've been in this business. I just purchased $2000 worth of purple tires for various race org meets and I wasn't offered any discount.

We are seeing some dramatic issues being played out here, IOW. This series is opening some very interesting scenarios that haven't been challenged in a long, long time and the AMCT concept is dispelling a lot of theories that have been circulating for years and years. "You can't do this" and "this won't work"... "never happen". This is going to get very interesting.

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Originally Posted by Charles Nungester:
Honestly to me CCR, It actually showed me your talent, You kept moving forward, Got third I think but were gaining on the leader. Lindsay did the same. The big reason the winged doesn't do it for me is its all keep it wound, The slightest bobble or lift will cost you seconds, not tenths. Feeling the car and how its reacting to the track you kept going forward! Also the cars are not stuck like glue to the surface. Certainly it takes talent to win with the wing but it also takes THE BIGGEST BUILT MOTOR you can buy and that motor won't last half as long with that lid.

I didn't jump in to hijack the thread, just respond to you, You seemed to be enjoying it and I enjoyed seeing you run as with the other 17 midget class participants.

Back on topic. I've only seen one demanding their start money, I have yet to see a promotor anywhere pay any feature money without a lap being run. Theres some who'll give you a rain check or your pit pass back. IMHO if the fence stayed up, All would have been happy. At least from a fans perspective, I would have been.

I've only been in this situation once, a few years back with a winged organization. After the B-feature the bottom fell out. The race track rain policy which, I believe, mirrored most tracks in the area and was posted at both the grandstands and the pit window, stated that if half of the scheduled races (including heat races) had been run, the program was considered complete. No rain checks would be honored. Since there was no make-up date available for this track, and since he'd already gotten his money from the fans, the promoter added up the purse and distributed it evenly among the A-feature qualifiers, stating that all qualifiers had the same opportunity to win that race. The points were also evenly distributed.

I don't know if this situation is the same as something happening to the track to make it un-raceable (sp?), but it appeared to be the most fair thing to do both from the racers' and promoter's standpoint. He did, however, have a full grandstand and a stake in whether this sanctioning body would return in the future. This might not apply in the future between ASCT and North Vernon, at least not at this time.

Tim Simmons

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I believe the pit pass fees and the front gate money were controlled by the Fleetwoods.................... ummmm........ ummmmm.... you can fill in the conclusion... um.... ummmm

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you put your neck out on the line to get something going, then people look for any oporitunity they can just to bash u in the ground.

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Originally Posted by grinch:
There are days i think these message boards are good and there are days i think they are worthless.........take your pic.

Jerry ! Jerry ! Jerry ! Kinda reminds me of the Springer show..................DRAMA :15:

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"There are many holes in your side but it is YOUR side and you are entitled to it. I would like to ask a question tho, wouldn't you have rather been part of a well run race at a great track that has a fantastic promoter and at the same time tried to rebuild some midget history? You could have done that at TSS...."
This was from the second post in the thread...so I wasn't completly off topic, I was just trying to address something that I never really understood. My post was supposed to be more of a question than a statement. Thanks Don for shedding a little light on this.

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Originally Posted by buck2:
Keep in mind that sanction requires a special RR tire...you have to buy a few to get stagger and have spares... there's a few dollars out the window because that tire is not likely to be used anywhere else.

Don you can't reason with alot of people on here. These guys are rich and they throw away all those stagger tires and start over fresh every show. They can't possibly be any good any place else, Hell they have north vernon dirt on them , and if you choose to not use your ASCT tire at the next ASCT show, that is of no ones
elses fault but yours. Almost all tracks have gone to a spec. tire and you have to have stagger there also. Almost all if not all series have a spec. tire , heck the outlaws have changed their tire rule so many times I'm starting to think its ran by opposit sex, not bashing you wonderful women.I'll ay it again that was cheap for a RR tire buy a DT3 it used to be a cheap 148 to 155 RR until they speced it every where and started giving tracks money to use them. John has to pay for them they were not given to him for free. Its and MC3 and you can use it some where else. And if its the only tire you can't use be happy, because those stagger tires can be used almost every where.
Don lets you and I start a tire company and catch fence and cable and fuel company and follow there series around, I'm sure we can make a killin some where, what you think. These guys either throw it away or tear it up. JMO Jeff:15:

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mr. moore........ yes the pit gate monies were controlled by the fleetwoods.... the aggreement was....... mr g was to lease the track for 4800.00... the fleetwoods would pay for workers ,ambulance , wreckers, etc.... mr g. would get the gate monies but would pay the purse for all classes...... the purse for the classes not related to mr. g came to 10,600.00... a deposite of 1000.00 ,paid later than agreed,was made thus a balance of 3800.00 due.... at racenight... the fleetwoods collected the money at the gates and told mr.g that his people we welcome to sit with them or take down numbers of wrist bands... the backgate collected 10,100.00...the grandstands had 131 people... mr.g stood to loose about 15,000.00 ... he told the fleetwoods he only had 9,000.00 to lose....... mr. g called the fence getting tore down a blessing..... now the local classes were scheduled to run a double feature the next week thus the purse had to be covered and the drivers paid... happens all the time.... the fleetwoods kept the back gate monies of 10,100.00 to cover that purse per their aggreement.,still short 500.00...the front gate pit passes are going to be honored at the next race,i believe...... fleetwoods still not collected their 3800.00 ..... now if mr. g would have collected that money would he have been there at the next race to pay the purses promised to the local classes? that is what i have been told and my take of the situation........ i am no way affiliated with the fleetwoods, twin cities, or any other race track other than helping to sponsor when i can...... don short

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Good post Don . I don't always agree with you but in this case your point was will stated. One there were enough cars for a race . They were not all the same but they were competive . Finally there was money to help with expenses. Theses rules are similar to OMMS . We have a right rear of 35 or more and you must use the same right rear all night. Check out our schedule , I am going to look at yours even if it is a long pull . Sounds like fun , ROCK ON .