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We've been away for a few days and away from computer contact and have just caught up on all the different threads posted in regards to the upcoming event at Twin Cities Raceway Park this Saturday night May 8th. Below you will find accurate information regarding all events taking place at Twin Cities this Saturday Night for the ASCT event and other classes that are competing. Mason and I are looking forward to this event. Sprints always put on a very thrilling and entertaining show at TCRP and we have always received so much positive feedback from racers as well as Sprint Fans! So please come on out this Saturday Night and bring the Family, Neighbors and Friends for a funfilled night of racing, food, and beautiful weather:)

Best Regards,
Mason and Tawnya Fleetwood

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May 8th info for Twin Cities

Gates open @ 2:00 pm
Grandstands open @ 4:00 pm

Grandstand Admission $15.00
Pit Pass $35.00

Racing Agenda:
American Sprint Car Tour
American Midget Car Tour
UMP Super Stocks
UMP Mini Stocks
UMP Hornets
MMSA

Please go to our website for complete and accurate race information www.twincitiesracing.net

ATTN: MMSA drivers
Our track rule ( as it has always been) is that 1 car cannot run mutiple classes. ie a MMSA 1000 sprint will not be allowed to run in the ASCT class. A driver is allowed to race in more than one class however, if any driver runs more than 1 class, a pit band must be purchased for each class a driver participates in. ( ie if a driver runs a hornet and a sprint, he/she must purchase a 2 bands. )

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$35 seems kind of high for a pit pass, not allowing a team to use the same car in 2 events that it's legal for is cheating the teams, drivers and series not to mention the fans out of extra racing/racers and charging for multiple passes per event entered is just plain WRONG.....

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Originally Posted by racerdog45:
$35 seems kind of high for a pit pass, not allowing a team to use the same car in 2 events that it's legal for is cheating the teams, drivers and series not to mention the fans out of extra racing/racers and charging for multiple passes per event entered is just plain WRONG.....

For someone who claims he is going to the WoO race at Eldora Saturday, you sure have spent alot of time ******** about a race you are not even attending.

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not ********, just making a comment, I thought we were still in the USA where I was allowed to do so. I have used no foul language, told no lies and have made no insults, just stated my thoughts AND I was planning on a couple of races at Twin Cities this year but this might very well change my mind. Sorry for stating a thought on a message board, guess I was wrong in thinking that you could... now to ask, do YOU think that $35 is fair? think it's fair you can't run a car in 2 classes? think you should have to pay multiple it passes?

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Is this just for drivers doing mini/sprints or midget/sprints also.... Never heard of this before

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$35 for a pit pass is pretty unreasonable. So if a driver wants to race a sprint and a midget, they'd have to buy 2 pit passes, $70 all together. This just sounds pretty crazy. Some of USAC's biggest races only charge $30 per pit pass, and you are getting a larger purse.

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How about not charging the owners and drivers, like "0", since we are entertaining your fans. I worked as an entertainer for many, many years and still do part time and I've never paid a fee to get into any establishment/entertainment venue to entertain the crowd. N-E-V-E-R.

I've never, ever heard of charging double if an owner/driver is doing double duty. I don't get it and I sure don't get charging the entertainers to get into the venue, especially $35.

The obscene practice of charging drivers/owners has got to stop. The problem is that it has been going on for so long in the racing business that most everyone can't get it out of their thick skull that it is wrong, wrong, wrong and makes no sense whatsoever.

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Ridiculous to say the least. Pay 1 Pit Pass per person and let them run as many classes as they want......

Not a good start for the ASCT and the supporters??

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Originally Posted by Midget18:
Is this just for drivers doing mini/sprints or midget/sprints also.... Never heard of this before

Mini sprints and midget classes is what is discussed. Drivers car still run a midget and a sprint in their classes. This can be done with just one pitpass..

---------- Post added at 07:37 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:35 PM ----------

Originally Posted by Clydesdale:
$35 for a pit pass is pretty unreasonable. So if a driver wants to race a sprint and a midget, they'd have to buy 2 pit passes, $70 all together. This just sounds pretty crazy. Some of USAC's biggest races only charge $30 per pit pass, and you are getting a larger purse.

You can run the Midget class and the sprint class both for the price of 1 pitpass. This is an ASCT rule, and will not change. We have several teams scheduled to do so.
Thanks,
BIG JIM

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A $35 pit pass is excessive in my opinion, especially in this economic environment when guys are scraping together $$$$ just to be able to race. Between entry fees/gas/etc we'll be spending near $200 before we ever get the trailer out of the driveway.

I have considered skipping USAC events because of the $30 entry fee......I will have to reconsider showing up at TC on Saturday. As long as we keep paying these unreasonable entry fees nothing will change.

We may have to sit this one out.

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im goin to post my oppinion on this.. i was planned on running sat but may go to lawrenceburg now. i think its a joke to pay $35 for a a pit pass to race at a track that the catch fence hasnt been updated in god knows how long whether mason is making money or not is his buisness not anyone elses. i dont care about that its the fact that the economy is so bad now we can barely afford to race on $25 pit passes and race your balls off to break even for that night. now we have 35 down the drain and another 35 if we wanna run two classes WHO DOES THAT? asct is doin a great thing trying to make it affordable to race now the track is making it just as expencive. All this is doin is running his people off look at lawrenceburg top of the line everything and has always been $25 and i done double dutie there and didnt have to pay an extra $25.. just my thoughts and im done so if you wanna bash me go ahead im done i said what i need to say and i think many will agree.

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Originally Posted by Phylo82:
A $35 pit pass is excessive in my opinion, especially in this economic environment when guys are scraping together $$$$ just to be able to race. Between entry fees/gas/etc we'll be spending near $200 before we ever get the trailer out of the driveway.

I have considered skipping USAC events because of the $30 entry fee......I will have to reconsider showing up at TC on Saturday. As long as we keep paying these unreasonable entry fees nothing will change.

We may have to sit this one out.

If Bloomington ends up raining out we will probably go to Waynesfield... $35 for a pitpass, $15 entry fee, only $60 to start and not allowed to run with the midgets. Plus the 3 hour drive.

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I forgot Waynesfield was running the 1000cc this Saturday.

$25 pit pass there.....might be a better option.

We enjoy running with the MMSA at TC but that $35 pit pass just rubs me the wrong way.

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Mason and tawnya fleetwood didn't set gate prices or pit passes for thiis event. These prices were set by the sancitioning body of asct [big jim and jt]. Sorry for the price this weekend. Thanks mason

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Originally Posted by twincitiespr:
Mason and tawnya fleetwood didn't set gate prices or pit passes for thiis event. These prices were set by the sancitioning body of asct [big jim and jt]. Sorry for the price this weekend. Thanks mason

Maybe but why would you let someone else tell you what to charge to enter your pits. and who set the double pitpass?

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My first visit to Twin Cities was for ISW. I couldn't believe it when I was told that my pit pass was not good for sitting in the grandstand, that I would have to purchase a grandstand seat also. That was also my last visit. Looks like the philosophy hasn't changed much.

$35 pit fee plus 6 classes. Wow! I never heard of anyone charging one person for more than one pit pass, either. I really don't understand the reasoning behind this, especially with the economy the way it is. Perhaps the thought is that the racers should pay for the opportunity to race, rather than depending on fans. I just don't understand.

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This one's gonna get interesting, I do believe.:5:

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Originally Posted by Jerry Shaw:
This one's gonna get interesting, I do believe.:5:

Gonna get??.........It has been for some time now.........:34:

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this has been a track rule for 4 years, they are recieving tow money so this sould not be a big deal. we have had drivers bring 3 cars that is 90 dollars in tow and only 25dollars in pit passes. just trying to keep it fair. admission prices are more then normal, but after this weekend they will go back to normal 10 grandstand and 25 pitpass. thanks mason

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Originally Posted by Clydesdale:
$35 for a pit pass is pretty unreasonable. So if a driver wants to race a sprint and a midget, they'd have to buy 2 pit passes, $70 all together. This just sounds pretty crazy. Some of USAC's biggest races only charge $30 per pit pass, and you are getting a larger purse.

no they wouldn't pay $70. usually 1 person = 1 pit pass. if thats how Twin Cities does that is the biggest load of B.S. i have heard in quit some time.

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double pit pass. now that could be considered wrong. $70 for 1 person. drivers trying to make a buck not loose it. do the drivers have too wear 2 wrist band to.

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For everyone involved... Nobody has to purchase 2 pit passes. There are rules in place that allow the sprint class to also pull double duty in the midget event, this is done with 1 pit pass. This whole problem has started because the MINI SPRINTS arent allowed to compete in both events. They have had to choose, MMSA or AMCT. As for the price of pit passes, this was a must do. The prices are raised for this event due to the payout. The sprints and midgets are guaranteed tow money. This could not be done without a small increase in pass price. REMEMBER alot of series are now charging entry fees for this kind of event. We don't believe in entry fees, and will do everything possible to refrain from them. I would also like people to understand this is an event where the ASCT has had to lease this facility. Leases aren't free, they cost.
THANKS,
BIG JIM

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Jim,

Do I have to pay for 2 Pit Passes If I am running a mini sprint with MMSA and a Midget with you guys. This is pretty much what the Sprint/Midget guys are doing. The same car will not be used. One will be a 1000cc Mini Sprint with MMSA and a full size midget with you guys!!!! Thank you

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Kokomo & Gas City are the most fan friendly track`s I go to.
This Sunday`s race at KOKOMO and Gas City is $12 front gate.
Could it be thats why they both fill the stand`s every week ??
Plus the racing is better than anyplace else in Indiana except possibly Bloomington.
Also there are USAC drivers there if USAC isn`t running that night.....

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Mr Fleetwood I work for a team and do not have a dog in this race,but this is :21: I can not believe you do not have control over your track.$35 is a little over board and would not attend or work a race at that back gate price.

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IOWheelers... This promotion/promoter actually looks like a true saint compared to other operations. As a whole this promotion from top to bottom pays much better than any other regional promotion BY FAR and there are several perks that will allow the racer to save money over the long haul. I think the double pit pass deal has been explained and isn't an issue.

I can tell you this. If you race a POWRi event and are a non member, you will pay a $50 entry fee plus $30 for a pit pass. Two years ago, I attended a regional winged sprint car pavement show at Mansfield Speedway and the pit pass was $40!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And the purse they were paying the winged guys was less than the purse being offered by ASCT. Two years ago I paid a $100 entry fee at Tri City Speedway, Pontoon, IL and got back $30 at the end of the evening and I had to call the promoters, the Gundakers three times to get it. If you are a non member of USAC, you are going to pay an entry fee of $40 PLUS a $35 pit pass and they are paying (along with POWRi) $50 tow money. ASCT is offering TWICE that if you don't make the show. That is the best deal in America for sprints and midgets as far as I know.

Also, $100-150 to race in Tulsa and the promoters make you buy their electricity. Yeah.. ur reading this correctly. You have to buy their electric. And they are dieing to get in that place, spend their life savings and walk out with pockets empty with a smile on their face.

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I would like to try and explain why a driver who runs multiple classes has to purchase a pit pass for each class ran.

1. Tow money is paid out to each driver and that usually covers pit pass price.

2. A track wouldn't survive very long if it allowed drivers to run multiple classes with only 1 pit pass. No more fans, pit crew coming in for that 2nd or maybe even a 3rd car = no more money to pay out.

Anyone within reason should understand that you can't payout more money if you are not bringing in more money.

Someone mentioned "with the way the economy is"......exactly, pit counts have not been as high the past couple of seasons = even less revenue so how can we be expected to pay for a driver to run multiple classes with only paying the same price another driver pays to just run 1 class. The math don't add up. This is not meant to penalize anyone. Like I mentioned before, tow money usually covers the price of the extra pit pass.

Mason mentioned previously that we did not set the gate price. But guys have you not seen the purse payouts for the ASCT & AMCT features plus the tow money? That is some pretty healthy payouts all the way through to even the start money and tow money.

Also, we have never hosted a Indiana Sprint Week show in the past.....if you purchase a pit pass at Twin Cities, you have free range between grandstands and pits. :6:

Tawnya Fleetwood
Twin Cities Raceway Park

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If the track has been leased by the ASCT then why do the TC rules apply to the mini sprints. Twin Cities say its the ASCT for the high pit pass prices, and the ASCT says its the track not allowing 2 classes and the charging of 2 pit passes. Whose is in charge? I guess just Pass the buck and make the racer pay for it!
If the minis are really a Twin Cities class then why do we have to pay the extra pit pass money for the ASCT? We can't take advantage of what the ASCT says they are charging for, plus I thought I was running with the MMSA at Twin Cities. If minis are a Twin Cities class then why do I have to pay a MMSA entry fee?

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Heck of a way for a track to treat someone leasing there facility. Just have to consider the source. Good luck ASCT will see u guys somewhere this season.

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Do you have to start the B main to receive two money from the AMCT or will you get it just for running the heat?

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Originally Posted by Midget18:
Jim,

Do I have to pay for 2 Pit Passes If I am running a mini sprint with MMSA and a Midget with you guys. This is pretty much what the Sprint/Midget guys are doing. The same car will not be used. One will be a 1000cc Mini Sprint with MMSA and a full size midget with you guys!!!! Thank you

No you will be covered with 1 pit pass. Hope this helps..

BIG JIM

---------- Post added at 08:22 AM ---------- Previous post was at 08:12 AM ----------

Originally Posted by Jrp4554:
Do you have to start the B main to receive two money from the AMCT or will you get it just for running the heat?

With the AMCT tow money, you must complete atleast 1 lap of a heat race to qualify.

Thanks,
BIG JIM

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Originally Posted by twincitiespr:
I would like to try and explain why a driver who runs multiple classes has to purchase a pit pass for each class ran.

1. Tow money is paid out to each driver and that usually covers pit pass price.

2. A track wouldn't survive very long if it allowed drivers to run multiple classes with only 1 pit pass. No more fans, pit crew coming in for that 2nd or maybe even a 3rd car = no more money to pay out.

Anyone within reason should understand that you can't payout more money if you are not bringing in more money.

Someone mentioned "with the way the economy is"......exactly, pit counts have not been as high the past couple of seasons = even less revenue so how can we be expected to pay for a driver to run multiple classes with only paying the same price another driver pays to just run 1 class. The math don't add up. This is not meant to penalize anyone. Like I mentioned before, tow money usually covers the price of the extra pit pass.

Mason mentioned previously that we did not set the gate price. But guys have you not seen the purse payouts for the ASCT & AMCT features plus the tow money? That is some pretty healthy payouts all the way through to even the start money and tow money.

Also, we have never hosted a Indiana Sprint Week show in the past.....if you purchase a pit pass at Twin Cities, you have free range between grandstands and pits. :6:

Tawnya Fleetwood
Twin Cities Raceway Park

This post sums it up why Twin Cities is such a ***** hole. You obviously have piss poor lazy promoters running this place. To expect the racers to pay for everything is absolutely rediculous. Get off your a$$ and promote the place to put fans in the stands and maybe you would make a little money.

To claim that a track would not last very long if you didn't charge double is nothing but a cop out for poor promoting. Putnamville, Gas City, Bloomington, Kokomo and Lawrenceburg have had people running multiple classes and have survived for decades and their promoters get the stands 3/4 to full every week.

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Originally Posted by Finish-LineMM:
For everyone involved... Nobody has to purchase 2 pit passes. There are rules in place that allow the sprint class to also pull double duty in the midget event, this is done with 1 pit pass. This whole problem has started because the MINI SPRINTS arent allowed to compete in both events. They have had to choose, MMSA or AMCT. As for the price of pit passes, this was a must do. The prices are raised for this event due to the payout. The sprints and midgets are guaranteed tow money. This could not be done without a small increase in pass price. REMEMBER alot of series are now charging entry fees for this kind of event. We don't believe in entry fees, and will do everything possible to refrain from them. I would also like people to understand this is an event where the ASCT has had to lease this facility. Leases aren't free, they cost.
THANKS,
BIG JIM

So... now the Bigger Better Stronger purse being advertised... is actually just larger due tot he drivers and crews being charged more at the back gate.... with the front gate being raised as well.... ever thought of being a oil tycoon.... sounds like a parallel highway.

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Originally Posted by sprintcar64:
this post sums it up why twin cities is such a ***** hole. You obviously have piss poor lazy promoters running this place. To expect the racers to pay for everything is absolutely rediculous. Get off your a$$ and promote the place to put fans in the stands and maybe you would make a little money.

To claim that a track would not last very long if you didn't charge double is nothing but a cop out for poor promoting. Putnamville, gas city, bloomington, kokomo and lawrenceburg have had people running multiple classes and have survived for decades and their promoters get the stands 3/4 to full every week.

dave allison still owns the joint :42::

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the tow pit pass rule has been for 4 years? then how come ive raced two classes before there and never paid for two passes? guess they dont inforce it verry well. $35 for pit pass ok thats not a huge deal for me its the two pit pass deal that doesnt make since. Mason you know as well as we all do the racers are the ones thats gonna make you money if we dont show up then you wont have a crowd by raising prices for us that meens less cars. If you have a lot of cars show up and good racing the word will get out and the next race youl have more fans but fans arent gonna show up even with a $10 gate fee if theres only 15 cars so then it costs you more money you have to think in the long run to.

logan hupp

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Originally Posted by hupp#9:
the tow pit pass rule has been for 4 years? then how come ive raced two classes before there and never paid for two passes? guess they dont inforce it verry well. $35 for pit pass ok thats not a huge deal for me its the two pit pass deal that doesnt make since. Mason you know as well as we all do the racers are the ones thats gonna make you money if we dont show up then you wont have a crowd by raising prices for us that meens less cars. If you have a lot of cars show up and good racing the word will get out and the next race youl have more fans but fans arent gonna show up even with a $10 gate fee if theres only 15 cars so then it costs you more money you have to think in the long run to.

logan hupp

This Sat night I can assure you nobody will have to purchase 2 pit passes. This track is leased for our events, and rules are in place. The only classes that are involved is the AMCT and the MMSA. You can not run both events, so no need to purchase extra pit passes. What the tracks general rules are after this weekend is their business, but lets get this event in without any more debate. We are asking that you attend our inagural race, and hope to see you there.
Thanks,
BIG JIM

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Yes... Give these guys and the event the benefit of the doubt. They will need a few race meets to shake out any issues. There are very few new events/products/whathaveyou that come off perfect the first time around. We've been waiting a good many years for someone to step up to the plate and reintroduce midget racing. Support this event.

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Pit Passes for this weeks event have been reduced to $30. We hope you attend our season opener this sat night.

Thanks,
BIG JIM

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