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Nascar wanted it and now they have good ols time racing!
Brad K nailed Edwards early in the day so Edwards just turn Brad K over.
This should be a good discussion with NASCAR and their new rules.
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I won't want brad knub nuts racin' next to me!!!:21:

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Maybe Im wrong but I didn't see Brad's car come off the yellow line but I did see Edwards car come down. I called it a racing deal. Really if anything you have to say that Edward's was at fault at least in this instance anyway. If I was Edwards I would toss the white gloves!! They'll screw ya everytime!!

On another note,how much longer are we going to have to hear the boogity, boogity crap!!! It's not cute anymore. The first 15 times maybe but NO LONGER!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by john3g:
Maybe Im wrong but I didn't see Brad's car come off the yellow line but I did see Edwards car come down. I called it a racing deal. Really if anything you have to say that Edward's was at fault at least in this instance anyway. If I was Edwards I would toss the white gloves!! They'll screw ya everytime!!

On another note,how much longer are we going to have to hear the boogity, boogity crap!!! It's not cute anymore. The first 15 times maybe but NO LONGER!!!!!!!

That's exactly what I saw, too. Keselowski has had a few incidents this year, but today's incidents weren't among them. Edwards even admitted that after watching the replay, after his wreck. And not only was the last deal obviously intentional, he also tried the same thing the lap before and missed.

Jerry

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It's too bad he missed the first time!:15:

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Originally Posted by mnnonwing:
It's too bad he missed the first time!:15:

I feel sorry for anyone who goes to a race (or watches one) hoping to see a driver get in a wreck.

Jerry

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Originally Posted by john3g:
On another note,how much longer are we going to have to hear the boogity, boogity crap!!! It's not cute anymore. The first 15 times maybe but NO LONGER!!!!!!!

And that's why I have the "mute" button close by. Great invention, that. ;)

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Originally Posted by john3g:
Maybe Im wrong but I didn't see Brad's car come off the yellow line but I did see Edwards car come down. I called it a racing deal. Really if anything you have to say that Edward's was at fault at least in this instance anyway. If I was Edwards I would toss the white gloves!! They'll screw ya everytime!!

On another note,how much longer are we going to have to hear the boogity, boogity crap!!! It's not cute anymore. The first 15 times maybe but NO LONGER!!!!!!!

And they wonder why the TV ratings keep dropping!

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Well, I kind of disagree with all of you...lol!...and no offense. I don't want to make any enemies...lol!

But I don't listen to the TV, I turn the sound off and listen to Channel 128 on XM/Sirius radio for all the races. They do a good job. It's not cheap. I pay for both XM and Sirius. Not to smart on my part!

Personally I think all the races (white flag finish) and incidents adds to the glamor and exictement of the races. I can't remember a race where a driver or a fan didn't wants to punch someone out or looses his temper. I don't condone it, but I love it...lol!

No, I wouldn't want to take my children to the races, but I would...lol!

I would just to my child fighting is not good, but even America starts war or gets in one every 5 years or so. And there is so much violence and death in the Bible, that I wonder if disagreement or death or fighting is just a part of life. You want to forget it or stop it, but the likely hood of somebody getting mad at work or in play is something that will probably happen again, again and again.

Larry "O" and peace with be with you...lol! I did enjoy the races, but it did cost me a little. Cable, internet and XM radio. :10:

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Originally Posted by Jerry Shaw:
I feel sorry for anyone who goes to a race (or watches one) hoping to see a driver get in a wreck.

Jerry

Sorry that's crapcar racin' don't like it don't watch it.:16

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the first deal was a racing incident and more carl's fault than Brad's but that last deal was just messed up, 150+ laps down, NASCAR need to do one of two things, either park Carl for a race or let Brad have a free shot once they hit a superspeedway.... Cousin Carl's head hasn't gotten way too big since he won big a couple years ago, one would have thought the drought that was 2009 would have cured that......

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Maybe both of them have been watching too much Madhouse! IMO Edwards should be parked for Bristol. 150 laps down and retaliates on a car in the Top 10 with 5 laps to go. No room for that in my book.

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This is why i shoot in a dart league on Sunday's so i don't have to see this stuff. Darts and BEER on a Sunday, it don't get no better than that! :32:

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Originally Posted by FishBurger:
And that's why I have the "mute" button close by. Great invention, that. ;)

That is exactly what I did today. I just can't believe that we are the only people that think that enough is enough:15:. Hell you would even have to believe that D.W knows this:14:. Lots of empty seats there. LOTS!! Is this a sign of things to come,taking Bristol out the equation.

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Originally Posted by Tim Watson:
This is why i shoot in a dart league on Sunday's so i don't have to see this stuff. Darts and BEER on a Sunday, it don't get no better than that! :32:

You are on the right track my friend!:6::6::6::6: I stopped watching it on TV when ole doofus Darrell, Larry McDumbazz and friends turned it into a redneck rodeo on FOX.:15::3:

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Originally Posted by larryoracing:
well, i kind of disagree with all of you...lol!...and no offense. I don't want to make any enemies...lol!

But i don't listen to the tv, i turn the sound off and listen to channel 128 on xm/sirius radio for all the races. They do a good job. It's not cheap. I pay for both xm and sirius. Not to smart on my part!

Personally i think all the races (white flag finish) and incidents adds to the glamor and exictement of the races. I can't remember a race where a driver or a fan didn't wants to punch someone out or looses his temper. I don't condone it, but i love it...lol!

No, i wouldn't want to take my children to the races, but i would...lol!

I would just to my child fighting is not good, but even america starts war or gets in one every 5 years or so. And there is so much violence and death in the bible, that i wonder if disagreement or death or fighting is just a part of life. You want to forget it or stop it, but the likely hood of somebody getting mad at work or in play is something that will probably happen again, again and again.

Larry "o" and peace with be with you...lol! I did enjoy the races, but it did cost me a little. Cable, internet and xm radio. :10:

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It's NASCAR. It's sucked for the last 15 years, 10 of which I have never watched outside of the plate races uptil 2007. NASCAR is finding out that their "product" doesn't cut it anymore with people. They can watch fights on WWE that are more believeable, drama on Jerry Springer that is alot funnier, and people who can actually race at their local short track.

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Want goes around, comes around. Not just talking about todays race. Brad has a history of wrecking competitors. How about flipping Carl last year, what was done about that. Carl did not expect him to flip, but he wanted a payback that would count. Good going Carl, what happened with NASCAR saying they were going to let the drivers settle it on the track. This is the only way you teach a banger that you can get banged in return. Some of you open wheel guys do not understand the stock car mentality. Out of my 48 years of driving, I drove stock cars for twenty years of that and that was the way you handled things. No arguement, just my honest opinion. Sam Stockon Sr.

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1) Racerdog45, what kind of car was that you showed? Was it a Simonize, Indy car or something? Can't remember that car?

2) Bruce Harrison that is a cool shirt. All racing jackets should have that logo/saying on it. That is very cool! Do you sell those shirts/sweaters.

3) I think the incident with Carl today is like when Donnie and Cale threw punches at each other. It might of been a bad thing, but more fans tuned in. Kind of like a soap opera. Dangerous, but that is the nature of the sport.

4) And from some of the videos, sprint car have been doin' a lot of bang/rubbing lately and every racers holds a grudge and waits for the day to pay back. Brad just got payed back. I think both want to calm it down now.

Larry "O" and God Bless all Indianopenwheel fans. :8:

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I hope Carl got an Atta-Boy and a Miller Light from them cats in the NASCRAP trailor in his "Meeting".

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Originally Posted by Larryoracing:
1) Racerdog45, what kind of car was that you showed? Was it a Simonize, Indy car or something? Can't remember that car?

2) Bruce Harrison that is a cool shirt. All racing jackets should have that logo/saying on it. That is very cool! Do you sell those shirts/sweaters.

3) I think the incident with Carl today is like when Donnie and Cale threw punches at each other. It might of been a bad thing, but more fans tuned in. Kind of like a soap opera. Dangerous, but that is the nature of the sport.

4) And from some of the videos, sprint car have been doin' a lot of bang/rubbing lately and every racers holds a grudge and waits for the day to pay back. Brad just got payed back. I think both want to calm it down now.

Larry "O" and God Bless all Indianopenwheel fans. :8:

If you're talking about my signature picture it's Herk in the Mallard at Indy

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Originally Posted by SamSr32:
Want goes around, comes around. Not just talking about todays race. Brad has a history of wrecking competitors. How about flipping Carl last year, what was done about that. Carl did not expect him to flip, but he wanted a payback that would count. Good going Carl, what happened with NASCAR saying they were going to let the drivers settle it on the track. This is the only way you teach a banger that you can get banged in return. Some of you open wheel guys do not understand the stock car mentality. Out of my 48 years of driving, I drove stock cars for twenty years of that and that was the way you handled things. No arguement, just my honest opinion. Sam Stockon Sr.

I bet these 2 will be careful around each other now---- thus they police themselves .-----Nascar stay out of it ,stick to your word at the biginning of the year:11:

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Alrighty, then !! That ought to take care of it for awhile. If Carl didn't do it, Hamlin or one of probably many others would have dumped his scrawny butt sooner or later. Maybe they'll all get down to the business of racing again. :42::

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Yep, Gary, you are absolutely right. Roger Penske wants to have a little talk with Mr. Rousch, Carl and Brad in a private room to discuss the matter. Now, that's got to send chills down your spine...lol! I wouldn't want to go to that meeting...lol! Mainly because it is all about money and sponsors and public opinion. And nobody want to be the butt of any joke or conversations or any opinion associated by the actions of those two men. Too much money is at stake.

I think Carl was surprized how high Brad got and I think Brad did realize
how close to death one could come.

I think they both will be better racers for it. But there are a lot of guys that will feel cheated they didn't get that one last shot at Brad...dang!

Sincerely,


Larry Otani:5:

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Originally Posted by Larryoracing:
1) Racerdog45, what kind of car was that you showed? Was it a Simonize, Indy car or something? Can't remember that car?

2) Bruce Harrison that is a cool shirt. All racing jackets should have that logo/saying on it. That is very cool! Do you sell those shirts/sweaters.

3) I think the incident with Carl today is like when Donnie and Cale threw punches at each other. It might of been a bad thing, but more fans tuned in. Kind of like a soap opera. Dangerous, but that is the nature of the sport.

4) And from some of the videos, sprint car have been doin' a lot of bang/rubbing lately and every racers holds a grudge and waits for the day to pay back. Brad just got payed back. I think both want to calm it down now.

Larry "O" and God Bless all Indianopenwheel fans. :8:

To do something like that is completely stupid. If you have a grudge that is fine but payback someone on track at speed is completely unacceptable, stupid, and should get a lifetime ban. Not only could the driver be hurt or killed but also the fans and if that were to happen in NASCAR on live tv with so many eyeballs watching it would be the end of autoracing in this country. This ain't 1955 anymore. LeMans, Indianapolis and the many many local deaths damn near ended motorsports on a global scale and that was well before the level of interest was ever this high.

Stupidity like this stuff today must be dealt with fast, harsh, and made an example of to ALL racers that this on track grudge paybacks needs to stop.

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on a related note
the w.w.e goes against t.n.a wrassling head to head tonight :2::7:

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I have to totally agree with Mr. Stockon on this one. NASCAR told the drivers that they are to "Police Themselves", so that's what probably what Carl was doing. However, I don't think Atlanta was the best place to do it. Carl did not know that Brad was going to flip, that can't be factored in. My guess is that he simply wanted to spin him and ruin his good day, just like Brad ruined his day. If the air doesn't get under the car, it's not nearly the discussion that it is now, period.

This was nowhere close to the first person that Keslowski has ran into. That plays into the equation a lot, I think. If he had a reputation as a clean driver, I don't think you would have seen retaliation. Brad has had this coming and it probably isn't the last driver that gets Brad. Starting last year, he really started being too aggressive last season and it's carried over this year.

Yes, I think the first wreck was Brad's fault. Carl was running normal line, arcing it in the corner. Brad knew that, but didn't cut him any slack. He drove it in there and wrecked Carl. Brad was nowhere near beside Carl and got into him. I guess we'll see what NASCAR does about it. I think a suspension isn't appropriate. It's NASCAR, so who knows what they'll do. Plus, it'll change week by week!

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I happen to like both drivers in question. And I don't have a huge problem with paybacks. But at a track that fast, the possibility of one getting into the stands is very scary, not only for anyone involved, but for what it would do to racing in general. Racing is a dangerous sport even for the spectators, but I think they could keep this kind of retaliation to a minimum if they would suspend any driver more than a lap down for any contact. If they are more than a lap down, they are usually just cruising for points. If they aren't then they are probably planning a payback. For the few that could actually get their lap back and still be a factor in the race, they shouldn't be a problem since they would need to be clean in order to catch up.

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Originally Posted by john3g:
That is exactly what I did today. I just can't believe that we are the only people that think that enough is enough:15:. Hell you would even have to believe that D.W knows this:14:. Lots of empty seats there. LOTS!! Is this a sign of things to come,taking Bristol out the equation.

Bristol will not be sold out, you can get some very good deals on tickets right now. 10 coworkers used to go every year, they are not going this year. The track has made them some nice offers though. I would say martinsville will be the new track of choice.

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Ahright, this here is the stake Cousin Carl made, he took his fender and runned into the 1/4 panel of another car! If Carl was in a real racecar there would be no fender!

The real mistake was there are 2 short tracks in a row coming up where Carl could have "sent the message" with less risk involved!

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NASCAR is hurting big time in attendance and TV ratings.

Quote from Jeff Gordon in Saturday AP sports article: "NASCAR needs some rivalries to stir it up.

I am sure that Carl got a thorough reaming in the NASCAR trailer.

The incident generated much needed publicity. Heck it has sprint car boards discussing it and they hate NASCAR. :2:

I suspect that the feud will increase ticket sales and TV ratings.

What I don't know is NASCAR management's true feelings on this new "rivalry".

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After watching the video on yahoo, I think Nascar has a problem that needs to be looked at. They showed video of the crash yesterday and of Edwards' crash last year. In both cases the "roof flaps" opened which should have settled the car back down when the car was going backwards. Instead, both cars continued to lift. Edwards' car got some help, but it was rising as it was hit by the other car. I'm wondering if the lift generated by the rear wing going backwards completely counteracted the roof flaps disrupting air flow to keep the car from flying. The cars both seemed to react like they did before the roof flaps were developed.

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That was the most I'd watched of a NASCAR race in a while. Guess I wanted to see if Kahne could pull of another win at Atlanta or if Montoya could make a charge and win, but wanted to see one of them win over Busch.

I can unserstand Carl being upset and he showed good composure in his interview with Bergeren. I'm sure he didn't mean to flip him. Maybe he should have just waited for Bristol in two weeks. And yes ditch the white gloves if your going to do that stuff.:3:

Many say NASCAR died when Dale died. Maybe so but they started going down hill when they decided to get rid or cut races from their good old tracks. Darlington needs a second race again and Rockingham hosted prolly the best races of the year before they dumped it. :21: all these cookie cutter tracks they race at now!

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Originally Posted by petey:
That was the most I'd watched of a NASCAR race in a while. Guess I wanted to see if Kahne could pull of another win at Atlanta or if Montoya could make a charge and win, but wanted to see one of them win over Busch.

I can unserstand Carl being upset and he showed good composure in his interview with Bergeren. I'm sure he didn't mean to flip him. Maybe he should have just waited for Bristol in two weeks. And yes ditch the white gloves if your going to do that stuff.:3:

Many say NASCAR died when Dale died. Maybe so but they started going down hill when they decided to get rid or cut races from their good old tracks. Darlington needs a second race again and Rockingham hosted prolly the best races of the year before they dumped it. :21: all these cookie cutter tracks they race at now!

Atlanta will probably lose one of their races but unfortunately it will go to Kentucky Speedway, yet another mile and a half cookie cutter model.:15: Bring back Rockingham, North Wilksboro, and add in Iowa while pulling a race from Fontana, Michigan and Loudon.

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Originally Posted by illinisprintfan:
After watching the video on yahoo, I think Nascar has a problem that needs to be looked at. They showed video of the crash yesterday and of Edwards' crash last year. In both cases the "roof flaps" opened which should have settled the car back down when the car was going backwards. Instead, both cars continued to lift. Edwards' car got some help, but it was rising as it was hit by the other car. I'm wondering if the lift generated by the rear wing going backwards completely counteracted the roof flaps disrupting air flow to keep the car from flying. The cars both seemed to react like they did before the roof flaps were developed.

I believe that is one of the reason NASCAR is looking at the spoiler again because of the lift generated by the rear wing.

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Originally Posted by petey:
That was the most I'd watched of a NASCAR race in a while. Guess I wanted to see if Kahne could pull of another win at Atlanta or if Montoya could make a charge and win, but wanted to see one of them win over Busch.

I can unserstand Carl being upset and he showed good composure in his interview with Bergeren. I'm sure he didn't mean to flip him. Maybe he should have just waited for Bristol in two weeks. And yes ditch the white gloves if your going to do that stuff.:3:

Many say NASCAR died when Dale died. Maybe so but they started going down hill when they decided to get rid or cut races from their good old tracks. Darlington needs a second race again and Rockingham hosted prolly the best races of the year before they dumped it. :21: all these cookie cutter tracks they race at now!

NASCAR lost a lot of their old diehard fans when they started catering to the "event goers", raising ticket prices, and of course the prices of lodging keep escalulating. I am sure the economy hasn't help and like you said doing away with the older tracks. There were a lot of empty seats at Atlanta yesterday.

REH

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Originally Posted by Mud Packer:
Atlanta will probably lose one of their races but unfortunately it will go to Kentucky Speedway, yet another mile and a half cookie cutter model.:15: Bring back Rockingham, North Wilksboro, and add in Iowa while pulling a race from Fontana, Michigan and Loudon.

Pocono?? That has to be the most boring track to get 2 summer races. I've never understood that one.

Seeing Scott Speed retaliate on Ricky Stenhouse in the corner on a short track in the final race of the season while they started the race running 1st and 2nd in points made sense to me.

Seeing Edwards take out Keselowski on the front stretch of a speedway the 4th race in out of 36 in the season is just a little too much. He's a little to wholesome for me. Seems to be a hot head and loses it every couple of months over something.

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Has anyone noticed that Edwards seems to have a bit of a problem with anger management? I can think of instances with Earnhardt Jr., Harvick, and even his own teammate Kenseth. That sunny, folksy exterior seems to have a flip side. Retaliation on a short track like Martinsville is one thing, but at 180 mph it's quite another.

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Nobody mentioned an actual yellow to bunch them back up for a green white checker....instead of the DEBRIS YELLOW. They know we are on to their fake racing, so Edwards got chose to be the heel this week. WWE?

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Getting even should not be done on the track. At 190 0r 150 you got to remember that there 41 other guys trying to win and to get even during the race can take out more then the two trying to get even. And on a short track such as Bristol or Martinville can take out half of the field. Get even in the garage after the race.


Wally