silvercrown vs. gold crown?
 

Was trying to stay out of this war but had to point something that i noticed.......... Having heard about the usac silvercrown cars for years i had never had the chance to watch them until i got to help on a usac team owned by some friends of mine........I was very impressed with all the usac drivers and watched how hard they raced for every position........wether it was between 1st or 2cd or between 20th and 21st didn`t matter!!....... thay ran just as hard........now along come the goldcrown deal and all the hype that that`s what usac drivers need to get into nascar....more long track hi-speed experience.......Now my point! ........These names stand out to me Jeff Gordon,Tony Stewart,Ryan Newman,Dave Blaney,Yeley,Leffler,Kahne,Edwards,Schrader,Kurt and Kyle Busch.
I`m sure some of you in here can add many more to this list.........These guys got to Nascar from the USAC silvercrown series!!
Why did USAC need another division?? ........In my opinion USAC should have spent more time and effort with the divisions they had instead of starting the gold series. Sometimes the pie in the sky .........isn`t.

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Originally Posted by grinch:
Was trying to stay out of this war but had to point something that i noticed.......... Having heard about the usac silvercrown cars for years i had never had the chance to watch them until i got to help on a usac team owned by some friends of mine........I was very impressed with all the usac drivers and watched how hard they raced for every position........wether it was between 1st or 2cd or between 20th and 21st didn`t matter!!....... thay ran just as hard........now along come the goldcrown deal and all the hype that that`s what usac drivers need to get into nascar....more long track hi-speed experience.......Now my point! ........These names stand out to me Jeff Gordon,Tony Stewart,Ryan Newman,Dave Blaney,Yeley,Leffler,Kahne,Edwards,Schrader,Kurt and Kyle Busch.
I`m sure some of you in here can add many more to this list.........These guys got to Nascar from the USAC silvercrown series!!
Why did USAC need another division?? ........In my opinion USAC should have spent more time and effort with the divisions they had instead of starting the gold series. Sometimes the pie in the sky .........isn`t.

Personally I don't see why this needs to be a SC vs GC deal or pavement vs dirt. But you are right. Those guys made it to nascar without running on 1.5 and larger superspeedways. So the GC isn't needed to get drivers into Cup racing. The other problem with the GC is the fantasy that it will get drivers into the IRL. The IRL only has openings for drivers with checkbooks. Talent and experience is not required. For a while it appeared that they only booted talented short trackers aside, but when they ran out of short trackers, they started selling the rides of talented road racers too.

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The GoldCrown series was started because the SilverCrown series was and is in trouble(They have lost Richmond,Phoenix,Milwaukie,Gateway,Memphis,Colorad o) The GC cars were built so we could go to larger race tracks which would have added more places we could run(Darlington,Homestead,Chicagoland,Kentucky Speedway,Kansas,) And in time could have added the 2 mile tracks. As of today the Pavement cars are running IRP, Iowa and I think Oswego. I truly hope they get other tracks signed for pavement because 3 races on pavement is not worth owning a car.

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Originally Posted by Lucky161:
Personally I don't see why this needs to be a SC vs GC deal or pavement vs dirt. But you are right. Those guys made it to nascar without running on 1.5 and larger superspeedways. So the GC isn't needed to get drivers into Cup racing. The other problem with the GC is the fantasy that it will get drivers into the IRL. The IRL only has openings for drivers with checkbooks. Talent and experience is not required. For a while it appeared that they only booted talented short trackers aside, but when they ran out of short trackers, they started selling the rides of talented road racers too.

One thing you need to remember is all those guys had at least 1 mile pavement experience and as of now USAC has 0 1 mile pavement tracks.

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Originally Posted by sc96:
The GoldCrown series was started because the SilverCrown series was and is in trouble(They have lost Richmond,Phoenix,Milwaukie,Gateway,Memphis,Colorad o) The GC cars were built so we could go to larger race tracks which would have added more places we could run(Darlington,Homestead,Chicagoland,Kentucky Speedway,Kansas,) And in time could have added the 2 mile tracks. As of today the Pavement cars are running IRP, Iowa and I think Oswego. I truly hope they get other tracks signed for pavement because 3 races on pavement is not worth owning a car.

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One thing you need to remember is all those guys had at least 1 mile pavement experience and as of now USAC has 0 1 mile pavement tracks.

Correction: The Gold Crown series (version 2) was started within the last year to give the owners of these now bastardized cars a place to run them so the $85,000 loss the ensued will be easier to deal with. They were initially called the New Generation Silver Crown cars and forced out the original pavement cars into the now defunct PRA Big Car series.

Now if we go back into the history books we see the Gold Crown seires was tried before and guee what: It was a failure then and it will be a failure once again. This is definately not the right economic conditions to be starting something like this.

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Originally Posted by sc96:
The GoldCrown series was started because the SilverCrown series was and is in trouble(They have lost Richmond,Phoenix,Milwaukie,Gateway,Memphis,Colorad o) The GC cars were built so we could go to larger race tracks which would have added more places we could run(Darlington,Homestead,Chicagoland,Kentucky Speedway,Kansas,) And in time could have added the 2 mile tracks. As of today the Pavement cars are running IRP, Iowa and I think Oswego. I truly hope they get other tracks signed for pavement because 3 races on pavement is not worth owning a car.

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One thing you need to remember is all those guys had at least 1 mile pavement experience and as of now USAC has 0 1 mile pavement tracks.

I thought they just ran SC at PIR. But even so, there were 1 mile paved tracks on the schedule when the GC was conceived.

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Originally Posted by Lucky161:
I thought they just ran SC at PIR. But even so, there were 1 mile paved tracks on the schedule when the GC was conceived.

Yes they did just run phoenix but for 2010 they sc cars are out. When the New Gen Silvercrown cars were first built it was because Bill France had a idea and USAC new they were loosing tracks years before they actualy lost them and USAC new something had to change so the new gen cars came to life when Bill died so did the new gen cars. Now the New Gen cars are now called GoldCrown and is a different series owned by Bruce Ashmore.

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Originally Posted by sc96:
Yes they did just run phoenix but for 2010 they sc cars are out. When the New Gen Silvercrown cars were first built it was because Bill France had a idea and USAC new they were loosing tracks years before they actualy lost them and USAC new something had to change so the new gen cars came to life when Bill died so did the new gen cars. Now the New Gen cars are now called GoldCrown and is a different series owned by Bruce Ashmore.

Funny how the series was in pretty good shape untill they introduced that ugly thing at PRI in Indy, at that point most of the car owners walked away which put the last season of the true silver crown cars in a funk. Now instead of building back what was great BEFORE this pig came along you're pushing it as the savior of the type, sorry, it didn't work once before with the largest and most powerful sanctioning in America backing it fully. Also funny how the NASCAR owners looked to the OLD cars for drivers and didn't even watch the new cars race right before their very eyes.......... But hey, I'm sure Pablo Ribero or whatever his name is will be happy to pony up again! AS for me, and most on this board, we'll be at the dirt miles and Eldora, and let's hope IRP for the real thing. Sorry you bought into this deal the first time, but you know the old saying, fool me once............. good luck, you're going to need it, IF this deal even happens.....

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I remember running 3 shows all year for a while, but never quit the cars. The count of events rose to 10 to 12 a year , and then the new pos comes out. There goes everything.

USAC turned it's back on the champ cars for the ugly sob's, and damn near lost everything. I know there were some problems with the PRA, but because of the PRA, USAC has champ cars. If USAC had played it smart, which is asking for alot, they could have had both, if things continue the way they are, they'll end up with nothing.

They need to market what they have, which they haven't been able to do since Bill Hill left the midwest eons ago. It is as if they are looking for ways to fail, not succeed.A little old time hucksterism would go a long way. Tony Barhorst is the perfect example. An old time type of promoter who makes it work.

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racerdog45: The picture you have in your signature line brings back great memories for me!

I know different drivers were in those cars through the years...but it is probably Rich Vogler in the Elder 55, and Tom Bigelow in the Armstrong 43....both of them were INDY veterans......long before the abortionized versions of the Champ Cars.


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INDY used to be the ultimate goal for open wheel drivers in this country. The steps needed to get there have been in place for MANY years......midgets, and then sprint cars at places like Dayton, Salem, and Winchester. Prove yourself there, and you got a shot at INDY....you didn't need to be running a 3rd different kind of car on a 1 mile or 1.5 mile paved track....those tracks were for the INDY cars only.

Dirt tracks of 1 mile were included in the National Driving Championship. Then USAC concieved the Silver Crown/Champ Dirt Car series..basically the start of splitting the dirt cars away from the championship trail...and they started to cut their own throats.

USAC started the huge divide between the sprint and midget drivers, and the road to INDY. They cut off the fan base connection, and they cut off the well known driver connection. Now, each May, a huge percentage of drivers are from foreign countries. The US born drivers have very little, to no oval experience, and no dirt experience at all.

The IRL started out as a great idea! Then, the owners stepped on their own wee-wees.....so now it's a foerigner series again.

These funky looking 'Gold Crown' cars are going to do nothing as far as getting the USAC/WoO/ASCoC, etc. drivers to INDY.

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Originally Posted by Need For Speed:
racerdog45: The picture you have in your signature line brings back great memories for me!

I know different drivers were in those cars through the years...but it is probably Rich Vogler in the Elder 55, and Tom Bigelow in the Armstrong 43....both of them were INDY veterans......long before the abortionized versions of the Champ Cars..[/U]

It's Rich in the 55 but I think, may be wrong, that it's Leffler in the 43 and maybe Big was running the #1 car that year, can't remember for sure

Originally Posted by sc96:
Yes they did just run phoenix but for 2010 they sc cars are out. When the New Gen Silvercrown cars were first built it was because Bill France had a idea and USAC new they were loosing tracks years before they actualy lost them and USAC new something had to change so the new gen cars came to life when Bill died so did the new gen cars. Now the New Gen cars are now called GoldCrown and is a different series owned by Bruce Ashmore.

I dont if GoldCrown Series drivers get to NASCAR or not. For me, there just needs to be an open wheel series on mile and 1 1/2 mile tracks for open wheel drivers and obviously the IRL or CART Reborn is not the answer. The dirt miles will always be my favorite; and for those who don't like the Gold Crown series concept or look of the cars, don't go.

22 open wheel cars, sprint and midget guys, racing a places like Chicago
excites me!
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Originally Posted by grinch:
Now my point! ........These names stand out to me Jeff Gordon,Tony Stewart,Ryan Newman,Dave Blaney,Yeley,Leffler,Kahne,Edwards,Schrader,Kurt and Kyle Busch.
These guys got to Nascar from the USAC silvercrown series!!
.......

Actually, some of these guys(I don't recall the busch bros. ever running sc) got to nascar, not from sc, but because they were on real TV every Thurs. night running midgets and sprint cars...... Had usac spent their money getting their drivers back on real TV instead of the new cartoon safety crown jalopies, they would have been 1000% better off. How usac pissed away the Thurs. Night Thunder, I don't know.
If they really wanted to run bumper & fender cars to get their guys to nascar, they should have just resurrected the old USAC stock car series. It was a purty good series and a whole lot better than than the mess they have now.

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Originally Posted by racerdog45:
It's Rich in the 55 but I think, may be wrong, that it's Leffler in the 43 and maybe Big was running the #1 car that year, can't remember for sure

And maybe Jeff Bloom, Dana Carter and Jerry weeks in the other 3 cars? Not sure of the car in the back, Pancho? Salem?
David.

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Originally Posted by Ovalmeister:
And maybe Jeff Bloom, Dana Carter and Jerry weeks in the other 3 cars? Not sure of the car in the back, Pancho? Salem?
David.

Dayton for the track

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Originally Posted by mac miller:
Actually, some of these guys(I don't recall the busch bros. ever running sc) got to nascar, not from sc, but because they were on real TV every Thurs. night running midgets and sprint cars...... Had usac spent their money getting their drivers back on real TV instead of the new cartoon safety crown jalopies, they would have been 1000% better off. How usac pissed away the Thurs. Night Thunder, I don't know.
If they really wanted to run bumper & fender cars to get their guys to nascar, they should have just resurrected the old USAC stock car series. It was a purty good series and a whole lot better than than the mess they have now.

You're exactly right. That was back when all racers watched every kind of racing they could on TV, dirt, pavement, sprints, midgets, late models. ESPN built their network on USAC races and TNN built theirs on stock cars. Someone was asleep at the wheel not getting them replaced when they moved on.

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Stop glossing over the facts.

Fact #1 The silvercrown series was in trouble before the gold crown came along. 1 mile pavement tracks...hell, tracks outside of Indiana no longer wanted them. How come you douches don't want to accept this.
Fact #2 Goldcrown is not a part of USAC
Fact #3 I'm going out on a limb, but the ones that are so negative to Ashmore are around 60, thought that cell phones were dumb, computers were useless and women shoudn't vote.

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Originally Posted by usac14:
Stop glossing over the facts.

Fact #1 The silvercrown series was in trouble before the gold crown came along. 1 mile pavement tracks...hell, tracks outside of Indiana no longer wanted them. How come you douches don't want to accept this.
Fact #2 Goldcrown is not a part of USAC
Fact #3 I'm going out on a limb, but the ones that are so negative to Ashmore are around 60, thought that cell phones were dumb, computers were useless and women shoudn't vote.

Fact #1.The series was doing fine UNTILL they announced the new car then it went downhill that last year before the new car came in.

Fact#2 We realize that USAC dumped it because it was a lost cuase, we realize that NASCAR dropped support because it was a lost cause, why don't YOU realize it's a lost cause and let it die?

Fact#3 the fact is you need to remove head from rear, I am 46 and I used to install highspeed satellite internet, also C-band, KU Band and digital systems for over 20 years, Residential and business apps.

Fact #4 I don't think YOU should vote or voice your comments untill you can do so without calling people names that fit the description of what you view in the mirror.......

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Originally Posted by racerdog45:
Fact #1.The series was doing fine UNTILL they announced the new car then it went downhill that last year before the new car came in.

Fact#2 We realize that USAC dumped it because it was a lost cuase, we realize that NASCAR dropped support because it was a lost cause, why don't YOU realize it's a lost cause and let it die?

Fact#3 the fact is you need to remove head from rear, I am 46 and I used to install highspeed satellite internet, also C-band, KU Band and digital systems for over 20 years, Residential and business apps.

Fact #4 I don't think YOU should vote or voice your comments untill you can do so without calling people names that fit the description of what you view in the mirror.......

I was in the meetings with other owners when the New Gen cars were being talked about and the ONE POINT that kept coming up was a change had to be made if we wanted to keep running because the meat and potatoes tracks of Silvercrown were going away.Meaning the 1 mile paved ovals. So now hear we are no 1 mile paved tracks for 2010 as of today. Lets see where it goes from here.

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Originally Posted by usac14:
Stop glossing over the facts.

Fact #1 The silvercrown series was in trouble before the gold crown came along. 1 mile pavement tracks...hell, tracks outside of Indiana no longer wanted them. How come you douches don't want to accept this.
Fact #2 Goldcrown is not a part of USAC
Fact #3 I'm going out on a limb, but the ones that are so negative to Ashmore are around 60, thought that cell phones were dumb, computers were useless and women shoudn't vote.

1- You calling people 'douches'.....= you being a :11;

2- Then why do these 'new' cars look so damn much like the USAC version of the ******** mobile?

3- I'm 37, people writing letters (AKA 'texting') on a cell phone is dumb, sometimes a computer is useless, and there is a hell of a lot of people that shouldn't vote.

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Lets see, I am a 20 year old Computer Technician in the Marine Corps who is a text monster.... I still think these cars are useless and are going to take away from the Silver Crown side, even if they aren't USAC sanctioned... they are an abomonation, and well lets see, i remember a time about 10 years ago, well after the divide that there were 40 to 50 cars showing up to just about eery event on the sched... even into the early part of the decade you had 40 plus showing up everywhere then the New Gen car comes and tears everything up... Yes they lost CalExpo, but had replaced it with Knoxville, Phoenix was still going strong, guys like Donny Schatz takin the wing off and climbin into a SC car on the pavement and stuff.... USAC is gonna have to pony up and fix the Silver Crown cars.... it may take a few years of taking it on the chin but in the end they will come back cars and fans, and it will grow....

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Originally Posted by dirtywhiteboy:
Correction: The Gold Crown series (version 2) was started within the last year to give the owners of these now bastardized cars a place to run them so the $85,000 loss the ensued will be easier to deal with. They were initially called the New Generation Silver Crown cars and forced out the original pavement cars into the now defunct PRA Big Car series.

Now if we go back into the history books we see the Gold Crown seires was tried before and guee what: It was a failure then and it will be a failure once again. This is definately not the right economic conditions to be starting something like this.

You have no idea what you're talking about and each post you make on this matter only serves to further your public ignorance.

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Originally Posted by USAC Fan:
You have no idea what you're talking about and each post you make on this matter only serves to further your public ignorance.

The post facts that prove me wrong or stop stalking me. Trust me I ove having fans, but stalkers are completely different.

Wasn't there a division in USAC called the Gold Crown cars years ago? Yes or No

Weren't these cars (now referred to as Gold Crown cars) once referred to as the New Generation Silver Crown cars? Yes or No

Didn't these New Generations Silver Crown cars replace the original pavement Silver Crown cars on the Silver Crown schedule? Yes or No

Weren'tt the original pavement Silver Crown cars brought into the organization known as the PRA Big Car series? Yes or No

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The people who are ignorantly arguing with usac14 and sc96 should really do their research.

If ANYBODY knows the facts of the Gold Crown vs. Silver Crown situation, those two men would.

And FWIW, usac14 STILL supports the Silver Crown series, so when you bash him, you're bashing someone who supports your precious, antiquated, obsolete race car.

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Originally Posted by USAC Fan:
The people who are ignorantly arguing with usac14 and sc96 should really do their research.

If ANYBODY knows the facts of the Gold Crown vs. Silver Crown situation, those two men would.

And FWIW, usac14 STILL supports the Silver Crown series, so when you bash him, you're bashing someone who supports your precious, antiquated, obsolete race car.

WOW, for being a self described "USAC fan" you sure aren't very supportive.

Oh yeah, that was a horrible deflection of my post right above you. Can't find within yourself to answer the questions because you know that I am right and it just KILLS OU to have to admit you are wrong? :3:

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Originally Posted by Need For Speed:
1- You calling people 'douches'.....= you being a :11;

2- Then why do these 'new' cars look so damn much like the USAC version of the ******** mobile?

3- I'm 37, people writing letters (AKA 'texting') on a cell phone is dumb, sometimes a computer is useless, and there is a hell of a lot of people that shouldn't vote.

Answer to #2 The Division was taken over by Bruce Ashmore and he renamed them the GoldCrown. USAC does not control GoldCrown series.

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Originally Posted by dirtywhiteboy:
WOW, for being a self described "USAC fan" you sure aren't very supportive.

Oh yeah, that was a horrible deflection of my post right above you. Can't find within yourself to answer the questions because you know that I am right and it just KILLS OU to have to admit you are wrong? :3:

Why cant someone be supportive of USAC and still want to see the GoldCrown series be successful.The Goldcrown series is not trying to compete against USAC or any other division.

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Originally Posted by sc96:
Why cant someone be supportive of USAC and still want to see the GoldCrown series be successful.The Goldcrown series is not trying to compete against USAC or any other division.

Well sc96, you never fail to amaze me. If you had actually read my original post I highlighted the statement he made that I replied to as being unsupportive. Me being the nice guy I am I will post that statement he made so you can see what I am talking about:

precious, antiquated, obsolete race car.

Now, how is that supportive of USAC?

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Originally Posted by sc96:
Answer to #2 The Division was taken over by Bruce Ashmore and he renamed them the GoldCrown. USAC does not control GoldCrown series.

So, in plain English, "The Division" that "was taken over by Bruce Ashmore and he renamed" "GoldCrown"....is the same sh1t nobody liked, in a different wrapper.

Seems the only difference you people want to argue about is 'Well, USAC don't have control of this division'.....



What is the 'lovers' of the ******** mobile's goals?

Do you think it is going to get American, oval track, open wheel drivers back to INDY where they belong?

Do you just absolutely hate the "antiquated, obsolete car"?

Are these fugly looking things the answer to the sprint and midget car counts, at places like Winchester and Salem too.... The pavement races of those series are struggling, maybe they should junk their cars, and make their own version of the ******** mobile?

Then when it flops, some guy with deep pockets could rename the same cars and say he's not associated with USAC, and then 'everything will be all better' :10:

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Originally Posted by USAC Fan:
The people who are ignorantly arguing with usac14 and sc96 should really do their research.

If ANYBODY knows the facts of the Gold Crown vs. Silver Crown situation, those two men would.

And FWIW, usac14 STILL supports the Silver Crown series, so when you bash him, you're bashing someone who supports your precious, antiquated, obsolete race car.

You would think so. However, sc96 instead of answering some questions that he should be able to answer easily, chose not to disclose his role as a builder. That hurts his credibility. Now if he can't or won't explain why this car that looks very much like a $25K sprint car cost over 3 times that much to interested parties on this forum, what are his chances of selling a customer?

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[QUOTE=Lucky161;147545]You would think so. However, sc96 instead of answering some questions that he should be able to answer easily, chose not to disclose his role as a builder. That hurts his credibility. Now if he can't or won't explain why this car that looks very much like a $25K sprint car cost over 3 times that much to interested parties on this forum, what are his chances of selling a customer?[/QU You are probably the only one on here that didn't know I took over the Goldcrown cars that were previously STEALTH now called ROCK CHASSIS. IF you take the time to really look at the GC car and compare them to a sprint car you can see the differences are major. Our cars are priced a little different than the ASHMORE cars anyone who is wanting a quote on a car please send me a email and I will get it to you. rodneyweesner96@yahoo.com Also you need to look at the pricing compared to a Silvercrown car and not a sprint car Ido believe a beast sc car is around 40k so for starters lets compare apples to apples.

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Originally Posted by Need For Speed:
So, in plain English, "The Division" that "was taken over by Bruce Ashmore and he renamed" "GoldCrown"....is the same sh1t nobody liked, in a different wrapper.

Seems the only difference you people want to argue about is 'Well, USAC don't have control of this division'.....



What is the 'lovers' of the ******** mobile's goals?

Do you think it is going to get American, oval track, open wheel drivers back to INDY where they belong?

Do you just absolutely hate the "antiquated, obsolete car"?

Are these fugly looking things the answer to the sprint and midget car counts, at places like Winchester and Salem too.... The pavement races of those series are struggling, maybe they should junk their cars, and make their own version of the ******** mobile?

Then when it flops, some guy with deep pockets could rename the same cars and say he's not associated with USAC, and then 'everything will be all better' :10:

Yes the GC car will get drivers closer to INDY without a doubt. NO I dont hate the SC cars I own one and they are a blast to drive are they antiquated compared to a GC car YES VERY MUCH SO. The SC cars need to keep on moving forward but loosing 1 mile paved ovals is not moving forward.The GC cars have the ability to run INDY its where the GoldCrown cars need to be.

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Originally Posted by dirtywhiteboy:
Well sc96, you never fail to amaze me. If you had actually read my original post I highlighted the statement he made that I replied to as being unsupportive. Me being the nice guy I am I will post that statement he made so you can see what I am talking about:

precious, antiquated, obsolete race car.

Now, how is that supportive of USAC?

Yes the Silvercrown cars are precious. Yes they are antiquated.Yes they are obsolete. But I dont see that as unsupportive the SC cars will be around until the traditionalist retire sadly sooner than later. I am HONERED that I was able to AMAZE you.

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Originally Posted by sc96:

Yes the Silvercrown cars are precious. Yes they are antiquated.Yes they are obsolete. But I dont see that as unsupportive the SC cars will be around until the traditionalist retire sadly sooner than later. I am HONERED that I was able to AMAZE you.

LMFAO, this is going to be beyond comical if it continues. You only view it as not unsupportive because if you did it would hamper your agenda that is pretty OBVIOUS.

Sorry but that is an unsupportive statement.

I'll be amazed once you start looking at things through clear glasses instead of the myopic view you have.

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[QUOTE=sc96;147576]

Originally Posted by Lucky161:
You would think so. However, sc96 instead of answering some questions that he should be able to answer easily, chose not to disclose his role as a builder. That hurts his credibility. Now if he can't or won't explain why this car that looks very much like a $25K sprint car cost over 3 times that much to interested parties on this forum, what are his chances of selling a customer?[/QU You are probably the only one on here that didn't know I took over the Goldcrown cars that were previously STEALTH now called ROCK CHASSIS. IF you take the time to really look at the GC car and compare them to a sprint car you can see the differences are major. Our cars are priced a little different than the ASHMORE cars anyone who is wanting a quote on a car please send me a email and I will get it to you. rodneyweesner96@yahoo.com Also you need to look at the pricing compared to a Silvercrown car and not a sprint car Ido believe a beast sc car is around 40k so for starters lets compare apples to apples.

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Yes the GC car will get drivers closer to INDY without a doubt. NO I dont hate the SC cars I own one and they are a blast to drive are they antiquated compared to a GC car YES VERY MUCH SO. The SC cars need to keep on moving forward but loosing 1 mile paved ovals is not moving forward.The GC cars have the ability to run INDY its where the GoldCrown cars need to be.

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Yes the Silvercrown cars are precious. Yes they are antiquated.Yes they are obsolete. But I dont see that as unsupportive the SC cars will be around until the traditionalist retire sadly sooner than later. I am HONERED that I was able to AMAZE you.

Ok, I'm all for comparing apples to apples. I've got plenty of time to look at almost anything. What I don't have is anything but pictures that DO posted to compare with and those pictures looked very similar to a sprint car. Major differences? Ok, what are they? That's what I asked. True I did ask DO because he is the one that posted the pictures, but that's not really his job. He doesn't sell them or build them or own them. You do though. Feel free to step up and educate me/us whenever you would like to. Don't wait for the question to be addressed to you personally. Your cars are priced a little differently than Ashmore's? What's a little different? Is it close to what Ashmore's cars are priced at or is it close to what a new Beast SC will cost? Beast has a pretty good track record that can be verified. How about yours? Since this series is expected to run for smaller purses than SC, I don't see how you can justify a car that costs twice as much as an SC car, but you are welcome to try.

I'll say this again. I would like nothing better than to see a viable open wheeled superspeedway series and would strongly support it. I just don't think this car will do that as it's being sold. It keeps almost all of the failures of the original GC car, the main one being very over priced.

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[QUOTE=Lucky161;147585]

Originally Posted by sc96:

Ok, I'm all for comparing apples to apples. I've got plenty of time to look at almost anything. What I don't have is anything but pictures that DO posted to compare with and those pictures looked very similar to a sprint car. Major differences? Ok, what are they? That's what I asked. True I did ask DO because he is the one that posted the pictures, but that's not really his job. He doesn't sell them or build them or own them. You do though. Feel free to step up and educate me/us whenever you would like to. Don't wait for the question to be addressed to you personally. Your cars are priced a little differently than Ashmore's? What's a little different? Is it close to what Ashmore's cars are priced at or is it close to what a new Beast SC will cost? Beast has a pretty good track record that can be verified. How about yours? Since this series is expected to run for smaller purses than SC, I don't see how you can justify a car that costs twice as much as an SC car, but you are welcome to try.

I'll say this again. I would like nothing better than to see a viable open wheeled super speedway series and would strongly support it. I just don't think this car will do that as it's being sold. It keeps almost all of the failures of the original GC car, the main one being very over priced.

Our cars are priced closer to a SilverCrown car. The main differences in well it is easier to say what is the same as a sc car. The steering gear,break calipers, break rotors,clutch assembly. As for a track record we are new so that has to be built the original designer of the stealth car as well as other key personnel are still involved. The testing that has been done has been very positive. As for purses that I cant answer we are not that far along. Asfor some differences the GC car has a completely different fuel cell it sits directly above the rear end everything that sticks behind the rear axle is crush panel that is a major safety advancement over the silvercrowm. The car is built on a center line meaning 0 offset. Our car is also built with double shear points this will help prevent things like radius rods from being shoved into the driver compartment. The frame is much wider giving the driver more room and keeping him or her away from the wall in a side impact.Everything on the car is bigger and stronger to handle the stress of super speedways. If anyone has any suspecific questions I will answer as best as I can.

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[QUOTE=sc96;147587]

Originally Posted by Lucky161:

Our cars are priced closer to a SilverCrown car. The main differences in well it is easier to say what is the same as a sc car. The steering gear,break calipers, break rotors,clutch assembly. As for a track record we are new so that has to be built the original designer of the stealth car as well as other key personnel are still involved. The testing that has been done has been very positive. As for purses that I cant answer we are not that far along. Asfor some differences the GC car has a completely different fuel cell it sits directly above the rear end everything that sticks behind the rear axle is crush panel that is a major safety advancement over the silvercrowm. The car is built on a center line meaning 0 offset. Our car is also built with double shear points this will help prevent things like radius rods from being shoved into the driver compartment. The frame is much wider giving the driver more room and keeping him or her away from the wall in a side impact.Everything on the car is bigger and stronger to handle the stress of super speedways. If anyone has any suspecific questions I will answer as best as I can.

Ok, so you aren't going to tell us how much this car cost. I don't know how to ask a question that is more specific than that, so I'll move on.

This goal of getting drivers to the IRL and to nascar is not very well thought out. nascar has shown that they will hire drivers almost any kind of racing experience. The IRL on the other hand will only "hire" drivers with money in hand, regardless of their experience and talent. Even Tony George does not hire oval track drivers with the exception of his stepson. And as for the original IRL "vision" he has come out on record saying that his goal all along was to have a series that was like
CART. So much for the short track/oval track American driver connection. AJ Foyt, a hero to many of us hires foreign road racing ride buyers almost exlusively now.

The owners of the cars in the IRL are road racers. They aren't interested in oval track drivers. They never have been and never will be. The series is dropping oval tracks and adding road races every year. The IRL already has a feeder system that they don't use to hire drivers. It features rear engined formula cars. If they won't hire the drivers from their own feeder series with similar cars to the Indycars why would anyone think they would be interested in hiring drivers of front engined cars? It should not be the goal of this series or any other series to provide drivers for the IRL or nascar.

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Originally Posted by Lucky161:

The owners of the cars in the IRL are road racers. They aren't interested in oval track drivers. They never have been and never will be. The series is dropping oval tracks and adding road races every year. The IRL already has a feeder system that they don't use to hire drivers. It features rear engined formula cars. If they won't hire the drivers from their own feeder series with similar cars to the Indycars why would anyone think they would be interested in hiring drivers of front engined cars? It should not be the goal of this series or any other series to provide drivers for the IRL or nascar.

Thank you Lucky, very well said. And, FWIW, I could not agree more. :6:

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[QUOTE=Lucky161;147659]

Originally Posted by sc96:
The owners of the cars in the IRL are road racers. They aren't interested in oval track drivers. They never have been and never will be. The series is dropping oval tracks and adding road races every year. The IRL already has a feeder system that they don't use to hire drivers. It features rear engined formula cars. If they won't hire the drivers from their own feeder series with similar cars to the Indycars why would anyone think they would be interested in hiring drivers of front engined cars? It should not be the goal of this series or any other series to provide drivers for the IRL or nascar.

Best thing that's come up in all these pages of responses!!

And does anyone else love to see DWB and USAC Fan going at it? I think this may be the first argument on IOW where nobody is cheering for either guy to win...:3:

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[QUOTE=quicktime3;147707]

Originally Posted by Lucky161:

Best thing that's come up in all these pages of responses!!

And does anyone else love to see DWB and USAC Fan going at it? I think this may be the first argument on IOW where nobody is cheering for either guy to win...:3:

LOL, the DWB's minions need not be named to know they exist.

No one is cheering because there is no argument.

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[QUOTE=Lucky161;147659]

Originally Posted by sc96:

Ok, so you aren't going to tell us how much this car cost. I don't know how to ask a question that is more specific than that, so I'll move on.

This goal of getting drivers to the IRL and to nascar is not very well thought out. nascar has shown that they will hire drivers almost any kind of racing experience. The IRL on the other hand will only "hire" drivers with money in hand, regardless of their experience and talent. Even Tony George does not hire oval track drivers with the exception of his stepson. And as for the original IRL "vision" he has come out on record saying that his goal all along was to have a series that was like
CART. So much for the short track/oval track American driver connection. AJ Foyt, a hero to many of us hires foreign road racing ride buyers almost exlusively now.

The owners of the cars in the IRL are road racers. They aren't interested in oval track drivers. They never have been and never will be. The series is dropping oval tracks and adding road races every year. The IRL already has a feeder system that they don't use to hire drivers. It features rear engined formula cars. If they won't hire the drivers from their own feeder series with similar cars to the Indycars why would anyone think they would be interested in hiring drivers of front engined cars? It should not be the goal of this series or any other series to provide drivers for the IRL or nascar.

Exact cost depends on what you want. You can spend around 50k or as muck as 90k depends on how you want to package a car. But you could be in a GC car ready for your motor at 50k. AS for a feeder series to IRL or NASCAR Bruce is more able to answer that I for one would be happy to see the GC cars as a series that puts sprint and midget guys on larger tracks in front of NASCAR size crowds. Then as time goes see this series be a destination and not so much a feeder to any other series but only time will tell that.

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[QUOTE=sc96;147740]

Originally Posted by Lucky161:

Exact cost depends on what you want. You can spend around 50k or as muck as 90k depends on how you want to package a car. But you could be in a GC car ready for your motor at 50k. AS for a feeder series to IRL or NASCAR Bruce is more able to answer that I for one would be happy to see the GC cars as a series that puts sprint and midget guys on larger tracks in front of NASCAR size crowds. Then as time goes see this series be a destination and not so much a feeder to any other series but only time will tell that.

I don't care if it becomes a feeder series or not. I'm just looking for the day when I go to Terre Haute on Friday night and see 40 USAC sprint cars, then down to DuQuoin on Saturday Night to see about 40 of those same guys in USAC Silver Crown cars, then on to a Kentucky or Chicago the following day for a one day show of about 25 of those same guys in the new Gold Crown cars. They could qualify and race the same day, maybe packaged with ARCA? I would go to that.

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Anyone that thinks these 'Gold Crown' cars are ever going to run at The Speedway, or that any oval track/dirt track drivers are going to get to The Speedway because they drove these 'Gold Crown' cars :14:......needs their head examined! :10:

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[QUOTE=miledirt;147742]

Originally Posted by sc96:

I don't care if it becomes a feeder series or not. I'm just looking for the day when I go to Terre Haute on Friday night and see 40 USAC sprint cars, then down to DuQuoin on Saturday Night to see about 40 of those same guys in USAC Silver Crown cars, then on to a Kentucky or Chicago the following day for a one day show of about 25 of those same guys in the new Gold Crown cars. They could qualify and race the same day, maybe packaged with ARCA? I would go to that.

I'd be ok with all of that except the 25 of the GC on a superspeedway. I expect them to start at least 30 and preferably 40 on a superspeedway. I can see 20-25 cars at the local 1/4 mile.