Pir last night
 

Who paid the purse? Somebody lost there as$$$$$!:7: Maybe 1000 there in the stands!

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who cares????????

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Probably the Promoter.

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Thanks Duke.

You always keep it positive! :33::11;:7:

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superdud was you there ?

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Originally Posted by usac fan:
thanks duke.

You always keep it positive! :33::11;:7:

there nothing to be positive about it! If pir does not care to promote the race then why do it? I talked to alot of people in the phoenix area and nothing in any newspapers radio and tv about this race all week! You can't go out there for one race and win it and break even! Ask johnnny vance! If you think thats a good crowd your nuts:10: I've been part of usac since 1964 i know when it was great and now nobody in media gives a damm about usac!:26:

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Originally Posted by mowerman:
superdud was you there ?

yes you should have seen me if you where there i was in the first turn! With all my friends!:8::3::5:

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Originally Posted by SUPERDUKE:
there nothing to be positive about it! If pir does not care to promote the race then why do it? I talked to alot of people in the phonix area and nothing in any newspapers radio and tv about this race all week! You can't go out there for one race and win it and break even! Ask johnnny vance! If you think thats a good crowd your nuts:10: I've been part of usac since 1964 i know when it was great and now nobody in media gives a damm about usac!:26:

We know, Duke. You remind us every day: Woo sucks, no one cares about USAC, nascars boring. Let's just pack it in and race with our matchbox cars on the carpet like when we were kids.

Can we report a member for PM harassment?

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"who cares???????? "

The racers who hope to return next year to race again should care if a promoter makes money.

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[QUOTE=USAC Fan;145208]We know, Duke. You remind us every day: Woo sucks, no one cares about USAC, nascars boring. Let's just pack it in and race with our matchbox cars on the carpet like when we were kids.

Can we report a member for PM harassment?[/QUOTE
ITS NOT MY FAULT! I TOLD USAC FOR YEARS WHEN THEY WHERE WRONG! LIKE TAKING THE DIRT CARS OUT OF THE CHAMPIONSHIP TRAIL AND STOPING THE REAR ENGINE SPRINT CARS! A PLACE WHERE GUYS COULD READY THEMSELFS FOR INDY! WINGED SPRINTS GOING TO 410 CI ENGINES TRYING TO FOLLOW TED JOHNSON AND LETTING THE COST OF OPEN WHEEL RACING GET SO FAR OUT OF HAND! ONE THING IS FOR SURE WHEN IT COMES TO USAC THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT THERE HISTORY! AND I THINK YOUR STILL PLAYING WITH YOUR MATCHBOX CARS CAUSE YOU LOST YOUR MARBELS!:26::15::14:

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Educate me.

A team traveling from Indy to race in Phoenix. What would it cost the team to make the trip and race, and what exactly are they racing for? What does it pay? I am trying to figure out how anybody makes the trip and doesn't lose? 20-25 car fields can't pay that much, or can it???

Seriously.

Originally Posted by Race Poor:
Educate me.

A team traveling from Indy to race in Phoenix. What would it cost the team to make the trip and race, and what exactly are they racing for? What does it pay? I am trying to figure out how anybody makes the trip and doesn't lose? 20-25 car fields can't pay that much, or can it???

Seriously.

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Duke is right, USAC does suck. 40 years ago they were the most powerful organization in motorsports. One boneheaded move after another and now nobody outside the state of Indiana knows or cares who they are.

Originally Posted by Race Poor:
Educate me.

A team traveling from Indy to race in Phoenix. What would it cost the team to make the trip and race, and what exactly are they racing for? What does it pay? I am trying to figure out how anybody makes the trip and doesn't lose? 20-25 car fields can't pay that much, or can it???

Seriously.

I would say that of all the cars there last night it wasn't about what the race paid..
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Originally Posted by grinch:
who cares????????

Apparently not some putz from MA

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NASCAR probably paid part of the purse.

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watched the truck race tonight(Friday) and the stands looked like a bomb had went off, was deserted on the main straight.....I know from having went to bristol for the night race with my dad and some friends it's just too damn expensive to go to a NASCAR race anymore, we went in a friends motorhome, stayed about 1/2 mile from the track and my share (me and dad) with tickets (which were $350 which was less than the person I bought them from paid) was $650 and that doesn't count what we spent at the track as far as t-sirts and stuff, we did carry in coolers which saved a bunch but basically you're looking huge bucks for little bang and people are not paying it anymore AND they're not staying home watching either PLUS sponsors are drying up because unless you're a huge company who has the money and it all trickles down thru the ranks....

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Originally Posted by Race Poor:
Educate me.

A team traveling from Indy to race in Phoenix. What would it cost the team to make the trip and race, and what exactly are they racing for? What does it pay? I am trying to figure out how anybody makes the trip and doesn't lose? 20-25 car fields can't pay that much, or can it???

Seriously.

That race will cost a team 10k by the time you get back home.You would need to win to come close to making anything.

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The U.S. Auto Club's Silver Crown and midget cars will not return to Phoenix International Raceway next season, The Republic has learned. PIR is expected to announce today that the Camping World West series season finale will replace USAC on Thursday night of next fall's NASCAR weekend.

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Originally Posted by race poor:
educate me.

A team traveling from indy to race in phoenix. What would it cost the team to make the trip and race, and what exactly are they racing for? What does it pay? I am trying to figure out how anybody makes the trip and doesn't lose? 20-25 car fields can't pay that much, or can it???

Seriously.

only pays $ 9000 to win! Give 40% to the driver buy tires & fuel pit pass's entry fee food motel gas going 4000 miles is a loser:11;:10:

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Originally Posted by 98arpy:
The U.S. Auto Club's Silver Crown and midget cars will not return to Phoenix International Raceway next season, The Republic has learned. PIR is expected to announce today that the Camping World West series season finale will replace USAC on Thursday night of next fall's NASCAR weekend.

Manzy & PIR both gone in the same season. Sux for AZ!

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Does anyone really, truly know what the payout was for this event? If so let me hear it, it seems no one wants to make it public, and if they did, I missed it.

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Originally Posted by SUPERDUKE:
there nothing to be positive about it! If pir does not care to promote the race then why do it? I talked to alot of people in the phoenix area and nothing in any newspapers radio and tv about this race all week! You can't go out there for one race and win it and break even! Ask johnnny vance! If you think thats a good crowd your nuts:10: I've been part of usac since 1964 i know when it was great and now nobody in media gives a damm about usac!:26:

Johnny could care less whether or not he makes money, its just fun for him. He just wants to win!

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Originally Posted by 98arpy:
The U.S. Auto Club's Silver Crown and midget cars will not return to Phoenix International Raceway next season, The Republic has learned. PIR is expected to announce today that the Camping World West series season finale will replace USAC on Thursday night of next fall's NASCAR weekend.

They are talking about moving it to January 2011.

PIR and USAC are talking about resuming the Copper World Classic as a stand-alone weekend in January 2011. Non-USAC series also might be involved.

"We've had preliminary discussions with USAC about helping us revive the traditional Copper World," PIR President Bryan Sperber said. "We're also working to add other series to the mix. We're being very cautious because the undoing of the original Copper World was economics had put that event in an upside-down situation. Some pretty big names in motorsports are interested in helping us do this."

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Originally Posted by grinch:
who cares????????

idiot

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The pavement SC series is loosing 2 pavement races in oneyear I think the this creates a problem for usac. My guess is they will become a dirt only series in the near future.

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Originally Posted by Hclarke:
They are talking about moving it to January 2011.

PIR and USAC are talking about resuming the Copper World Classic as a stand-alone weekend in January 2011. Non-USAC series also might be involved.

"We've had preliminary discussions with USAC about helping us revive the traditional Copper World," PIR President Bryan Sperber said. "We're also working to add other series to the mix. We're being very cautious because the undoing of the original Copper World was economics had put that event in an upside-down situation. Some pretty big names in motorsports are interested in helping us do this."

What they are saying is usac is not going to be back unless someone brings us 2 dump trucks full of money.

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Originally Posted by 98arpy:
The U.S. Auto Club's Silver Crown and midget cars will not return to Phoenix International Raceway next season, The Republic has learned. PIR is expected to announce today that the Camping World West series season finale will replace USAC on Thursday night of next fall's NASCAR weekend.

This is what I feared and one of the reasons I have been anxious to see USAC's 2010 schedule. It has been a pet peeve of mine for years that USAC doesn't do enough to promote or advertise there races. An I am not just talking about in Phoenix, I am talking about anywhere I have traveled with them. The one exception was all of the hype USAC's return to Oswego Speedway got, the hype started over the winter and continued up until the race. Maybe USAC needs to hire the company that promoted that race for Kasey Kahne. I could be wrong but in these tough economical times you can not only depend on your loyal fan base to support your races, you have to do all you can to attract new fans as well. That is just my two cents worth.

Could there possibly be another half to this announcement and USAC is returning to Phoenix with the IRL? That would fulfill the dreams of this open wheel girl. If not that means pavement open wheel racing will be gone from Phoenix and that is sad.

Patti

---------- Post added at 01:14 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:58 PM ----------

Originally Posted by Hclarke:
They are talking about moving it to January 2011.

PIR and USAC are talking about resuming the Copper World Classic as a stand-alone weekend in January 2011. Non-USAC series also might be involved.

"We've had preliminary discussions with USAC about helping us revive the traditional Copper World," PIR President Bryan Sperber said. "We're also working to add other series to the mix. We're being very cautious because the undoing of the original Copper World was economics had put that event in an upside-down situation. Some pretty big names in motorsports are interested in helping us do this."

Mr Clarke, I didn't see your post before my original post, I can only hope the traditional Copper World is back in Phoenix by 2011.

Patti

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WHAT A SHAME !!!! There were two good races for the fans to see out west and a great way to promote USAC and there drivers and no one knew the race was happing !!! This is not the first time that USAC has ran there in November, you would think after 15 years of going there that someone at USAC would know someone at the local paper or the local Tv to get the story out. Now that you had a great race and you have it on tape what are you going to do with it (place it on the shelf) get that thing out to other race tracks and promoters to show what kind of package you have to sell. ITs called marketing 101 !!!!

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Originally Posted by Race Poor:
Does anyone really, truly know what the payout was for this event? If so let me hear it, it seems no one wants to make it public, and if they did, I missed it.

The entry form has been on USAC's website with full payout for at least amonth.

Maybe if you tried look, you would have found it. :15:

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Midget race paid $10,000 to win, $650 to start.
http://www.usacracing.com/assets/fil...gets111209.pdf

Silver Crown race paid $18,000 to win, $1,300 to start.
http://www.usacracing.com/assets/fil...rown111209.pdf

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Originally Posted by Race Poor:
Does anyone really, truly know what the payout was for this event? If so let me hear it, it seems no one wants to make it public, and if they did, I missed it.

For the time being, we can still access the entry forms for the PIR event.

http://www.usacracing.com/assets/fil...gets111209.pdf

http://www.usacracing.com/assets/fil...rown111209.pdf

Payout is listed on each one along with other pertinent info such as champion appearance, etc.

10K to win in midget, 18k to win in SC.


Oops. I didn't see the previous post. Sorry.

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Thanks quicktime and honest sam for answering my question with some good information. USAC fan, if you are trying to promote USAC as your name says, then maybe you should just give the information being sought, instead of having a screen attitude!

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Originally Posted by sprntr:
Manzy & PIR both gone in the same season. Sux for AZ!

Yeah,it sure does! Haven't had the IRL here in years,either.We'll see how the new Western World goes at USA in Tucson next week.And,Thanksgiving weekend is the debut of the Southwest Championships at Canyon,final points race for NMDOTY,along with 360 Sprints and Mini-Sprints,all without wings.

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Originally Posted by SUPERDUKE:
yes you should have seen me if you where there i was in the first turn! With all my friends!:8::3::5:

Friends?? Thats why no-one was there.

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You got a crush on SuperDuke or something?

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I am constantly amazed at the shortsightedness, negative comments, etc. by so-called supporters of racing. So a person asks a question, instead of getting thoughtful, reasoned answers it quickly becomes a pissin' contest about who can come up with the most moronic, ill-conceived, sarcastic retort. Truly depressing. Yes, the internet has surely given us all a deserved open forum, but in some cases it has not improved our ability to reason and problem solve.

This topic could have been one that had the potential as a springboard to ideas about how to fix a problem, instead it becomes just another place for ranting rather than evaluating the situation objectively. Yet, we wonder why we are now a niche in the sport of auto racing that continues to sometimes be its own worst enemy!

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Originally Posted by captrat:
I am constantly amazed at the shortsightedness, negative comments, etc. by so-called supporters of racing. So a person asks a question, instead of getting thoughtful, reasoned answers it quickly becomes a pissin' contest about who can come up with the most moronic, ill-conceived, sarcastic retort. Truly depressing. Yes, the internet has surely given us all a deserved open forum, but in some cases it has not improved our ability to reason and problem solve.

This topic could have been one that had the potential as a springboard to ideas about how to fix a problem, instead it becomes just another place for ranting rather than evaluating the situation objectively. Yet, we wonder why we are now a niche in the sport of auto racing that continues to sometimes be its own worst enemy!

Very well said, Sir:8:

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Originally Posted by Need For Speed:
Apparently not some putz from MA

Actually he may have been at the track. He works with a USAC team! He also was one of the best short track drivers EVER and is in the New England HOF. I guarantee you he cares a lot about USAC. I think his post was probably made in defense of USAC being put down and not a "what ever" I do know that $10,350.00 came back to MA though :8::8::8::8:

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Originally Posted by Bostonian:
Actually he may have been at the track. He works with a USAC team! He also was one of the best short track drivers EVER and is in the New England HOF. I guarantee you he cares a lot about USAC. I think his post was probably made in defense of USAC being put down and not a "what ever" I do know that $10,350.00 came back to MA though :8::8::8::8:

Hmmmmm, interesting. :3:

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Originally Posted by bostonian:
actually he may have been at the track. He works with a usac team! He also was one of the best short track drivers ever and is in the new england hof. I guarantee you he cares a lot about usac. I think his post was probably made in defense of usac being put down and not a "what ever" i do know that $10,350.00 came back to ma though :8::8::8::8:

let me know how much they have when they get back home?:11::17: