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Sandy Lowe 1/6/08 10:03 PM

OT - Useless 2007 USAC Sprint Flip Stats
 
The 2007 USAC Sprint season saw a total of 30 races contested.
• Drivers flipped in 21 of 22 dirt races
• Drivers flipped in 1 of 8 pavement races
There were no flips at Kamp Motor Speedway on July 19th.
The only pavement show that had anyone turn over was April 22nd at Winchester.

There were 78 flips by 49 drivers
• 7 flips - Kevin Swindell
• 6 flips - Robert Ballou
• 5 flips - Ricky Stenhouse
• 3 flips - Darren Hagen, Levi Jones
• 2 flips - Brent Beachuamp, Jeff Bland, Jr., Daron Clayton, Damion Gardner, Garrett Hansen, Kyle Robbins, Neil Shepherd, Danny Sheridan, Jon Stanbrough, Chris Windom
• 1 flip - 34 drivers

Drivers flipped in every event possible. (Drivers in Heats 3 and 4 must have paid attention to the earlier heats as there were substantially fewer flips in the those races.)
• Practice - 7
• Qualifications - 6
• Non Qualifier Race - 1
• Heat 1 - 8
• Heat 2 - 10
• Heat 3 - 3
• Heat 4 - 2
• D Main - 1
• C Main - 3
• B Main - 4
• Semi - 7
• Feature - 26

On two different occasions the feature winner had flipped earlier in the evening.
• Marc Jessup took the win on April 22nd at Winchester after flipping in Heat 1.
• Daron Clayton took the win at Haubstadt on July 21st after flipping in Heat 2.

Of the 22 races that saw drivers turn over 7 of those had 5 or more flips.
• 8 - Lawrenceburg, 4/21
• 7 - Haubstadt, 7/21
• 6 - Eldora, 4/28
• 6 - Kokomo, 7/15
• 6 - Perris, 11/1
• 5 - Gas City, 6/14
• 5 - Gas City, 7/13

Only 2 drivers got upside down twice in one evening and they both did it on the same night (June 14th at Gas City).
• Ricky Stenhouse - Qualifictions & Heat 2
• Robert Ballou - Heat 1 & Semi

Dwight Clock 1/6/08 10:15 PM

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Great info for a winter evening - thanks, Sandy!:applaud::thumb:

kinser 1/6/08 10:24 PM

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I know Marc Jessup flipped at Winchester and if I remember correctly Swindell flipped at Salem also

JordanBlanton 1/6/08 10:33 PM

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Swindell did flip at Salem, but I'm guessing that his flip didn't show up in the race stats, as the official scoring on that race was a rain-out (never restarted after Swindell's flip, if memory serves me)

kinser 1/6/08 10:39 PM

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I think we restarted but only got MAYBE a couple of laps in before the monsoon hit ! LOL Hopefully the next time that USAC knows that there is bad weather in the immediate vicinity they can postpone the midget victory lane interview until the conclusion of the complete program.

mac miller 1/7/08 1:02 AM

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A much more sobering side to this statistic is how many of the current slicing, chopping, slide job specialists would have, even, survived a season back in the "before cage" days when success was achieved by skill and precision driving rather than by how brave you are and how much money daddy has to fix the car, and success meant getting a chance in the INDY 500. I can assure you that the "skills" used by many of the current drivers would have gotten them a punch in the face, or worse, from one the veteran INDY 500 drivers who regularly ran sprint cars "back in the day"

How many times you can flip a car without getting hurt is not really a statistic to gloat about...........

Charles Nungester 1/7/08 5:46 AM

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How is this Off Topic? Seems entirely to me. On Topic :thumb:

I really think part of this is the Cage and fat RR tires but the racings no less exciting. IMHO theres definately a lot more flat footing going on than in the past *Non Winged* I think about 1988 with Leon Thickstun at the helm of the Hoffman car was the first time I seen a non winged car flatfoot the whole LBurg Speedway Non winged the following year Staab did it.

If there used to be a hole in the track and it was in the racing grove, They'd lift, drive through it then power out. Now it seems they either hook it and flip or drive around it.

Chuck, who definately sees a lot more wheels being given if a pass isn't complete

psullivan 1/7/08 7:27 AM

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I think we restarted but only got MAYBE a couple of laps in before the monsoon hit ! LOL Hopefully the next time that USAC knows that there is bad weather in the immediate vicinity they can postpone the midget victory lane interview until the conclusion of the complete program.

The victory lane interview is conducted by a regional radio station that is there each and every Salem event - and thus is a major benefactor to the track - I don't think this can be pinned on USAC - USAC and Salem were covering the weather closely - they did several other things like cancelling the vintage cars from hitting the track - I think this can be written off as unfortunate for all parties concerned -

kinser 1/7/08 8:28 AM

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Back in the 90`s we only had one Steve Butler on the track crashing everyone that dared to try to race him side by side. Today we have a lot more of these types. Kids who don`t respect their equipment or the people they race against. I think what we need now is another A.J. Foyt or Sheldon Kinser, someone who isn`t afraid to let a punch fly after getting crashed.

Seadog 1/7/08 9:05 AM

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Does anybody have injury statistics for the '07 year? Just by my recollection, it seemed like one of the safest in recent memory.:thumb::thumb::thumb::applaud:

Pat O'Connor Fan 1/7/08 9:59 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mac miller (Post 23654)
A much more sobering side to this statistic is how many of the current slicing, chopping, slide job specialists would have, even, survived a season back in the "before cage" days when success was achieved by skill and precision driving rather than by how brave you are and how much money daddy has to fix the car, and success meant getting a chance in the INDY 500. I can assure you that the "skills" used by many of the current drivers would have gotten them a punch in the face, or worse, from one the veteran INDY 500 drivers who regularly ran sprint cars "back in the day"
How many times you can flip a car without getting hurt is not really a statistic to gloat about...........

I totally agree with Mac. Unfortunately, we must live in the present, not the past.
Oh, how I wish I could somehow magically put A. J. or Jack in their prime up against the likes of KS, etc. Some kids would be quickly learning "some manners".:icon_smile_blackeye

Honest-Sam 1/7/08 5:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Seadog (Post 23664)
Does anybody have injury statistics for the '07 year? Just by my recollection, it seemed like one of the safest in recent memory.:thumb::thumb::thumb::applaud:

I think it must have been. I can remember at least two serious neck injuries in '06 without really trying. Pace and Clauson. But, I can't remember one in '07.

Seadog 1/7/08 5:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Honest-Sam (Post 23722)
I think it must have been. I can remember at least two serious neck injuries in '06 without really trying. Pace and Clauson. But, I can't remember one in '07.

Could that be because of the HANS device?

Honest-Sam 1/7/08 5:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Seadog (Post 23727)
Could that be because of the HANS device?


Pace and Clauson both had 'em.

Kirk Spridgeon 1/7/08 5:46 PM

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Seems like broken collar bones went up this year...

Charles Nungester 1/7/08 5:49 PM

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Hines, Boespflug Was Tracy's in 07? Chads wasn't in USAC

Chuck

LocalYokel 1/7/08 6:21 PM

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Hines? That was a loosing battle with a fence post...

Charles Nungester 1/7/08 6:25 PM

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Originally Posted by LocalYokel (Post 23734)
Hines? That was a loosing battle with a fence post...

Sorry, wasn't thinkin. Motorcycle right?

Chuck

ROSS 1/7/08 6:47 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pat O'Connor Fan (Post 23666)
I totally agree with Mac. Unfortunately, we must live in the present, not the past.
Oh, how I wish I could somehow magically put A. J. or Jack in their prime up against the likes of KS, etc. Some kids would be quickly learning "some manners".:icon_smile_blackeye

I think there are couple who would handle things like that today but they know usac or the local promoter will come down on them and cost them points or a shot to win the next few weeks at there track or event because they have been suspended. So I would say don't blame the drivers blame the way society is today with everybody over reacting to not a whole lot.

kinser 1/7/08 9:05 PM

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If the sanctioning body would give the fines and suspensions that they should maybe this problem wouldn`t be getting worse every year. How many remember Brian Tyler`s 10,000.00 fine from USAC for punching Butler at Eldora ? Tyler just walked away from USAC for awhile and then they reduced the fine to 2500.00 ? If memory serves me right that is what he ended up paying. Spridge made a good point about the broken collarbones. I have heard several people say that is inherent with the use of a HANS device.

Onlydirt 1/8/08 12:58 AM

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Does the full containment seat put more pressure on the collar bones?

Seems like every time I popped one on the opposing QB it was a takle that planted him shoulder into the ground and the other into me making his collar bone a wish bone sandwich between me and the ground.
Hope that made sense....

I think the seat smushes them into one side on wrecks at times and may add to the additional pressure. Your collar bone moves up and down as it goes in and out from your center line. With the straps over your shoulders and your shoulders braced in your collar bone doesnt have any where to rotate.

Ithinkit is time for bed...I am way over analyzing this...

mac miller 1/8/08 8:08 AM

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One final note.... This thread comes on the eve of the greatest celebration of flipping of the entire racing season, The annual "Tulsa Flip Fest" indoor midget race, where, it seems, every year they set a new event flip record!:wink1::eek::rolleyes:

Seadog 1/8/08 8:59 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Honest-Sam (Post 23728)
Pace and Clauson both had 'em.

True, but they could have been hurt much worse without them. I've personally heard Bryan say that he believes that the HANS saved his life.

Honest-Sam 1/8/08 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Seadog (Post 23848)
True, but they could have been hurt much worse without them. I've personally heard Bryan say that he believes that the HANS saved his life.

I'd agree. I think both were somewhat "unique" instances, if there is such a thing. No doubt that the HANS been a positive.

throb 1/8/08 12:25 PM

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i for one would take a broken collar bone over a broken neck/death/ or ending up in a wheel chair the rest of my life.....

CTtoPA 1/8/08 12:32 PM

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I thought Daron Clayton went over 3 times:
Grandview
Haubstadt
Perris

Did Perris count towards USAC points?


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