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New 1000cc Series Boast really High Pay Out
There is a new 1000cc upright series in 2008, Bill May promotes the "MIDWEST MINI SPRINT ASSOSIATION" with a scheldule full of $1000.00 to win races this new series seems to be very promising. Engines are to remain stock and will be teched and lead stamped and sealed. This provides for the best competition and lets the true drivers show... If you have any questions contact www.midwestminisprints.com
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Hmm should be interesting watching the mini-sprint numbers get split between the MMSA and the AMSA. Granted the AMSA needs to make some changes but I hate seeing divisions that are already small get made even smaller.
Good thing Logan is moving on up. |
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So in Uprights there are 600's, 1000's and 1200's......seams what is the need for the middle step?
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The 600 c.c. uprights only run at one track weekly in Indiana and are a little more popular in Ohio where they run two or three tracks weekly.
The reason for starting a 1000 c.c. class is due to the fact that there are no 1200 c.c. motors being produced anymore. The new motors are less expensive, readily available and produce more horsepower without requiring expensive modifications. Part of me agrees with Jake, I hate to see this happen, but on the other hand I think if the new series wasn't formed, within two years the "traveling" mini sprints will be gone. They truely are a great stepping stone for open wheel racing and with the new series hopefully the future for them will only be positive!! Kellen Conover |
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Kellen thanks for the info
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Just went to their site and read the rules seem like AMSA rules with a few changed words here and there.ummm
Weight rules may be adjusted. Why? What will the rest of the pay off be and will it depend on the number of cars that show up. In 2009 where or who will sell the sealed motors and how will you know when you buy them? AMSA had races at 3 different tracks with a 4th one cancelling.This year will be the same and yes the most will be at Lawrenceburg where they was always the most turn out of cars. Rules enforced the same for everyone. That didn't always make everyone happy. |
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$$$ Wins everytime.
$1000 to win will bring them in in droves. Hell, our 360 class races for only $1200!!! |
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They said the would adjust the weight if needed so cars won't have to hang a bunch of weight on them,
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This series looks promising. I will pencil in the Sep. 6 date at Montpelier to check them out. Their earlier Montpelier dates all conflict with major/USAC shows.
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I dunno we will just have to give it a try, I never had the money to race competitively with the AMSA, its hard to race against a larger pocket book...not that any racing is cheap, but at least this way it can be a little more fair. Linton and Salem are about the only tracks in Indiana that run the 600cc cars and they run on the same night, I think this series will pull alot of those drivers into moving up to the larger cars. Not to mention I am pretty sure the purses are guaranteed, which will bring the cars...
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You are going to be in for a big suprise when you see who you are running against.
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yes you will be running against mini sprints
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Originally Posted by Bradleyracing86: amsa weighed cars all season and it was seldom the lightest car that won the race, I know weight = horsepower, but if you cant hook up the car it does not matter how light you are. I hope the new group works. More money is good amsa has been running for the same money for as long as I can remember. Jt and the rest of the people who run asma make no money off of a show,they do it for the love of the sport. I just hope that this does not set them back to 14 or 15 cars trying to put on a show. Time will tell. As far as the track size, some of the better racing I ever saw was a Bardstown Ky, High banked 3/8, Allmost looked like the outlaws at Eldora. |
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Dale I have never got around to asking, but do you guys still do wings at all, or did that stop a long time ago?
See ya at poker tonight |
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run them on a 1/5 mile or smaller. Period. 1/4 and up is a terrible show.
Not to offend anyone who enjoys the things but, I simply don't know anyone (personally) that enjoyed them at Lawrenceburg with the exception of a few pure racing fans and those directly involved with a car. Now that the track is going to be even bigger it's going to be worse. I'm really disappointed that Dave scheduled 15 shows with either AMSA or UMRA. I understand that Watson Sand & Gravel "may" have had some influence on the decision to run them fairly regularly last year and in the future. I had heard that from a fairly knowledgeable source, although, it was second hand information. Only Dave knows for sure. Oh well, I'll get over it as long as they're running sprinters and not running more than 3 classes. |
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Dale800 said amsa doesn't make any money? there contracts reads $100 per car over 20 and they get $10 per car entry fee ,there was several nights with 30+ cars where did they xtra money go then ? Did they raise the purse ? last year jt pocketed the rest instead of passing it on to the racers I was told he pocketed $1200 to $ 1500 several nights . I think he needs to make some money but more than the winner,just think about it guys example 20 cars x $10=200 plus 30 cars at lets say $100x30=$3000 so take $3000 + $200 = $3200 and they pay $500 to win were did the rest go ?
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lets hope for the sake of the series, which is a great transition series to sprints, this does not turn out to be like the world of outlaws and nst. I believe that the AMSA loses a certain amount of money from the track if 20 cars dont show up. If there are 35-40 cars in the area and split to two different tracks both series could bomb. If they work on not scheduling on top of each other they could prosper.
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I don't know where you get yor information but AMSA run for a set purse with $50 a car decucted per car if less than 20,nothing extra if more. All money is paid out with the entry fee going toward points payout,banquet and prizes very little is donated. Care to enlighten us as where the rest of the money come from.
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go ahead and post a contract that the track gets and prove me wrong
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Would you care to check the pay out sheet any week,if your a member you are more than welcome to see and bring your pencil so you can add it up.Lets see gas,food,supplies,motel for 2 day shows.Someone is selling you a line of B/S and you are passing it along as truth
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I'm not talking about what they paying out i'm talking about what they are getting paid,sorry if I offened you , I know you help out jt
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I also take care of the contracts again all members are welcome to see.
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I don't want to keep arguing with ya I'm just saying what the word is and that if the amsa is getting paid the same purse for 35 cars as they are with 20 cars somethings wrong. Happy New Year
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Not arguing just stating facts same pay no matter how many cars are there.You owe jt a big I'M SORRY .
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I won't believe it,till I see it sorry
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April 19,2008 Lawrenceburg Join AMSA and you are more than welcome.
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One more thing everyone knows who I am as I post results every week, care to identify yourself and tell us where you got your imformation.
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Originally Posted by racechevy: I will say this Dave Paid more back to Amsa for the races ran with usac when the pit passes cost to get in. Im sure Sombodysmam would love to show you the pay out . I know for a fact that Jerry, Harriet(sombodysmam for you who dont know) , Maurice, Zack , or anybody else who helped with Amsa maid nothing more then a pit pass or gas money to get to a show. 15k your smoking some serious ****. I will say this and im done with it, Jerry (JT) has done more for Mini-sprints then anybody out there period end of discussion. He has nothing to gain from Amsa other then the satisfaction of successful show at the end of the night. Ask Kevin Rice ,Robert Nichols, the wolf's or anybody else who was there the last time JT was removed from Amsa what happend. Gosh I can hardly wait for the next show at the columbus fair grounds when their are only 12 cars. Ask yourself what new orginization is going to gain from this and who is behind it. In the end its all about money, who is sellling racecars , and who is winning. JT doesnt own a car!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and they (amsa officials)dont care who wins as long as they put on a good show. ( and are legal)The only Tracks that has been added are I35 or Mt pillior( great chile cheese nachos last time I was there but canceled atleast 2 races I know of last year). Great Tracks, Loved when we ran there , but Amsa quit scheduling races at both tracks when the car counts droped down below 15. Good luck to the new organization, but i still dont see why people with 1200 cc motors have to buy new equitment just to play. I have nothing in Amsa , dont own a car , dont plan on owning a car, or driving a car. The only thing I have is knowledge of the past and it would be a shame if history repeated itself again. Keep up the good work JT and thanks Dave R for all the races you have for Amsa.:checkered: sorry if I offended anybody this is what happens when you have too much grey goose and cranberry. Is winter over yet? lets go racing and have some fun. Shane Cottle for president or to win the chillie bowl. Hey we need a picture of the the 10e car to put here. The views expressed here are mine and mine only and I dont realy care if you like them, Ha. |
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Don't forget Moler raceway,and who owns J.T. Racing engines ? and if your run stock 1000cc engines you don't need to build them do you
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What about Moler Speedway, they ran Friday nights and car don't show up for Friday Night races.{fact].
Anytime you want to tech a JT motor[or any motor] put your money where your mouth is,all the equipment is there to do so.Last year all you had to have was $100 but we raised it to $300 this year just like the new club.You don't have to run a jt motor there are others. Still waiting to for you to say where you got all this false informaton. |
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What about Moler Speedway, they ran Friday nights and car don't show up for Friday Night races.{fact].
Anytime you want to tech a JT motor[or any motor] put your money where your mouth is,all the equipment is there to do so.Last year all you had to have was $100 but we raised it to $300 this year just like the new club.You don't have to run a jt motor there are others. Still waiting to for you to say where you got all this false informaton. |
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You sign a contract with a race track.Please tell jt a track that pays per car ,sprints, late models ,stock cars,WOO,All Stars,USAC. The payoff listed at tracks don't say how many cars has to be there before they raise the purse.
jt didn't make the rules they have been there for at least 10 years and they were made by the racers at the time.There has been few changes[weight rule this year 2008]. I have a pay off sheet for 20 cars and payoffs for less.You can't pay out money you don't have.Members are free to ask anytime to see the payoff or ask questions. The 2008 rules are posted on the web site. Right now there are a least 10 races for other tracks than Lawrenceburg that isn't putting all your eggs in one basket. I don't have my papers with me but if I remember right we ran 9 races at Lawrenceburg,3 Twins Cities with them dropping a race 2 at Thunder Valley 1 at Osgood and Montplier cancelled theirs[not AMSA].Don't call that putting all your eggs in 1 basket. |
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if I remember right we ran 9 races at Lawrenceburg,3 Twins Cities with them dropping a race 2 at Thunder Valley 1 at Osgood and Montplier cancelled theirs[not AMSA].Don't call that putting all your eggs in 1 basket.......somebodysmam
If Lawrenceburg dropped these things from the schedule, you wouldn't have many eggs left in any basket. It seems that you're counting cancelled shows at Twin Cities and Montpelier as part of your schedule. Remember, "cancelled" means that there was no race! You can't put an egg that doesn't exist in a basket and count it. According to your math, w/o Lawrenceburg you would've only had six parades last year. Now, this year L'Burg has at least 14 shows for you folks. Take those shows off your schedule and how many eggs are left? Seems to me that L'Burg is your lifeblood, in this area. I think you guys should contact Herschel Benkert and try to schedule some shows on the motorcycle/go-kart track behind the grandstand at L'burg. I might even pay to see that. At least there would be a little driving involved instead of driving around flatout, straight as an arrow. |
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I'm sure Herschel would have to upgrade the wall around the outside of the track but, Bill Cunningham might help him out if he would propose running the mini's. Run'em Sunday afternoon-early evening.
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AMSA ran a total of 17 races
8 Lawrenceburg 2 Nationals Lawrenceburg thats 10 4 at Twin Cities 2 at Thunder Valley 1 at Osgood For a grand total of 17 races ran Twin Cities canceled 1 race [ all the workers went to Eldora for the World 100] Montplier canceled at least 3[Don't think they ran anything last summer] and there was 1 rain out at Lawrenceburg so it would of been 11 Lawrenceburg 10 at other tracks for a total of 21 races Gee I can count. |
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I'm not defending AMSA.I'm correcting lies about AMSA.Oh and by the way in the mid 90's I owned 2 mini sprints ,top 3 motors were tech for compression ,weighed and also fuel and tires checked.EVERY RACE All you heard was gripe gripe gripe about how much time it took.If your friend spent that much money for a motor he sure could of spent a lot less and still run with the winners.We did.
I'm sure jt didn'y slight you on purpose and I know he was working on getting races together for 2007 all the time taking care of his wife who passed away in Feb.Can't say about Lawrenceburg booth Dave has been nothing but supportive. This was a thread started for a new series with more money,great,but most of the remarks were bashing AMSA and jt. |
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They haven't even run a race yet and already they're fighting each other. This is great.:doh: |
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To TNR22, not trying to challenge your experiences or anything like that, but I know that Jerry's wife was extremely ill all last winter and I believe she passed away a day or two after the first indoor race in Duquoin and that the next weekend was the swap meet in Indy. I did not witness your meeting with him I'm just stating that he had some personal things going on and that could have played a role in your conversation. Every time I've spoken with Jerry he has been helpful and considerate to me and his behavior as you described seems very out-of-character.
Also the late release of the 2007 schedule I believe was mainly because of Mrs. Tague's illness, as well as the promotion of Lawrenceburg (half the schedule- which is why we get 30-35 cars because of location) changing hands etc... As far as competition of the series goes... my rookie year 2006 i believe there were 2 or 3 different winners with the top 3 mostly remaining unchanged all season whereas this past year 2007 there were 7 or 8 with the only a weight rule implimented. That's going in the right direction. If we get 25-30 cars a night and 10 of them can win thats a fair fight. Cost wise I've got a ERC 1000cc for sale that ran in the top 5 consistently all year for $8000 with everything I ran going with it, I'm not exactly sure what running a 600 is but I imagine it's around the same. Because the wings, torsion bars, shocks, and chassis don't know the difference between a 600 or 1000. The AMSA promoted competitive, fair shows all year in an affordable class. The main concern I have with the development of the MMSA is that the car counts will be split. In my opinion if people have a legitimate beef with the AMSA about the purse, rules, whatever it would be better to try to address them within the AMSA and get rules/regulations changed instead of running off and developing a competing series and splitting up the limited number of cars. If the effort of developing the new series went into making the AMSA even better we'd have a damn good mini-sprint series to race in; instead now two good series will struggle to get cars. The reason im selling my stuff is not because of ******** or anything like that. We are moving to 410s and cant afford both. Believe me, if i could run both I would because i've enjoyed my time with the AMSA. These are just my opinions i hope i didnt piss anybody off, I'm just trying to shed to light on the subject. Thanks for listening. |
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With $1000 to win races car count wont be a problem, people will come from go-karts, sprints and mods, if these purses hold true its the most "buck for the bang" anywhere that I know of... Besides two series isnt the end of the world, it takes the monopoly of one series out, I plan to run with the Amsa some too, but I am not going to pass up a purse. Id like to see the MMSA run Bloomington or even Brownstown, I think there will be enough cars....
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