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Congratulations to Dakoda Armstrong in his first run at Salem Speedway with the ARCA REMAX Series. He finished third behind Parker Kligerman and Justin Lofton (that are number one and two in points). A post sometime ago on here said that I hope that Dakoda doesn’t embarrass himself and or the open wheel community…….. I guess you got your answer.
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Congrats on the Great Run Dakota. Way to go!!!:31::6:
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Where did he start? I know it was not in the back. Yeah he finished 3rd , mommy/daddy's $ got him the ride. Heck if he finished 3rd I'd put $ on these drivers winning in this car , DD,JCjr,JS,CW,BK,BS,LJ.TH. Now if this sounds cold ,the fact remains these drivers spanked his a## in sprints/midgets. He is not even capable of carrying their helmet bag. I am glad he finished 3rd because when he does good it may open up another opportunity for a more deserving driver.Nascar had better be careful because drivers who should not be in cars on talent and getting in them with $ is one of the downfalls of indycars. Ironically it is one of the same owners who is doing it. What happened to the idea of good drivers being successful in sprints /midget and moving up due to their success.
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I'll wade in on this one, and pee people off in the process. First it takes money to race, and if you have it use it.This isn't a sport for empty pockets and poor people, if it was everyone would be doing it. What is the difference between spending family money or a sponsor's money? None.If you don't like it too bad, that's racing.
As for Dakoda, no he isn't a "sprint" racer. Short races aren't really his forte. The longer the race the better he runs. He may not fit the mold of the local "sprint" racer, but uses what he can do to his advantage. I'd call that a smart racer. As for Salem, you can ***** all you want, but that car didn't drive it self. And if you've never scene the race there, you have no idea what an accomplishment it is to survive that meat grinder. |
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No jealousy here, Im just old school have seen what has happened in indy cars and am starting to see a trend. I want to see drivers who win races in sprints and midgets get their chance. It used to be that car owners would build their cars and go find a good driver to win and take care of their equipment. Now we have car owners(Nascar@Indycar) who put drivers in cars by how much the driver can put in the owners bank account. I am happy for his success ,however is this for the best of the sport?
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Maybe Dakoda just wants it more.
He's a developement driver for Roger Renske. I don't think the captain is in the habit of picking drivers names out of a hat. Excellent run. Dakoda. |
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Dakoda is not a bad kid but what has he really accomplished on a national scale, nothing. The drivers I mentioned earlier have. There is no comparison , those drivers would without any question , out perform him in a ARCA car. Yes I have been to Salem , to many times to count ,it is scary fast and the majority of your winners or to do good you need to start close to the front. |
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Lauren ---------- Post added at 01:49 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:47 PM ---------- OH...and I should also mention...be it this post or the 23847239827384829374 other posts that discredit any good runs drivers have based on "startiing position".... Um, **NEWSFLASH***drivers qualify to get their cars close to the front. Kthanksbye. |
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If I am to take your latest screed seriously, you are advocating for Dave Darland (age 43), Jerry Coons Jr (age 37), Jon Stanbrough (42 in October), Tracy Hines (there and back - age 37) as better candidates for a developmental program than high school senior Dakoda Armstrong. You would also begrudge Dakoda the chance to run ARCA so Brad Sweet can (Brad is already racing ARCA events). :15: Better yet, you figure Levi Jones is more deserving (consider how many midget races he has been asked to run since TSR shut him down). Dominating success in non-wing sprint cars on dirt alone does not guarantee stock car success or Brad Noffsinger would be in the chase this year. Who's left from that list? Cole Whitt: an extremely underfunded, but hard working kid who would surely capture the eyes of the developmental gurus at the higher levels if only his funding were better? That doesn't sound like an accurate description of his program to me. I believe he will be moving on eventually anyway. He seems to have everything needed to be a success in professional pavement racing. Driving talent, youth, funding and a great personality. :6: Brad Kuhn. The real reason you rag on all of the other up and coming midget guys. I don't know if you're a relative or just a fan, but you are not nearly as objective as you claim. Although Devin has the screenname, you are the #1 Brad Kuhn fan in my book. Brad is starting to get to the age (28 in October) where his chances for success at any level higher than the one he is at are declining rapidly. Your posts suggest bitterness about that and if there is, I don't blame Brad for that. Short of winning some of the major titles (USAC, Chili Bowl, Belleville etc.) there isn't much more for him to accomplish in midgets. He has done enough to prove that he has special talent. If he is to have any chance at all of advancement, he is going to have to show a car owner how that talent will carry over into driving long events on pavement. I am surprised that he isn't a Silver Crown regular. I think that would help. Now, if I may get back on topic. Congratulations to Dakoda Armstrong for his strong finish at Salem. One of only three cars left on the lead lap! :8: Looking at the results, I also see ex-midget competitor Tom Hessert notched an 8th place finish. |
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Who's left from that list?
Cole Whitt: an extremely underfunded, but hard working kid who would surely capture the eyes of the developmental gurus at the higher levels if only his funding were better? That doesn't sound like an accurate description of his program to me. I believe he will be moving on eventually anyway. He seems to have everything needed to be a success in professional pavement racing. Driving talent, youth, funding and a great personality. :6: Are you serious!!!!!!! That is an oxymoron if I have ever heard one!!!!! |
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I was at the race and Dakoda put on quite a show! Congrats Dakoda!
The jealousy and complete lack of facts in here sure can be amazing sometimes. Just think what some of you could accomplish if you spent the time and effort you waste attempting to cut drivers down, towards building yourself or favorite driver up? |
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I usually lurk from a far distance, but this one I just couldn't.........
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Where do you get off dragging me into a post that has nothing to do with me??? My name was never mentioned until you decided to throw it out there as your depiction of why you think this person is so negative. On a side not, just so you know how accurate your stats are, my birthday is not in October. Back to my point.......how does this person going off on a tangent about what is or isn't true have anything to do with me? You suggest he is my biggest fan, but then go on to call me bitter........not him. Bitter about what Tom? Winning races and Championships? Bitter about driving for the best team going right now? Bitter about winning races for some of the biggest names in racing? I am not bitter Tom, I am blessed. The places I have been, the people I have met, the races I have won, the teams I have driven for.........I am truly blessed. So what if NASCAR isn't the end destination. I know that you and I have never seen eye to eye in your position as assistant to the announcer/information gatherer at Angell Park, but that isn't really a reason to drag me into a disagreement you have with someone on a message board. Seriously Tom, how can you call me bitter or anything else based on some racing fans opinon about anything. If you want to call me something currently, call me pissed off. That is what I am, pissed off. At guys like you that, twist posts on message boards and drag drivers/owners/teams/crews into situations based on what a fan of theirs puts out there on some message board. :15: If a supporter of mine comes on this board a posts something, that is great. But that doesn't mean that we share the same opinions or views about anything. Doesn't matter if that person is a fan/family member/spouse/whatever. Sorry to all for this post being off topic (Dakoda), but that just pissed me off. On the topic of Dakoda, congrats for your accomplishment. Third place at Salem Speedway is good in stock car or a turtle race. Also a congrats to Kevin Besecker........he's been around coaching that kid for a long time.:8: Brad Kuhn:22: |
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cole witt is underfunded....................................... ..............................
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Congrats to Dakoda on the strong run. I'm glad he was able to stay away from Tim George Jr. At least Dakoda has talent to go along with the funding. Here's a question. What if the Armstrongs had decided to start their own team instead. What would your feelings be then. We are fortunate to have a family friend that has been involved with Kyle's racing since we started and he put together an ARCA car for Kyle to drive at Springfield and Du quoin on the dirt miles. Although the car is very good, it was done on a very small budget. Small compared to what ESR and Cunningham and the likes have. However, we're still talking significant dollars plus all of the race day expenses. This is 1 car with an engine that now has 3 races on it. It's not freshened after every race. There is no backup car. When you get put into the wall by someone like Tim George Jr. it's another big expense that puts the next race in jeopardy. How much do you think it would cost to put a whole "COMPETITIVE" team together. Financially, to me it's a no brain-er. If I had the money I'd do it for Kyle. People have been bringing funding to rides for decades. It's nothing new and it will go on. I would be lying if I wouldn't admit that I would love for Kyle to have an opportunity at one of those types of rides or that I'm a bit jealous of those that have the finances to do so. I don't, however despise those who can. I made the decisions that have lead to the level of income at which we live. Anyway, these teams need funding and if there's someone out there that can bring the cash to the table, it's just smart business for them.
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First off, congratulations to young Mr. Armstrong for his very respectable finish at Salem Speedway with the ARCA REMAX Series.
While the driver in question here might show flashes of brilliance at times, I don’t think he’s really any more talented than the next guy, or the next guy, or the next guy after that. With the driver name being totally irrelevant, money and established PR representation surpassed talent …. many a moon ago. The question is, 1.) is it really “jealousy“ on a posters behalf, as in the word term as used herein? Or 2.) is it “reality“, as in some of us really see all of this for what it is? Personally, I’m thinking its #2. Remember folks …. Back in 2002 the world, via the Red Bull Driver search, told ALL of US that Scott Speed was the best open wheel driver in the USA. Hands down, this kid was the best, as we were told. Therefore they sent him over the pond to represent, US. The rest of the story, well, you know. To save face afterwards, Red Bull that is, thought he was more suited for Tin Tops, thus he did a little ABC&T racing. He had a few good showings, and a truck win. Great, now show me more I say. And it’s not like he was driving someone’s under funded $hitboxes either. Just the opposite, the equipment he drove was ALL, top caliber, best of the best. A trained monkey would have had the same results in the equipment he was driving. In some cases, the trained monkey would have had better results. As for the rest of the ARCA story, well, you know. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ANaTaNYz20 Then, it was on to NASCRAP land, where he’s 35th in driver points. As for the rest of this story, well, you know how it‘ll end. Old school hard work, determination, skill, and talent …. left the racing building many a moon ago. Now then money, well, it’s more prevalent in the racing building more than ever. Especially when it comes to NASCRAP developmental driver, programs. |
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Racing is all about money.... If your involved in racing in anyform you are goin to spend alot of it...Some people spend every thing they have on hobby stocks and bombers, some on sprint cars and midgets, and some are lucky enough to have what it takes for STOCKCAR Racing....My point is most poeple including I choose the highest form of racing they can "afford" and do it to the best of their ability...I put everything I have into my sprintcar knowing thats the farthest i will ever get... If the Armstrongs are able to put everything they have into a Stockcar ride then why not it is no different....Congrats to Dakota and everyone that gets to live there dream!!! a top 3 is good in anything at that level its great!!! Good Luck to you!
And as for Cole Whitt I dont know what his funding is like but.... I do know he is an amazing racecar driver and in my opinion the best thing going in open wheel racing today....Good luck to you buddy!!! Landon Simon |
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Hi Brad,
Sorry for the delayed response but I was out getting rained on at Beaver Dam. I was going to send you a PM, but since you have called me out publically, I'll address your points in the same manner they were made. Where do you get off dragging me into a post that has nothing to do with me??? You were one of several drivers that were dragged into this post not by me, but by Mr. Maniac. My name was never mentioned until you decided to throw it out there as your depiction of why you think this person is so negative. See above, though I do think Maniac's antagonistic remarks toward Loyet, Armstrong and Swindell are due in no small part to his feelings about you. On a side note, just so you know how accurate your stats are, my birthday is not in October. Sorry about that, I was responding from memory. Looking at my records, I see you're already 28. Doesn't change my opinion any though. Back to my point.......how does this person going off on a tangent about what is or isn't true have anything to do with me? See my answer to questions #1 and #2. Beyond that, I don't know. You'd have to ask him. You suggest he is my biggest fan, but then go on to call me bitter........not him. Bitter about what Tom? Winning races and Championships? Bitter about driving for the best team going right now? Bitter about winning races for some of the biggest names in racing? I am not bitter Tom, I am blessed. The places I have been, the people I have met, the races I have won, the teams I have driven for.........I am truly blessed. So what if NASCAR isn't the end destination. Actually, I said the posts (not only here but also on MM) suggested bitterness. I stand by that statement. I'm not sure whether or not you are personally bitter (about the lack of opportunity for you to move on, not about the success you've had and are having) and will happily accept your statement that you are blessed to be where you are. Nonetheless this is the one of the points that Maniac and I agree on. There should be more opportunity for all of midget racing's best to pursue the sport at a higher level should they so choose. I'm not sure how that's going to change though. I know I would much rather have you racing midgets because that is what I support. Should you move on to some stock car deal, I will read about your accomplishments. If you stay where you are, I will witness your accomplishments. Selfish as it is, I am truly grateful that I have been able to enjoy the careers of guys like yourself, Steve Knepper, Jerry Coons, Rich Vogler, Kevin Olson, Robby Flock, Kevin Doty, Dan Boorse, Scott Hatton etc. etc. Skilled midget drivers have provided me with many years of enjoyment and if the sport stays afloat will undoubtedly do so for the rest of my days. I know that you and I have never seen eye to eye in your position as assistant to the announcer/information gatherer at Angell Park, but that isn't really a reason to drag me into a disagreement you have with someone on a message board. Seriously Tom, how can you call me bitter or anything else based on some racing fans opinon about anything. If you want to call me something currently, call me pissed off. That is what I am, pissed off. At guys like you that, twist posts on message boards and drag drivers/owners/teams/crews into situations based on what a fan of theirs puts out there on some message board. :15: FWIW, I don't recall doing anything to create that conflict. If you feel I did, I hope we can discuss and put that past us. From my point of view, this not seeing eye to eye is all on you. I can only speculate that you felt that I wasn't enough of an ally in your business disagreement. If that's not it, I truly am baffled. My beef isn't with you, but with Maniac, who has come in to the two boards that I love to read and used you as a reason to trash the names of some of your fellow competitors. I certainly don't mind when he posts positive things about you, but when he takes off after some of the other guys you race against, he pisses me off. I am not in the habit of regularly offering my opinions on these boards, but will occasionally reply when I can be helpful or when someone really annoys me. Maniac has that ability. If the personal attacks aren't there, I'm with you in lurker mode. Think about this as well. If my purpose was to use this post to attack you, I probably would have left out the part about you being a special talent. I assure you that I meant that too. If a supporter of mine comes on this board a posts something, that is great. But that doesn't mean that we share the same opinions or views about anything. Doesn't matter if that person is a fan/family member/spouse/whatever. I think that depends on what they have to say and who they are. I would hope the opinions expressed by Maniac are not yours and that he is just some overzealous fan with no special insight, but since he is firing his pot shots anonymously, who knows? Do you know who he is? 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The Penske organization is not investing that kind of $ to put a guy in ARCA, they are helping him with an ARCA deal for now as part of a long term plan to move him into Cup racing (presumably) some day. No organization is going to invest time, effort and capital into a driver who is not going to have the time to develop into a top level star. As a result, most developmental drivers will be in their late teens or early 20's. In short, ARCA is just one of many stepping stones before the ultimate prize is achieved and not an end destination for anyone. I'm glad you're coming around to the idea that Kevin Swindell might be deserving of a shot, perhaps you remembered his charge through the field at Knoxville this year! Bryan Clauson is another guy who is deserving of the chance to build on what he has already accomplished in limited stock car opportunities. He's young enough that he should get another chance. I'm more of a dirt guy, so I don't know that much about Santos, but he seems almost unstoppable on pavement. I think of him as this era's Mike Bliss. Bliss wasn't that tough on dirt, but didn't have many opportunities to practice in the Pacific Northwest, much like Santos in New England. Much as I like him, I don't see Brad Loyet as a good candidate until he loses his aversion to pavement. I think he has the ability to run well on pavement; I saw his first two midget races ever (at Tucson and Turkey Night - both paved) and both were top 10 runs, yet Saturday they had Tracy Hines running an 05 car at Columbus. I'm worried about the shortage of pavement in Chad Boat's schedule this year as well. Other guys who I would throw into the mix were I a development czar, are the Swanson brothers, Darren Hagen and Alex Bowman. I'm not really anybody's #1 fan, I admire way too many drivers for that, but I can assure you that on the internet at least, no one is more supportive of Brad Kuhn (and contemptuous of his rivals) than you. |
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Congrats Dakota :6....It's been a good 2 weeks for the Armstrong family...Dakota winning the prelude to the last feature in Joliet, Dalton winning the last feature ever at the stadium and Caleb winning at Columbus:6::6::6:......
Now it just boggles my mind how some of you melon heads on here can turn a congratulatory post into this silliness :15::42::....start a different thread if you feel the need to take someone's moment of sunshine away:19: |
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Dakota qualified 9th of 29 cars. Three cars finished on the lead lap, Lofton, Kligerman, and Dakota. So if Dakota can finish 3rd and NOT be good enough to be racing in ARCA, what about the rest of the 26 entries? Are none of them good enough or deserving either? You're fighting an uphill battle, you say he's not good enough, but you have all the results proving you're wrong.
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Lots of discussion around 'Development Programs' used to prepare these drivers for the next level but the reality is if team owners cared one bit about their development drivers you wouldn't seeing kids get outted a seat when a European or big name throws their cap in the tin top ring, and you wouldnt see kids like BC running USAC.
Those who argue that the Armstrong deal is not 100% about money are truly the ignorant. He may have not 'earned' it, but whatever. I always like to see familiar names on the TV when I tune in on limited televised racing out East. And to the original poster, you're self admitted 'old school' which means your theories and ideals are antiquated. This is 2009 and that is not how it works anymore. Is it unfortunate that drivers with more credentials get overlooked? Yup. Are the 43 best race car drivers in the country driving on Sunday? Nope. But racing at that level is a business, money talks, and there is nothing anyone can do. |
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do i wish i could see more guys that i know and root for moving up... I'd be remissed to say no, but racing is expensive i understand that... i wish i could afford to race but my meager salary in the miltary doesnt allow it so i cant why throw a fit when someone can race... i still wish BC could go back to the fenders i beleive he had a massive amount of potential, and really he still does hes not even 21 hes 2 months younger than me lol... look at Ricky Stenhouse... it can happen, do i wish it was different and that the deserving guys got the rides but this is the nature of the racing world right now hopefully it will all come around eventually
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I must also remark how incredibly kind it is that some of you keep bringing up BC as the standard by which everything else should be measured. 'Bout time you climbed aboard. Glad some of you were able to figure out how "good" BC is AFTER you ripped him to shreds with similar threads as this one not so long ago. BC IS (and ALWAYS HAS BEEN) the real deal. Some of you just figured that out AFTER he took a little visit back up this way to kick everyone's tail...while the rest of us (those who *might* know more about things than what they hear on a message board) knew that far before he ever headed south of the Mason Dixon line. This time, when he heads back to do his thing...at least he will have the peace and tranquil comfort of knowing that he was able to convince the open-wheel racing "fans" that he was worthy.:17: Now...I have a bit of a question...something to ponder, really. Okay, so one of "our drivers" move on (for whatever reason the "fans" want to claim it is for)...with attitudes like these that are CONSTANTLY being presented, WHY would that driver (or even his rich daddy, so some of you say) even bother with fielding an open wheel team in the future? You ask what a kid "like Dakoda" does for the sport as a whole when he is "allowed" (LOL) to move on...well I ask what it does for the sport as a whole when a team like Dakoda's that fields dozens of race cars (and would continue to in some way shape or form regardless of where the current drivers end up) is constantly being berrated by the very people who call themselves "fans" of this PART of the sport? Hmmmm... And furthermore, on that note...when criticising the owners who take on foreign drivers (for the money, naturally), remember this: Those drivers have an allegiance of FANS that encompass ENTIRE COUNTRIES. Those fans rally behind them, buy their merchandise and take GREAT PRIDE in "their guy's" appearance on the national stage....no matter WHAT got them in the seat. Too bad we can't say the same about our teeny-tiny sub-division speck of real estate on the racing map...yet we tend to hold ourselves in THE HIGHEST regard. Lauren |
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When did someone's own personal opinion become confused with jealousy?
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Dakoda, Congrats on your finish at Salem and your new Penske development deal.
Now with that being said, I guess I would have to wounder/ask why would anybody be upset at what Dakoda has been givin a chance to do. Ok yes I know there is the whole money deal. But I ask if it was your own kid and you had the resorces to pull from would you not support and back your kid as well as you could?. I have been around this sport for a long time and have seen all of the "next Jeff Gordon's" come and go and hear everyday of a new one coming down the pipe. I have worked with quite a few also. I have seen the money it takes first hand, I know I have spent alot of it. Every sunday nite I sit down and fire up the Tivo and watch either Ama supercross or outdoor nationals and see all the guys on there that my son use to chase and even beat regular basis. He even beat a little sawed off red head kid for a state championship. That kid was Ryan Vilipoto. I spent a ton of money in our racing years but as I watch now I dont get pissed or whine and cry of were there at. It's life and things change. Everybody has "dreams", Cars, House's what they see themself's doing in 20 years. I also have alot of respect for guy's like DD, TH, JS, and the Brad Kuhn's of the openwheel world who have either had a chance or not and keep coming back week after week year after year and doing what they love to do. And you know what I'll bet it was there "dream" to run race cars when they were younger. Enjoy what these guy do everytime there at the track and what the hell if they make it to Napcar I'll watch them on sundays with my eye's shut. |
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wow for your information doucher he is a successful midget/sprint driver. he got his first usac championship when he was only 13 years old and it was his first year in the series might i add. and for you dumbasses who think cole whitt deserves it more u must all be dirt track racing hillbillies who will never amount to anything in the big time like dakoda will. cole whitt couldn't win on pavement if his life depended on it. he can win on dirt for sure. but does nascar run on dirt? nope. its clearly obvious that dakoda possesses everything that roger penske is looking for. and thats success and potential. so cut the jealousy and be proud of someone that is gonna be bigger and better than u in life.
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After reading these posts it makes me think, I see the term 'Jealousy' thrown around a lot. A thought came to my mind is it really jealousy or confusion? While I was growing up I played stick and ball sports and for the most part there were 'Tryouts' because they wanted the best TALENT they could get. So after years and years of competing it was drilled into my head and many others that if you are the best/most talented you will have a place. However, racing is sooo confusing because that is not the case at all...
I remember when I had my first taste of it, I had raced a few times and each time had finished better than a certain female driver. Then I hear she signed a 'Development Deal' and I thought to myself, ***? How does that work? How can someone that hasn't even won a race get a deal like that? I wasn't 'Jealous' I was confused! I never felt I deserved the chance, I felt one of 10 other guys who kicked my butt deserved it...but they didn't get it. How can you be the best and get passed up? It's doesn't seem right? It's like an NFL team choosing some kid from High School in the draft over the Heisman Trophy winner, it's odd and most don't understand it. Bottom line at the upper levels it's not THE BEST driver's, it's the best drivers that can AFFORD it. Most people haven't learned that yet, and it is a tough pill to swallow because it goes against what we learn growing up. I don't mean to take anything away from Dakota as I've said before, good for him! As for you people coming on here trying to convince us that this deal was done on TALENT alone you can sell that somewhere else. As Jeff Hammond would say, That dog won't hunt. |
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ha cole whitt underfunded thats the funniest joke i've heard all day
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Big Pimpim Cole Whitt has won more races than u probably have ever been to in your life! You could not carry Coles jock strap there water boy. Also one more for the books you need to do your homework before you get on a damn message bored and run your mouth about one of the best shoes to come along in quite a long time! Thanks, Marc Orr:22:
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