Racin' with D.O. tonight USAC SIlver Crown meeting update
 

Greg Staab will be at tonights show to talk about the USAC Silver Crown owners meeting today. 28 owners got to say their piece and listen to USAC's plan.
Videos and Party tonight at Kelly's Pub Too starting at 8 pm at Kelly's or RaceFanRadio.com.

Tonight is our last show of the year, Thanks to all who make it happen !
Merry Christmas
Racin' with D.O. , Family and Crew
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Thanks to you, D.O., for having the show. Thanks also to Greg Staab for his hard work and openness about what is going on. This might be your most listened to show of the year.:applaud::thumb:

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Not all owners were invited. A friend of mine has fielded silvercrown cars for the last 7 - 8 years, ran every year, and did not get invited. No owner of a tank, but an owner of dirt and the former pavement car.

Seems like the BS continues.

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:crying:

Does your "friend" own a phone or can he/she get on the internet...Everyone on here seemed to know there was a meeting. All it takes is a phone call to USAC to see what's up. Do you also want them to wipe?

Just goes to show, you can't please everyone.

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Hope someone will post some hightlights of the show on here tonight for us to see what was being talked about today at the meeting.

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D'ont be so sure that all owners were invited.

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D'ont be so sure that all owners were invited.

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I never said I was...If you wanted to go then you should of called USAC. If they say NO! then you have a beef. Otherwise, complaining after the fact is childish.

All I was saying is that it was common knowledge on this site that there was a meeting!

:kookoo2:

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Why should an owner have to monitor a totally-unrelated Message Board to find out about the goings-on of a club for which they are a member? There is nothing on www.usacracing.com about a meeting, and there was no phone call or a letter. But he tells me that he received his Membership Renewal asking for the $500 renewal fee promptly in the mail dated 11/07/07 Mailed From 46224 using non-profit pre-sorted standard mail rate of 20 cents.

Most owners have businesses that they need to run, and they don't take the time to "monitor" message boards for information.

USAC14, I heard that the company you work for is handing our Christmas bonuses this year. They posted it on a badminton message board. If you don't claim it by tomorrow, you lose it.

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He only heard about it "through the grapevine" at around 10:00 pm Sunday night -- no time to call USAC to find out what's up or make arrangements to attend a meeting on Monday.

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I can't help you there, Jim P. couldn't make it either, but was going to try to get in via conferance call. Don't know how that turned out though.

"Where there's a will, there's a way."

My "friend" learned about it at the PRI show and made travel plans after.

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What time was the meeting? My friend doesn't even know that. How could he call if he didn't have the time of the event, or a conference call dial-in number? He didn't attend the PRI show, so he couldn't learn about it there.

Interestingly, the Membership Renewal forms weren't distributed at the PRI show, but were mailed and signed by none other than Owen Snyder. At least the owners got them. "

Where there's a will there's a way." NOT all owners live in Indiana. Many live more than 5 - 12 hours away, including the owner of which I speak. It would have been impossible for him to find out the time and location of a meeting on Monday morning and get there in time from where he lives.

So what's wrong with mail, e-mail or telephone call in advance? Plus, his "will" has been diminishing with the continuing BS over the last several years. I think he will be another one selling out in favor of a new vacation home on the lake. Why put up with the BS?

If you wonder why there are so many drivers looking for rides, ask the owners why they don't want to be involved anymore. Do they want their axx wiped? No, but they do expect the common courtesy of letting them know when something is being discussed of importance to the "Club" that they pay $500/year for the privilege of being a member (sic).

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AGAIN...

I can't help you there!

Call USAC and complain. Take action!

From their website....

USAC National Office

Address:
4910 West 16th Street
Speedway
IN
46224

Telephone: 317-247-5151
Fax: 317-247-0123

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He has the phone number to USAC, and USAC has his phone number. The point is that his opinion WAS NOT heard at a meeting which he did not know existed until after the fact.

Back to the original point -- It's the same old USAC BS. They forged ahead with the new style pavement cars without the input of all of the owners, and now they are starting anew again without input from all of the owners. It is a sorry state of affairs for a "Club" to ignore its membership.

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The meeting was by invite only.
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Brent Elmore

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Sounded like "New Generation" car owners only.

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Not too much info divulged on the show. The new cars are here to stay and the old pavement cars, though not dead, are in limbo. Six dirt shows on the schedule. They weren't named but should be Manzy, Hoosier Hundred, Springfield, Duquoin, Eldora, and ?. On the pavement side Darlington has been announced and I noticed that Iowa Speedway has them on the schedule for August 10. More, I'm sure, to follow.

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Meeting was for New Gen car owners although some others attended. My flights were cancelled I attended via conference call. USAC will release details of the meeting.

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Also sounded like the sprint schedule is what it is. Midgets too. I was hoping for a couple more sprint pavement shows. I believe Staab's quote was "...unless Jason can pull a couple of rabbits out of his hat". Oh well. At least we get to run Winchester more than once.

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Limbo means moth balled. Heck save them for a few more years and when the Old timers are run at Springfield before the Tony Bettenhausen 100 then you cna get them out for that one day a year and remember what Silver Crown racing once was.

I am SOOOOO glad the new cars are sticking around. It gives me something to give USAC grief about everytime I am at a USAC race.

Never thought I'd see a day when an openwheel car had fenders on them.

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I'd say its kind of childish to blast someone without giving your name for everyone to see.

OOPS! Looks like you have egg on your face. You spent all that effort ******** and in reality you didnt even know what you were talking about in the 1st place. Looks to me that you were just ******** to be ********.

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When was I ********? If you read it again, I was responding to ********. Get a grip dude, when does saying something is childish represent "blasting"? Take a vallum.

Let me translate what I said earlier in easier to understand terms

I never said or claimed to know who was or was not invited to the meeting. I only responded to someone "********" with suggestion taking direct action with USAC rather than just ranting on this board.

So, no there is no egg to clean up.

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THAT is on the schedule July 5th.

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So THAT is the 6th dirt show for the year?

Hadn't DuQuoin been kicked around as possibly gettting a second silver crown race running sometime earlier in the summer?

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Owners of pavement Silver Crown cars only invited?............did they both show up?:loser:

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Thank you, this just made me laugh so hard I cried.

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:idea::pissonwings:B-Day on the 4th Bloomington, THAT on 5th,Kokomo on 6th. Got my weekend planed out.

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I heard through the grapevine that the the following was announced at the meeting -- that there are only 2 pavement Silver Crown shows booked for 2008, and that all of the other pavement shows have not been renewed as of yet.

The owners of the Secondcrown series cars...oops, I mean dirt Silver Crown series, are taking it in the rear again. Not invited, I guess their opinions don't count? BOHICA

This is just rumor, so take it for what it is worth. We are still patiently waiting for the announcement from USAC that Jim P alluded to. Knowing that the Secondcrown series is scheduled for Manzanita in 2 months, I wonder when this announcement will be forthcoming?

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usac14, i hope you're just a usac sycophant or, groupie, and not an employee. if you are an employee, they are doomed. do you realize how ridiculous a way this would be to communicate with paying members (car owners, drivers, etc.) with regard to the time, date and location of an important meeting?????? on a non-affiliated web-site forum!!! or to expect members to simply make periodic and random phone calls to the office to see "IF" there is a meeting coming up?? i refuse to believe USAC would be that poorly run. that being the case, i'll assume, and hope, you're not an employee.

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http://www.usacracing.com/content/view/7240/50/

It doesn't sound like they made decisions at the meeting, so those who have hurt feelings for not being invited, need not feel that way now. There are links at the bottom of the article for you to voice your ideas to the gentlemen in charge at USAC.

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Unbelievable! Until I saw it staring plain in our faces for all to see:

SILVER CROWN MEETING FOSTERS NEW DIRECTION
Wednesday, 19 December 2007
Principals involved in the United States Auto Club's K & N Silver Crown Championship Series met at USAC Headquarters in Speedway, Ind. Monday to discuss series strategy and implement ideas aimed at strengthening the series and creating a business plan designed to ensure its future success.
USAC President Kevin Miller and Senior VP of Race Operations Jason Smith presided over the meeting which included car owners, builders, team members and other interested parties.

I can assure you that there was at least ONE (1) long-standing owner and team who was NOT invited nor asked to participate in an important discussion about series strategy and to implement ideas. When did ONLY new gen car owners become "PRINCIPALS" and Secondcrown series owners become red-headed stepchildren whose opinions are not welcomed? It looks like the decision-making about strategies has already been done. Writing a letter to USAC now as they suggest at the bottom of the press release is a BIG SLAP IN THE FACE.

The discrimination involved in USAC right now is beyond belief.

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Good advice. Rumors are worth nothing so I will take it for what it's worth - nothing. Until you know what will actually be happening via a press release, etc., I suggest you not get worked up over something like a rumor that is of no value. :rolleyes:

My advice to you is don't believe everything you read or hear.

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Do you people hear all of that whirring and scraping noise? It comes from someone who joined this board just because she/he "has an axe to grind" with USAC. :thumbsdown: :moon: :redflag:

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The direction of the Silver Crown division is/was a major decision that USAC had to make this winter. Management changed and the Kevin Miller - Jason Smith team has only been on the job a couple of weeks. Do you honestly believe that they could have worked out all the problems and booked all the shows in that time? Finding out what support they would get from owners of the NG cars was needed before booking races as I'm sure many track operators had/have the same questions we have. As for the dirt portion of the schedule it has hovered around 5 or 6 races annually for quite some time. How then are owners of these cars getting shafted? It is the owners of the old style pavement cars who are taking the brunt of all this. Hopefully something can be worked out for at least a few races for them. But give the new management team at USAC a reasonable amount of time. I don't know Kevin Miller but I do know Jason Smith and his passion for this segment of the sport is boundless. I'm sure that their vision and the direction of the SC division will become obvious in due time.

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Now you've gone and done it. You've taken a perfectly screwball series of posts, and thrown common sense into it.

I hope you're happy now.

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See the whole Dirt and Asphault thing IMHO is USACs strength and its greatest weakness.

Strength in that drivers get a wide variety of racing styles and stratagies.

Weakness in that it cost so much to run both types of cars that many teams now just have one or the other.

I don't have a stake in it other than what I'll pay to see but The specialty car is and has to be a deterent to many from following the series in the first place.

In the case of the SC they've basically told everyone who ran most of the series both dirt and pavement that YOU DIRT Guys aren't good enough for us and unless you can pay, you can't play. IT really is a NEXT LEVEL but I think there are enough NEXT LEVELS like ARCA, INDY PRO ect to go around.

Chuck, not knocking anyone here but Id love to see all teams in all divisions be able to compete for the series championship.

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Many of the owners of the dirt cars are also owners of the old style pavement cars. I can name them, but most of you already know who they are. If the rumor is true -- nothing has been confirmed -- then the dirt owners/old style owners are really getting the shaft. Twice.

The first slap in the face was when the old style car was outlawed with very little notice. The second slap in the face is when they found out that their opinions did not matter to strategies regarding the future of the series. Why on earth would they compete when the entire series caters to the new gen cars and gives the shaft to the others? BOHICA

USAC ignored the old style owners when the new gen cars were originally created, and now these same owners are facing the same crap. There is zero incentive for a dirt car owner to compete in all of the dirt races when it is bitterly obvious that no one at the top office really gives a shxt. I think you will see a lot more dirt cars drop out this season.

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Granted many of the dirt car owners are one and the same with the owners of the old style pavement cars. And as such they are getting the shaft but NOT because of their ownership of the dirt cars. As far as the old style cars being outlawed that has been covered on this board ad nauseum. What we need to remember here is that there is new management in place at USAC and we should give them reasonable opportunity to right the ship. No matter what not everyone will be pleased but if the overall picture becomes healthy then they will have done their job and done it well.

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Dwight,

I agree with you 100%. But the first impression is not a good one. New management or old, not asking the dirt owners to participate in matters of importance to the series is showing a complete lack of respect. It sends a message "loud and clear" that the dirt portion of the series is of secondary importance to the new gen portion.

If Ken Pierson can fly from CA and Jim P can join via conf call from Syracuse, then by all means it would have been easy to get participation from ALL owners if they so desired. It will not get healthy unless the entire series sticks together and works hard to make it happen. To alienate more than half of the owners is not a good way to right the ship. The series will not stick together as long as the red-headed stepchildren with dirt cars are relegated to second tier status.

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Time will answer all of our questions. We can only hope for the best for SC racing.