OT - Force just made sure the world knows he is a phony
 

I was watching (go ahead, beat me up, but Hey! Mr. Happy is out there in person.:3:) NHRA on TV. Anyone with a modicum of intelligence, or a memory, knows how John lays down against his teammates when the situation "calls for it".
He set a new benchmark for laying down today!:7:

Originally Posted by Pat O'Connor Fan:
I was watching (go ahead, beat me up, but Hey! Mr. Happy is out there in person.:3:) NHRA on TV. Anyone with a modicum of intelligence, or a memory, knows how John lays down against his teammates when the situation "calls for it".
He set a new benchmark for laying down today!:7:

And once again, NHRA doesn't do a thing. What a joke.
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If you watch the arial replay of the run the car actually goes towards the center line first and then it starts heading towards the wall. He simply overcorrected on when the car made the move towards the center and the car took off towards the wall. It happens. Shoot, I think that Hight has a

The commentator was way out of line to say that he did it on purpose and just was way out of his mind to say that on air.

Im not taking sides just giving a different perspective of the incident of which 99% of people are going to say he was in the wrong just because they heard the guy on the TV say it.

Also, how can you call the winningest driver in NHRA history a phony? Im not a fan of him but that is just a pretty bold statement.

Originally Posted by bballr4567:
If you watch the arial replay of the run the car actually goes towards the center line first and then it starts heading towards the wall. He simply overcorrected on when the car made the move towards the center and the car took off towards the wall. It happens. Shoot, I think that Hight has a

The commentator was way out of line to say that he did it on purpose and just was way out of his mind to say that on air.

Im not taking sides just giving a different perspective of the incident of which 99% of people are going to say he was in the wrong just because they heard the guy on the TV say it.

Also, how can you call the winningest driver in NHRA history a phony? Im not a fan of him but that is just a pretty bold statement.

The thing was though, the guy on tv called before it happened. Force pretty much admitted to it after the run when he said he only did what his sponsers pay him to do,get cars into the "chase" or whatever nhra calls there final championship run off.
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There is nothing else to do. Its just a weird situation where it comes down to what people think happened.

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But one's reputation follows you. If your team has a rep for pulling this BS, every time another remotely questionable situation occurs, you are going to be thought guilty. You reap what you sew.
As he stated in the interview after he and Tony P. were separated, "It is my race team and I can do what I want with it". Pretty much says it all.

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Well what happened? I don't understand?

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Force did what any person on this board would have done in the same situation. I like his line to Tony P. after all the shouting was done. " My little girl just beat your a$$". LOL Classic

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Like Warren Johnson said the other day, it's nothing special anymore it's just another drag race thanks to the NHRA. Personally I barely watch it anymore and never tivo it because of the "chase" crap and BS like Force is always pulling, you would have NEVER seen one of the true greats like Big Daddy or the Snake do that. On a neat note, was there Thursday and saw Big Daddy wheeling one of the new Challengers in competition, would have loved a t-shirt but the NHRA wouldn't let him sell any on the grounds, guess they can't get a cut!

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In my opinion (mine alone), the only reason Warren J said that is because he didnt make the show. If he had won it would have been the biggest weekend of Drag Racing there is . He was upset on how he qualified and that was how he made himself feel better about it. Like I said, this is my opinion.

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Oh let's get real, If and I say "If" Force rolled over for Height this is nothing more then we see in any other form of racing when there are more than one team in a class, owned by one person . We have seen it in F-1, NASCAR, Indy, and just about any other division you can think of, if you'll just look at it. Tony Pedregon needs to get over himself, and the past. Cruz needs to get past the fact if he had done better earlier in the year, then he wouldn't have been in this position. This was not a one race deal. It's money and sponsers that create theses situations, of course it's money and sponsers that keep our favorite forms of motorsports going..so nothing is perfect, we must live with the good and bad...and by the way I was at the U.S. Nationals and it looked like to me John made an honest attempt at Height, and I watched from about 30 yards away Tony Pedregon start that little incident

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I don't ever remember this happening on the track in sprint cars and midgets. Can anyone think of an example?

Many times, guys have gotten into other cars in order to compete for a championship or whatever, but laying down in an event? I'll never understand that.

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We have had teammates intentionally spin out or spin a competitor to get a yellow. Bobby Allen admits this in an old Open Wheel article when his teammate was Richard Lupo. Historically some sprint car races were alsi hippodrome races with the finish predetermined although this goes back many years.

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It is nothing but NHRA and NASCAR fault on this point chase they have started.If your racing is any good you do not need to have this phony type of chit they have come up with and they can not figure out why people are not paying attention to them anymore.

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Im not a fan of all this Chase crap. If a driver does good through out the whole year then why PUNISH them by taking away their points and wins? Just makes ZERO sense. If people dont like it then they need to watch something else.

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Did anyone else see his wheel hop as well when he took off?? They made a big deal about that a few passes before on how it would mess a run up but, Force does it and he is cheating or laying back or whatever.

I could careless either way but, Force dont seem to lay back for anything. He cant stand getting beat! Thats why he sucks up Ash and Robert's tv time when he is out of the event.

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Originally Posted by psullivan:
We have had teammates intentionally spin out or spin a competitor to get a yellow. Bobby Allen admits this in an old Open Wheel article when his teammate was Richard Lupo. Historically some sprint car races were alsi hippodrome races with the finish predetermined although this goes back many years.

Certainly, Steve Kinser, in addition to his regal standing as a competitor, was hands-down the King of reclaiming spots he gave away while barely avoiding a spin by turning some unfortunate driver around in the next turn. But that isn't the same as laying down, as this accusation implies.

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The entire premise of making autoracing comparable to stick and ball sports is absurd. It was dreamed up by some marketing genius who did not understand the sport. Overall, it waters down the basics of motorsport. It places more importance on the issues of the marketing department.

and the racing suffers

Thanks for freeing up my time NASCAR and NHRA

Is it just me, or did Force's interview seem like one you'd see on WWE Raw?
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I don't condone this action, BUT, it goes on.
Last week it took 4 pages to get the story from Anderson. This week it is on national TV. Which one generates the most PR for the next race?

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:14: Get a grip people, its a bussiness not a hobby like it is for most of us. They spend more in one round to get their cars down the track than most of us will ever to spectate. Racing in general is suffering enough already from the down economy and good sponsors are far and few between these days.

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Originally Posted by Pat O'Connor Fan:
But one's reputation follows you. If your team has a rep for pulling this BS, every time another remotely questionable situation occurs, you are going to be thought guilty. You reap what you sew.
As he stated in the interview after he and Tony P. were separated, "It is my race team and I can do what I want with it". Pretty much says it all.

John has won over 100 Wallys and 10 Championships in his career. He's gotten all that he has by performance...the fact that some think that he took a "dive" to insure Hight's position in the "countdown" really doesn't matter, especially since NHRA has decided that there's nothing there.....IMO, just sour grapes from the Pedregon brothers.

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He called force a lier and a cheater !!This is a post from pat fosters son cole about tony and cruz ! Quote:
Originally Posted by rick finch
What is the story behind the Pedregon Bros. recreation of their dad's Fiat? I was reading the tribute to Pat Foster, and it mentioned the agreed upon contract was never fully paid! ***.......... did they "stiff" him some money?

Heres the real deal on the Bro's
They were great paying there bill....................till a two week thrash to debut the car in Pomona, Dad, Dale Armstrong, Steve Davis all put in long hours to make it happen, Dad was away from home in Wichita for weeks finishing the car in California.

Dad called me to help them Bust it off,he said" buy tickets for you and Rico Cruz will reimburse you guys"

Long story short and a lesson he taught me but didn't follow in the heat of making there dream come true........."GET PAID BEFORE GIVING THE CAR TO THE CUSTOMER"

Final bill was 16 thousand (dad worked for time and material) that included rent a car plane ticket to the coast , MY RACE TICKETS.

Dad said Cruz called him and of course was whining about the Final bill, and he told dad
"pat I think 16 grand is stout , I'm only sending you half that" so they owe 8 thousand still.

Dad was really shocked that he stiffed him, they had the car ....... Dad told him he was a piece of ****................... He's world champion, Dads dead, that's it. **** em. out!!

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Originally Posted by Downey44:
:14: Get a grip people, its a bussiness not a hobby like it is for most of us. They spend more in one round to get their cars down the track than most of us will ever to spectate. Racing in general is suffering enough already from the down economy and good sponsors are far and few between these days.

And right THERE is the probelm, to these people it's no longer RACING but a BUSINESS. The problem with that is the FANS want to see RACING not corporate business decisions. If you continue to cheat the fans out of the RACING they desire due to poor choices based on BUSINESS then the fans will turn the channel, stop paying admission to races, quit buying merchendise etc. Right now NASCAR, IRL and NHRA are all suffering a loss of fan base, and you can say it's the economy but we have TVs and the internet and alot of people are not watching. And with a down economy and less people attending in person then that should mean more watching, and in reality far less are watching.

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Originally Posted by racerdog45:
And right THERE is the probelm, to these people it's no longer RACING but a BUSINESS. The problem with that is the FANS want to see RACING not corporate business decisions. If you continue to cheat the fans out of the RACING they desire due to poor choices based on BUSINESS then the fans will turn the channel, stop paying admission to races, quit buying merchendise etc. Right now NASCAR, IRL and NHRA are all suffering a loss of fan base, and you can say it's the economy but we have TVs and the internet and alot of people are not watching. And with a down economy and less people attending in person then that should mean more watching, and in reality far less are watching.

I agree one hundred percent. But i'm afraid the good old days are long gone

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Originally Posted by Kirk Spridgeon:
I don't ever remember this happening on the track in sprint cars and midgets. Can anyone think of an example?

Many times, guys have gotten into other cars in order to compete for a championship or whatever, but laying down in an event? I'll never understand that.

I am a NHRA fan, and a Force fan. I do think that he "layed over" for Robert to get the win. However, I am not sure that it is a lot different than what we see in dirt racing.

I have also seen drivers have car issues in hot laps, and jump into another car for the race program. Wasn't this an attempt to impact the outcome.

I have seen team mates get out of the way of each other for a pass, but race all of the other competitors tooth and nail for that same pass. Wasn't this an attempt to impact the outcome.


I have seen guys who were not team mates, but simply friends do the same thing. Wasn't this an attempt to impact the outcome.


I have seen numerous people back up at the end of a race to avoid going to tech. (The pay differnece between 5th and 6th did not warrant the hour in tech after the races) Wasn't this an attempt to impact the outcome.


Finally, I have seen all kinds of crazy stuff when it came to IMCA claims. People backing up to lose positions to avoid the claim. People backing up to be eligible to claim someone in the top four. People making buddy claims in order to get the motor back to the buddy. Grudge claims to take away somebody's motor. All of these are attempts to impact the outcome.

If the NHRA wants to keep people from trying to impact the points, they themselves should not try to impact the points. If there was no "Countdown", there would be no reason for Force to lay over, and there would have been a heads up race.