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Does anyone know anything new about what is going to happen? Cars? Tracks? Does anyone have any photos of the testing that has taken place? Just curious to see what has been going on.

Aaron Pollock

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Up until now we have been working on the design of the full size body. The picture shown here is a screen shot from the Computer Aided Design generated drawing or CAD file. To get to this point we made several drawings and gathered people's opinion as to what shape they were looking for. Then we built a quarter scale model of the final shape and displayed that at the Performance Industry Racing Show in December last year. The model was then scanned and the CAD file created, while we did that we could make last minute changes to the shape based on the comments made. The full size body patterns are now being machined from the CAD files. We are on schedule to display the full size bodywork at the end of the year. Next year we will begin track testing and developing the race schedule for 2011. The tracks will not likely take this project seriously until they see the new cars run. A couple of tracks are moving forward with us now and then we can add the rest to get the minimum of 5 races we need in 2011 to make this a viable series. All the chassis frames carry over into the new car and most of these chassis are prepared ready for their new body and the 2010 test program. You can keep in touch with what we are doing by visiting our website at http://www.GoldCrownChampionship.com

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Shouldn't the grill insert look like the Capitol building in DC.

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A minimum of 5 races makes a series viable? :17: Oooookay.

No the grill insert should not be the capital building in Washington. The car number should be: Obama

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So what is the point of this car and series? Isn't going back to the traditonal car what everyone wanted? Now USAC is going to create something else no one will buy nor want to watch race? Are they not learning anything from Salem last week? Let it go.
Or;
It would make more since for USAC to revive the Gold Crown series with the current "style" Dallara IRL car.....WITHOUT the Indy Honda engine, and put American drivers in them that people know and/or currently support. And run places like ORP and go back to Milwaukee since the IRL isnt...Nashville, maybe KY with the Truck Series.....have about a 14 "Oval only" race schedule.
Or;
Usac could sanction the Pro Mazda series....there seems to be and endless amount of cars and interest in them.....and they are rear engine, so it would be different type of car then what USAC went to and screwed up before.

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from the gold crown website:

I almost choked on my morning coffee when I read that.........

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That is pretty funny, if USAC is serious about that quest, they need to get a rear engine series. Didn't they have one at one time (F2000).

Somehow JR Hilbebrand is on the verge of a IRL ride and he got their without spending one minute in a USAC car, that is actually a bit sad.

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Well as we have all seen with the steady decline in Silvercrown races they need to do something and at least tracks are asking to have the Goldcrown cars come. With the Goldcrown cars being able to run larger tracks it just adds to where USAC can run.

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Now I know where all the money is going. No wonder the midgets are still racing for $2500........

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From what I know USAC is not putting money into this program it is being privately funded at this time.

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Getting excited about turning left AND right Rodney? :6:
David.

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This can be real, can it?

What a POS. Why don't they just clone a KK500 Roadster and be done with it? "For drivers wanting to advance to the famed Indianapolis 500"!!!!

The "500" is toast, devalued beyond saving. It will take radical thinking and YEARS and YEARS to bring it back. This is not the answer.

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I have 3 of them bring a engine and you can run one. Bruce has some great things going on and this stuff is going to be real exciting in a year or so.

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I have an old 1200cc mini sprint engine in the attic, will that work? :5:
David.

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Take the motor out of your wifes car.:8:

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With the huge crowds at Oswego ,ORP,and Iowa, for the Champ Car race, do you want to tempt fate again ? The last time they tried it it almost killed them.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think they are still going to run the current Champ Cars as a seperate series. I don't think they are going to replace the champ cars with the Gold Crown Cars.

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You are correct the Goldcrown div will NOT replace the silvercrown div. The Goldcrown div will also add tracks not currently run by the silvercrown div. So there are NO loosers in this deal. :8:

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I guess i don't understand the joke here. I own two new Chevy Auto's, a Chevy Malibu and Silverado truck, i also own a new Honda Accord. The Chevy is a much better car than the Honda, and it was cheaper to buy and is cheaper to insure. The Silverado is a much better truck than any of the foreign owned trucks, and i drove them all before purchasing the Chevy.

We are building great cars here and the Auto companies need our support to survive and prosper. I believe they are fighting back and the cars they are producing is testiment to that. I grew up in England and during that time the British poeple didn't support the British car industry or British Motorcycle Industry. Consequently now all the manufacturing in the UK is foraign owned. You do not want that to happen here. Please Don't believe the propaganda which tries to convince you that it makes no difference who owns the companies, and that it is more important to keep the workers employed, the money does end up going out of the country.

sorry I got a bit off tangent on this thread, but you hit on something that I and a lot of other people in this Country are very passionate about. Bottom line is we have great car companies here in the USA and race car series should promote that as best they can.

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Rodney is right here and another point that is worth clarifying, which has come up in this thread and is also in the Kevin Miller thread, is the following.

USAC is doing nothing to promote the Gold Crown Championship. In fact it's quite the opposite. They are looking to see if it will survive on its own. The series investment is solely from the current group of Gold Crown car owners, nothing from USAC, and it will only get going by the guys who own these cars, not USAC. So please don't blame them for this revival, they wanted to sweep it under the carpet as if nothing had ever happened. We as a group couldn't do that. When you have guys like AJ Foyt and Roger Penske involved with a series and these guys believe what you are doing is a good idea, then it drives you on. These two car owners and the entire group of the rest of the car owners were encouraged to be involved by NASCAR and the old management of USAC. The Gold Crown Championship does not replace any other series out there. It is intended to add something to racing and gives another option for race drivers and car owners to climb the ladder.

When we talk about the design of a car in any series there are some some interesting points to consider. Although Gold Crown will be a premier series it is also a ladder series car. This means it will introduce elements of the next step. And not all the elements. Then a driver can retain knowledge of the last series and can also participate in the last series at selected events while particiapating in the next step. The Gold Crown will have drivers from Sprint car and Silver Crown as it has front engine, upright seat, similar level of grip in the turns and HP level, so has similar levels of wheel spin. It is symmetrical, has radial tires, reduced stagger, runs on road courses and speedways, has a two speed gearbox and so has features of the next step which is NASCAR and IndyCar. Therefore you can have drivers from those series running competitively with the regular Gold Crown drivers. this was witnessed when the series did run and JJ Yeley and Carl Edwards put on a great show at some of the events. Take this to the logical conclusion and you have a good training platform for drivers and teams wishing to progress to the next level.

The Gold Crown car layout was well thought out, it worked as a driver development program, and we had 21 cars in the last race that it ran. If it weren't for that last fact this Gold Crown project wouldn't have got this far. We aren't asking any you to own one, drive one or sponsor one. In fact we really don't want you to come to a race if you believe it is a waste of your money. We do however want you to let us develop the idea and stop bashing it before it has a chance to show what it can do. This is not USAC saying this, it is the guys who got involved in the first place.

Thanks

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But that is one of the largest contributing parties in motorsports.

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Well said Bruce.

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It's funny how most threads turn into bash sessions, just after a few posted. When I started this, I just had a few questions. That I thought someone on here would have answers for, and they did. I wanted to know more about what was going on, because I couldn't find anything on the USAC web site. But now I know more about what is going on, and why I couldn't find it on the USAC web site. Thank you Ashmore Design for all of your input.

Aaron Pollock

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Your going to road race this car?

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Yes the plan is to run some road races. A test was already done and it went very well.

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Yes, roger Penske.........just look at all the positive impact he had on Can-Am, Trans-Am, Indy Car Racing, etc. While your'e getting Penske involved.....why not Patrick, Haas, etc........they could probablly do to the Gold Crown Series what hey did to Indy Car Racing. They took it to another leverl.........lower level

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Mr Ashmore, have you fallen on your head?


Knowing a thing or two about racing and fans, this is a collosal failure waiting to happen.

Best of luck to you and your "group"

:11;

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I hope this series is very successful. I will support anything within 300 miles. I don't mind road/street courses but really prefer watching ovals. Good luck Gold Crown!

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A true race fan of our sport would have nothing but positive words for what the Goldcrown group is trying to do. FACT 1, Give midget,sprint,and silvercrown drivers and owners a chance to run larger venues that with out Goldcrown they would NEVER GET A CHANCE TO DO. FACT 2, Give the same group of drivers a chance to get speedway experience on tracks larger than 1 mile (Silvercrown is down to one 1 mile track ) so to get that experience drivers are forced to go to ARCA etc. FACT 3 A driver must have speedway experience to even get NASCAR license. So every driver who wants to move up is forced to pay out a dump truck load of money and if you dont have the money you get no chance at all. The Goldcrown series will give drivers the experience on larger tracks that they must have for alot less money. So there for more guys can get there shot and get the experience they need. So what is the down side to this program?? I dont see one.

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I agree with you one this one sc96. There isn't a down side. I look forward to seeing these cars run, and would love to run one myself.

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Sounds to me like the same group of ankle biters who were in support of the last rolling ********, the "new" silver crown cars. I never saw them run, but understand they had some stellar fields.

As long as no team owner is forced to buy them.

Oh, and this "fan" has been to at least 2 Silver Crown events (Champ Dirt Cars) since 1980. Always hit the Illinois Miles, Indy Miles, IRP (ORP). Saw all the SuMar Classics and have been to several 4 Crown Nationals. I am your demographic..... and much like the last guy who tried to re-invent the wheel, alienating fans by attempting to belittle them is a recipe for failure. Almost every "fan" that I ran across on message board who were in support of the failed attempt by USAC were doing so for alterior motives. Most had no investment what so ever....

so, If I wish to see road racing, it sure as hell wont be a front engine, solid axle, two speed tube framed car. And I know my way to Elkhart Lake, Blackhawk Farms, Mid Ohio, Sebring, Road Atlanta etc.

Best of Luck

ps - NASCAR, using them as a model for anything is a bad idea.

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To all of the naysayers, STFU! As the one gentleman said, the team owners are doing this ON THEIR OWN! Can you at least respect the fact that they are trying to make the cars more entertaining and "appealing". And as has already been stated, nothing in your cherished Silver Crown/Sprint world is going to change with the re-introduction of these cars.

So why not, sit back, shut up, and just see what happens. You may just be surprised.

Good luck to everyone involved in this project.

P.S.: Don't forget, you can always sanction yourselves. The small block supermods at Oswego are this way, and they seemed to have a very well run group.

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So you don't watch the Cup, Nationwide, or ARCA road races then huh?

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I am totally on board, completely supportive and can't wait for this series to get started. I'm through with CART reborn

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So you are calling A.J Foyt, Darryl Guiducci, Steve Weirech,Sam Pierce,Ron Hemmelgarn,Carl Edwards, I could go on ankle biters YOU ARE A MORON!!!!!!!. All of the named above were involved from the start and if those gentlemen are who you consider ankle biters I and several thousand others would be very proud to be ankle biters.:26::11;

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To Hubie: Who bit you in the butt? If you don't like what we are doing don't go. Maybe we don't like what you are involved with but we aren't trying to pee on your parade.

To Bruce Ashmore: If all of these posser's (I'm sorry I meant posters) knew what you have gone through and are going through to get the Gold Crown going they probobly woundn't believe it. He is single handidly doing every thing. Not just design work but the sourcing of the parts, body, potential schedule, sponsors etc.etc. He is truly a one man band. Some of this by choice some not.
As said earlier USAC IS NOT INVOLVED. They may come on later as the sanctioning organization...maybe not. Through the generocity of several Gold Crown series owners ( you guys know who you are) Bruce is able to see his vision go forward. I'm proud to be a part of it and hope to continue on WHEN it is revived.

Rodney (sc96) : Thanks for holding our end up!! It does not go unnoticed.

To all who support the project thank you...to those who do not you are going to miss an oportunity to add a new level to racing.

Jim Paternoster

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I can't wait to see the new Gold Crown series in action. I'm sure most of the ney-sayers would agree, had this series not replaced the traditional Silver Crowns in the first place. But it happened, the mistake has been rectified, (thanks USAC for bringing back the traditionals) and now it's time to ADD the Gold Crowns.
To echo what others have said, I don't see the problem with adding something new and different to watch, especially if it gives short trackers another destination to strive for.
As for Mr. Ashmore's comment about USAC not promoting them, I agree but also can understand why. Not to defend USAC, but being realistic, they have so many irons in the fire right now. And most of those irons are having severe problems. Maybe the Gold Crowns are not high on their "to do" list right now. Hopefully when the Gold Crown debut draws near (2011?) they will put on a full court press, in the promotional department, for the Gold Crowns, time will tell. If not, as someone else said, sanction and promote yourselves, it's a good product. :6:
David.

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BFD !!

I've been to LeMans 24 hour, Spa-Francorchamps, Reims 12 Hour, Trier, etc.
I even ran a couple laps around the LeMans course in my 1963 A-H Sprite the night before the 1964 24 Hour event.

But I still want to see the Gold Crown series succeed.

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I'm jealous...all tracks I dream of driving in anger:6:

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Bruce Ashmore forgot more about racing before he was 30 than you'll ever know. The man's designed championship winning race cars for TWO DIFFERENT CHASSIS COMPANIES!


Yeah, who would want what NASCAR has? Million dollar sponsors, STILL 60,000+ fans at each race, daily television coverage and wall-to-wall race weekend coverage, why would anyone want to be that successful? :17:

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Watching Bristol and the Whelen Modifieds are running with Ryan Newman and Kasey Kane. Maby the Gold Cup cars are already made and racing. A couple snips on the roof or leave them alone. Not bad racing going on for 150 laps. Engines are 360's.

Lynn