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I thought I saw earlier where it was to be on tonight, but it's not on the schedule I see? what time????

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Sat. 10pm to 1am Eastern time on Speed. Tonights live simulcast is on Hoseheads.com. Hoseheads live. 830est

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Thank you

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Sat. nites "B","A" mains were washed out....sched. for 7:00pm Sun. ......baring more showers due in the area Sun.!!.........
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The backstretch grandstands are really showing the lack of fan support for this type of train racing.After all of the money that has been spent upgrading knoxville now they really need to fix the racing because it really sucks with the wings on there.

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I bet there are more people at the Nationals this year than any two USAC shows put together. You are really dreaming if you think they'll ever take the wings back off for the Nationals. If you don't like watching the best sprint car drivers in the world just change the channel.

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To each his own I guess. And as for the fans thing....they have twice the seating at knoxville and if non-wing had a race that paid that much at a venue that could hold that many people id be willing to bet itd be just as full if not fuller than it is for the wing show. The wing is just a crutch in my eyes, i prefer the nothing but ruts and guts approach!!

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Boo Hoo wing racing is terrible, freight train races, thats all I here from some of you. How about you appreciate it? Like it or not, Winged Sprint Car racing is the most mainstream form of dirt racing. Personally, I really don't care whether or not its winged or non-wing, both equally great and exciting to me. I'd rather watch a bad sprint car race than any late model race any day.

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"Sprint car racing is the most mainstream form of dirt racing"---***???? You must be from Ohio or Pennsylvania (since you seem to have a love of wings).

You really need to do your homework. Dirt late models and modifieds both far out number sprints. Unless you live in OH, PA, IN (and finally some in IL), you have to drive there to see sprints on any given weekend. By the way, have you ever seen a dirt late model race at Tazewell Tennessee? If not, you might want want to reconsider that last statement. I've been going to races for 40 years and everytime I'm at Tazewell my hair stand up on my arms. It's that good. Don't knock it if you haven't been there.

Get a copy of the National Speedway Directory and compare how many dirt tracks run sprints as a feature class versus late models or modifieds. If I remember correctly, there are only about 20-22 tracks east of the Mississippi that run 410 sprints as a regular class. That's out of about 300 dirt tracks.

I wish it were the other way around.

Oh, and concerning attendance at a big paying non wing show, perhaps you remember the Mopar Million at Eldora? The economy was still pretty good then and I don't think they had as many people as Knoxville did tonight. Non wing racing is the best, but it will never outdraw winged racing. And that's okay. More room for me.

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I love both winged and non-winged racing, whats wrong with that? And yes, winged racing is more mainstream. Lets say you take an average dirt race fan from, I don't know, Idaho? A place where neither non winged sprints or winged are ran, and asked them who Steve Kinser, Donny Shatz, or Joey Saldana is, what they race, their car number, etc. , and quite a bit will know. You ask the same fans who Dave Darland, Jerry Coons Jr, or Tracy Hines is, and most likely, less will know of them. I'm not saying winged racing is more popular as far as tracks that run them, outside of Cali, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Iowa/North Dakota, not many places run them on a weekly basis at multiple tracks. But there are the icons in dirt track racing that are more relevant than others. The # 11 Sprint Car is arguably the most famous dirt track race car EVER. I would LOVE to see USAC as popular as the World of Outlaws, but unfortunately it isn't outside of Indiana. As far as late models, Yes I am from Ohio(late model country,) and I would much rather watch a sprint car race, winged or non-winged than one. They're fun to watch(helluva lot better than modifieds,) but nothing can compare to the speed and excitement of sprint car racing.

Whats wrong with liking winged sprint cars? I grew up watching them at KC Raceway and am attached to them. Until recently racing often in Indiana, I had never really been exposed to non-wing sprint cars, but after watching races at Lawrenceburg, Twin Cities, and Bloomington, I've grown attached to them too. I've seen about equal amounts of winged and non-winged races the past 2 years, and I've seen plenty of good winged races, and plenty of bad ones also. Same deal with non winged, seen lots of great ones, and lots of bad ones. Both are equally great forms of racing, stop acting like winged sprint cars are inferior to the traditional sprints.

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Just some fyi I grew up watching winged sprint cars because my dad raced one. I loved it, I watched the likes of chuck amati, jeff gordon, kasey kahne and to many others to list. I did not state that one was inferior to the other, I just believe that non-wing racing is much more exciting and fun to watch. The simple fact is it boils down to money. The least the WoO series runs for is 10k, which in turn is double what USAC runs for during some of the biggest races of the year(sprint week). As for the mopar million it was a one time deal, I guarantee if they had a race at eldora every year with 150k to the winner theyd be having an E main as well, and the place would be packed. I also read on speeds website that the race wouldnt be on tv tomorrow, in which case I would be killin someone if I was WoO considering they have to pay to have it covered on tv(not sure if the do for the nats tho), but if they do I wouldnt be happy. I guess I just wish the least amount of money USAC or MSCS for that matter was equal to WoO's payout, like to see the car and crowd turnouts then.:22:

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Not according to Dave Argabright's facebook page. There will be no tv coverage of the finals on Sunday.

:23:Rant on Speed is to busy guzzling the NASCAR koolaid to realize there is real racing verses the crap NASCAR tries to pawn off as racing. We get a has been (Spencer) and a never was (Wallace) or if you think about the line from Animal House: "A whimp and a blimp" blabbering on about how a driver should have done this or a driver should have done that to win. Trust me you two JA's, if what you say were true then you'd be driving the cars. But wiat, you two suck so bad no one will hire you to drive. Then after that we get Wind Tunnel where if it isn't NASCAR or a motorcycle it is relegated to the end of the show. Enough Dave. We know Junior nation will always be pissed their driver sucks, oops, gets jobbed out of wins and motorcycles give you a stiffy. Then followed by Wrecked or some other half assed "reality show" Speed has poorly put together to fill the airwaves. I'd prefer white noise as that would atleast be entertaining.Rant off:22:

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On SpeedTV.com, it's listed as Friday at 8pm. http://www.speedtv.com/schedule/filter/date/2009-8-21

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Seems to me that this whole wing/nonwing argument is a bit stupid....

It's racing....

It's sprint car racing....

It's on TV....

Who cares if the stands are full or not? Who cares if the racing is a bit of a freight train show?

The Nationals have a 50 year tradition, and they have always paid the teams the best purse...if USAC fans would turn out in the numbers seen at Knoxville over the years, they'd likely have a "national" event. And while the Oval Nationals can be seen by some as a "national" event, its purse(12K or so to win) pales when compared to Knoxville(150K to win).

Complain all that you want to, its your right... but you cannot knock the success of Knoxville and the Nationals....You can dislike the racing, but like I said...it's on TV, it's sprint car racing......And how can that be bad?

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Dick, Dave said no tv coverage of it on Sunday. I am not sure where AustinSprinter got the Sunday at 7 time from.

Taped delay may work but O Friday night I will be thinking of Springfield and the Tony Bettenhausen 100 the next day.

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My thoughts exactly!:6::6::6:

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:8::8::8:Once again unecessary comments from non-wingers. Like you,I like both non-wing/wings. People just dont get it on this forum.

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WINGS RULE AND ALWAYS WILL. :9:

Number 1, you don't read where someone is getting hurt every week in a winged car like they do in "NON WINGY'S" and Number 2 there wasn't any passing in the Oskaloosa race either. Hockett & Darland started on front row and thats how they finished.

Non wingys are out of controll most of the time, thats why everybody is running into each other like last night at Putnamville.

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Were you there last night? Or did you just watch DO's video and decide "everybody is running into each other" ??

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John, please don't quote guys like motormusher. They are on my Ignore List, but their rants do appear on my session when someone quotes their nonsense. Thanks.

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wow!

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My BAD guys!!...musta read more into it than was there!!......
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Some of us around here won't crucify you for making a mistake.

Too bad I am not one of them. Of all the :21:ing stupid :21: one could do you chose to do that? Just kidding :3::6:

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Was that "rant" from Dave A., or someone else's thoughts?

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My thoughts Jason. Dave wouldn't say anything like that.

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:5: No problem I have a few on my list too

People wonder why the stands are not filled for WoO events, the simple answer is they raised the prices of tickets too high. 35.00$ is too much for a sprint car race. We used to go to all the WoO races at the local tracks and we would go to the kings royal every year, but it' gotten too expensive with the travel and ticket prices. IMO they really screwed up by not running a lot of the smaller tracks that made them what they were to begin with, I mean come on, no race at the Kings home track.
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Are you serious.I would bet you was no where near Iowa this week.I was and even the locals went wild during the non-wing races.Feature race was great battle between Hockett and Darland.There was more passing in the first non-wing heat then all of the monday night wing race.And as far as racers getting hurt all sprints can be dangerous,just ask Brooke Tatnell and Ricky Montgomery both with badly broken legs all in the last week with wings.

Chuck