305 wingless sprints?
 

Who out there thinks that this concept would be popular as a traveling series in the Indiana and surrounding areas on dirt.:31:

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Tonight they announced that 305s were going to run in addition to the USAC show at Knoxville tomorrow, so we will get a chance to see how entertaining they are. I assume that this is winged 305s, but I could be wrong.

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It COULD work. Fremont and Attica run 305's and 410's on a weekly basis, with 25-35 410's and 30-40 305's.

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There is a local track in Oklahoma around the Okc area that is going to try 305 "carb" non-wing sprint next year. More of an economy type of sprint. The interest is there in the ramblings from the pits but we all know ramblings mean nothing when the cars take the track

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Originally Posted by Panama:
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Usac ran 305 ci steel engines for years! Great racing ask rollie beale gary bettenhausen tom bigelow larry dickson steve chassey plenty of afordable cars!!!!!!!!

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This is exactly what SCORA should be. Lots of used parts available in the Ohio area. After two years make them run steel wheels 14" RR 12" LR. Make it where a guy could put a decent Md. or street stock motor in it. JMO

Bob Shutt

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Originally Posted by jojowar:
Who out there thinks that this concept would be popular as a traveling series in the Indiana and surrounding areas on dirt.:31:

There are already pockets of 305's around. The RaceSaver is beginning to take ahold in the Dallas/Ft. Worth area. This particular group is run by Smiley Sitton. Their website is sprintseriesoftexas.com. Now, before I get called on the carpet that this is a winged series, which it is, they've been running several races a year without the wings. I believe that they would not be doing this without fan approval.

West Memphis is running a 305 class without wings on a weekly basis, and it seems to be growing. My only beef with them is that their rules don't coincide with the RaceSaver rules, so you're stuck with having to have two motors if you'd want to run both places. But, to be perfectly honest, I've not approached West Memphis with the spector of running a RaceSaver motor with them.

All this to say that, while it's still probably at least 5 years away, I think you'll see more and more 305 classes emerging.

Tim Simmons

PS - Panama, That picture - :5::5::5:

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Originally Posted by Tim:

All this to say that, while it's still probably at least 5 years away, I think you'll see more and more 305 classes emerging.

Tim Simmons

I agree but there must be severe limits on what can and can't be done with the engines to control costs. 360 sprints were suppose to be a cost effective alternative and look at what they are now? Same with the Focus series. If costs aren't limited, it will only lead to another form of racing few can be a part of.

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Originally Posted by dirtywhiteboy:
I agree but there must be severe limits on what can and can't be done with the engines to control costs. 360 sprints were suppose to be a cost effective alternative and look at what they are now? Same with the Focus series. If costs aren't limited, it will only lead to another form of racing few can be a part of.

Take a look at the website, or google RaceSaver. I think you'll be impressed by the forethought put into the rules.

Tim Simmons

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In this economy, the last thing needed is another series. Tracks are already having trouble with car counts.

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Like I said, look at how Fremont and Attica run their 305 class. $500 to win at Attica, $750 to win at Fremont, 30+ cars at every race. It doesn't take away from their 410 car count one bit either. The 305 class can work, especially non-wing, you can get a good engine for around 5-6 thousand. It would need to be centralized around 1 or 2 tracks though, unlike the traveling deal like SCORA.

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$500 to win at Attica,

Seriously?

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Originally Posted by Kevracer58:
Seriously?

yep, and the last race they had 28 cars. I'm not sure How Fremont's car count is but I'm pretty sure its similar/more

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Originally Posted by slide22:
yep, and the last race they had 28 cars. I'm not sure How Fremont's car count is but I'm pretty sure its similar/more

This is why I think this idea could potentially work...however...I think that Lawrenceburg would be the most likely canidate to try it first. They are right on the border or OH and KY and for whatever reason are having troubles getting sprint cars to show up. (not sure why at $1,500 to win $225 to start)

But the AMSA mini sprints are getting over 20 every night. But see...they also run mini sprints at a lot of places in Ohio.

305's could work at the Burg, but I think they'd have to start off running them winged.

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Originally Posted by cmiracingvids:
This is why I think this idea could potentially work...however...I think that Lawrenceburg would be the most likely canidate to try it first. They are right on the border or OH and KY and for whatever reason are having troubles getting sprint cars to show up. (not sure why at $1,500 to win $225 to start)

But the AMSA mini sprints are getting over 20 every night. But see...they also run mini sprints at a lot of places in Ohio.

305's could work at the Burg, but I think they'd have to start off running them winged.

Personally I think Lawrenceburg is a better winged track than nonwinged, so I think that would work pretty well. Also the location would work, because its over 4 hours from Attica, so you're really not going to steal cars or compete with them. There are a few cars south of Columbus they may draw over though.

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305 wing sprints at the burg sounds like a idea good, i would run i checked in to 305 at attica and fremont but the 3+ hr drive wouldnt workout. Nonwing 410 wing 305, mods and minis should be a great weekly show at a great track.

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Originally Posted by Tim:
There are already pockets of 305's around. The RaceSaver is beginning to take ahold in the Dallas/Ft. Worth area. This particular group is run by Smiley Sitton. Their website is sprintseriesoftexas.com. Now, before I get called on the carpet that this is a winged series, which it is, they've been running several races a year without the wings. I believe that they would not be doing this without fan approval.

West Memphis is running a 305 class without wings on a weekly basis, and it seems to be growing. My only beef with them is that their rules don't coincide with the RaceSaver rules, so you're stuck with having to have two motors if you'd want to run both places. But, to be perfectly honest, I've not approached West Memphis with the spector of running a RaceSaver motor with them.

All this to say that, while it's still probably at least 5 years away, I think you'll see more and more 305 classes emerging.

Tim Simmons

PS - Panama, That picture - :5::5::5:

Hey Tim,
I couldn't resist a feeble attempt at a little humor.
I love sprintcar racing in any variety or venue. I just thought instead of the old "beating a dead horse" I would throw that picture in because, as much as it has already been discussed, I can't ever see an encono sprint class taking hold in Indiana.
But I have been wrong before, I think, maybe?

I am sure if a series get started, you'll see me there watching.
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Originally Posted by Panama:
Hey Tim,
I couldn't resist a feeble attempt at a little humor.
I love sprintcar racing in any variety or venue. I just thought instead of the old "beating a dead horse" I would throw that picture in because, as much as it has already been discussed, I can't ever see an encono sprint class taking hold in Indiana.
But I have been wrong before, I think, maybe?

I am sure if a series get started, you'll see me there watching.
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I really don't consider 305's an econo class, just a cheaper alternative to 410 racing. I Consider econo classes spec engines, shocks, basically anything spec so people don't have to spend money.

305 C.I steel block, steel wheels, flat or dished wing, DT-3 or MC-3 and go race. Use Attica/Fremont rules and can build a competitive car for the price of a mini sprint.

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Fremont ran their 305 sprints wingless during the finale of Ohio Speedweek. THey put on a pretty good show. You could tell a lot of them are not used to running without the wing.

If anyone is interested in the 3054's. THey are running a 3-5 vrs. 360 race at Lima on Friday. I think it continues on Saturday at Fremont.

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Why on earth does anyone think that they need to have a traveling "economy" series? As I've said before, the SCORA was just as stupid an idea because you shouldn't have an economy class travel. Start out with a couple tracks - Friday, Saturday and Sunday possibly and build from there. If the class is able to grow then maybe you could have a deal where different tracks would host some type of Sprint week type deal or possibly a UMP summernationals type mini series with a point fund but first build a solid foundation. A good start up division would be good for the sport of sprint car racing but asking those guys to add travel expense racing at different tracks just doesn't make sense to me.:15: