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Smoke wins Daytona, what a finish.

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:8::6::8:

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awesome finish!!!!!!!!!!! i love seeing kyle ass hole get smoked like that! pun intended!:6::22:

that was great..poor ole kyle...he would have done it also..right turn clyde
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Woo hoo!! :8: :8:

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Let me see..............
Former sprint car, Silver Crown, Midget, and TQ star wins big NASCAR race. How many IRL races have been won recently by any former sprint car, Silver Crown, Midget, and TQ star? None, you say?
Maybe, just maybe, the firing of TG was karma for all of us American open wheel fans!! :8:

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How do you think Steve Kinser and Jack Hewitt got a chance to run the 500 - do you think those teams just decided to pick them?

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Tony George's "Original" concept of the IRL was brilliant!
It just could not get the financial support it needed to survive a racing series war.
I would like to know how much of the Hulman fortune went toward trying to make it work.
My hat is off to him for trying, I only wish it would have worked.
But I personally do not blame him for the original concept failing.

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Stupid move by Busch, I thought that Tony couldnt have beaten him to the line anyway. I guess thats what you get for blocking. Unfortunately a whole bunch of other cars got tore up in the process.

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Two real racers that can't stand running second. Their effort is special men. Makes you squirm in your seat to watch. Rough outcome for the poor mechanics. Did you notice there was no people in the backstretch grandstands at all?

Lynn

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:8::8::8::8::8::8::8::8::8::8: good job smoke!!!

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Did you also notice the empty seats in the upper decks in the front stretch. Busch might have won anyway if he hadn't wrecked half of the field trying to block Smoke. Ryan Newman got the lucky dog on the last yellow with about 10 to go and drove from 29 to finish 19. Funny how these open wheel guys do so well in the taxi cabs. :22:

Vern Plotts

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Tony Stewart is the definition of what every racecar driver wants to be. He deserves what has happened to him this season and I hope it continues. Tony Loves winning at Daytona. Sucks for Kyle but thats plate racing. Smoke I hope this luck follows you the rest of the year!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by Pat O'Connor Fan:
Let me see..............
Former sprint car, Silver Crown, Midget, and TQ star wins big NASCAR race. How many IRL races have been won recently by any former sprint car, Silver Crown, Midget, and TQ star? None, you say?
Maybe, just maybe, the firing of TG was karma for all of us American open wheel fans!! :8:

I disagree unforutnately. The guy that is now in charge is already screwing things up by going to give the naming rights to the greatest race in the world, and putting up ads on the walls. I understood but disagree wth the time change deal they had to do, but this is just rediculous.

The days of open wheelers going to Indy are over... unless it's in a stock car.

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Originally Posted by psullivan:
How do you think Steve Kinser and Jack Hewitt got a chance to run the 500 - do you think those teams just decided to pick them?

I agree with you wholeheartedly...from '96 through...well now if you count Ed Carpenter and Sarah Fisher...TG has helped open wheel drivers make it to Indy...and yes I know Ed is there because its family...but he's still there. I, for one...or two I guess...applaud Tony George for his efforts even though they failed...and I still love watching the Indy Cars...there are very few in the series who don't belong there...um, Milka. I would love to see our midget and sprint guys make it to the IRL, but who is to say they could beat the guys and gals that are there now? Just like Dixon and Briscoe couldn't win at Gas City or Bloomington, I don't believe Jones or Darland...and I'm a huge Dave Darland fan...could win at Iowa or Watkins Glen in an IndyCar...I know it's all about money...but you aren't going to convince me that the drivers that are there now don't belong there. The owners have to do what they have to do to field a team, drivers do what they have to do to get a ride...that's just how it is. I would love to have it like it was in the 50's and 60's...but it ain't gonna happen, so can every thread that mentions IndyCars stop ending up in the same dead-horse beating conversation! Get over it already and just enjoy the racing!!!

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Originally Posted by Jim Halpert:
I agree with you wholeheartedly...from '96 through...well now if you count Ed Carpenter and Sarah Fisher...TG has helped open wheel drivers make it to Indy...and yes I know Ed is there because its family...but he's still there. I, for one...or two I guess...applaud Tony George for his efforts even though they failed...and I still love watching the Indy Cars...there are very few in the series who don't belong there...um, Milka. I would love to see our midget and sprint guys make it to the IRL, but who is to say they could beat the guys and gals that are there now? Just like Dixon and Briscoe couldn't win at Gas City or Bloomington, I don't believe Jones or Darland...and I'm a huge Dave Darland fan...could win at Iowa or Watkins Glen in an IndyCar...I know it's all about money...but you aren't going to convince me that the drivers that are there now don't belong there. The owners have to do what they have to do to field a team, drivers do what they have to do to get a ride...that's just how it is. I would love to have it like it was in the 50's and 60's...but it ain't gonna happen, so can every thread that mentions IndyCars stop ending up in the same dead-horse beating conversation! Get over it already and just enjoy the racing!!!

Milka Dunno is there because of money

Sarah Fischer - I love her, but Darland would beat her at Iowa blindfolded

the fact that guys like Darland and Stanborough can't get to Indy because of the economics of the sports prohibits any suggestion that they couldn't win there.

Tony Stewart did quite well in the Indy Cars, so would a lot of our current young open wheel talent. just because you are from Brazil and have money doesn't make you a great driver.

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Originally Posted by miledirt:
Milka Dunno is there because of money

Sarah Fischer - I love her, but Darland would beat her at Iowa blindfolded

the fact that guys like Darland and Stanborough can't get to Indy because of the economics of the sports prohibits any suggestion that they couldn't win there.

Tony Stewart did quite well in the Indy Cars, so would a lot of our current young open wheel talent. just because you are from Brazil and have money doesn't make you a great driver.

Castroneves, de Ferran, Kanaan=great drivers...you may not like them, but they are great drivers. Dixon, Franchitti, Briscoe, Wheldon, Wilson, Hunter Reay, Rahal, Doornbos...these guys have proved their worth..now you have a point with guys like Matos, Moraes, Mutoh, in my opinion Danica, and this weekend Antinucci...but you can't lump all Brazilian, or foreign drivers in the same group. And I'm not an idiot, I know Hunter Reay and Rahal are American, but they are there because of money as well. Not saying Darland, Stanbrough, etc. couldn't win...but they most likely would not for quite a few years if you tossed them right in. Would you expect any of the drivers mentioned above to win a dirt sprint race immediately...even if they were given a Kunz or Stewart car...no. Darland wouldn't beat Sarah at Iowa in an Indycar either...just like Sarah wouldn't beat Dave in a sprint or midget...experience is very important and unfortunately owners want drivers with experience going right and left...it is required nowadays. That's why our guys are going down south...they run two road courses a year...not a major deal if you suck twice out of 36 times. It is a big deal if you suck nine or ten out of 17.

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Early in the history of the IRL a person with some inside info told me that one of the miscalculations was that it was believed that some of the top USAC owners would become owners of IRL teams - that didn't happen - and when St Pete went on the IRL schedule - thus abandoning the original business plan - it was over for most short track oval racers. Imagine what would change if NASCAR went to a 50/50 road course-oval schedule. Yet, there are so many things Tony did do. He put Jay Drake in the Pro Series for a full year and gave Davey Hamilton another shot at Indy. Another story, after Brian Tyler got his ride bought out from under him just before the 500 - Tony went to that team and told them that they owed it to Brian to take him through the Rookie test - and that happened. Interestingly, the one championship left of the Tony Stewart resume above was the one he captured in 1997 - the IRL crown. The posts above are also correct - many of the top drivers in the IRL went through a similar ladder system in their country starting with Karts and through various Formula series - they worked hard at it too. Are there exceptions. Sure. Yet, in spite of the hype, guess what - NASCAR doesn't have the all the best stock car drivers in the world either, some are there on the basis of something other than merit be it luck or money. Funny thing, ponder some of your peers and upper management at your jobs and you will find that what happens in racing happens in all facets of life -- it's generally summed up in the cliche 'LIfe isn't fair'. After a race at Pikes Peak - I think around 1999 - a driver with short track driving experience was complaining about what the IRL should do. After a bit I said "Hey, _______ you've raced against Dave Darland haven't you? He said "of course." I then asked "how often do you beat him?" He laughed and said , "he generally kicks my butt." So I said "How many times has Dave ran the Indy 500?" He driver paused and said "I get your point."

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Originally Posted by ColoradoFan:
Did you also notice the empty seats in the upper decks in the front stretch. Busch might have won anyway if he hadn't wrecked half of the field trying to block Smoke. Ryan Newman got the lucky dog on the last yellow with about 10 to go and drove from 29 to finish 19. Funny how these open wheel guys do so well in the taxi cabs. :22:

Vern Plotts

I was surprised at all of the empty seats on the front stretch. The complete empty section on the back looked terrible for TV.

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When will NASCAR realize that they can't keep letting everyone beat up on poor Kyle Bush at every race if the want to keep the fans in the stands :11; :26::26:

Way to go SMOKE :22: I appreciated Smoke trying to apologize in the winners circle BUT I don't think he did anything wrong :9::9::9:

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:8: Congrats to ya tony stewart on a hard earned and very fair finish. You continue to represent your roots proudly!

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Tough finish for everyone. Tony wasn't proud in his interview. Even though it went like it should, it is still good that Kyle did not get hurt. That was a hard hit. And how about Kasey, wow. That too was a hard hit. Glad to see they are ok. Now; someone tell me what Sliced Bread was doing? Spotter screaming go low, he has a clear view of Kyle sitting in the middle of the track and the wreck happened several seconds before, but he still slams into Kyle's driver side door wide open. That is the one that usually does the deed.

Regardless, it was a good race. Stands not full. Happy for Smoke. May be the best there is, was. Just my thoughts.

pg

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Smoke sure "HAD IT HIS WAY" last night, HA HA good run Tony

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Correct me if I'm wrong but did'nt Sarah do just that @ Winchester in a midget or was Dave not there. Thought I remember it being a USAC Show.

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that was the first nascar race i remember jumping out of my seat screaming at the tv.........i loved every second of that finish!

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Originally Posted by Great Scott:
I was surprised at all of the empty seats on the front stretch. The complete empty section on the back looked terrible for TV.

I was listening to MRN Radio on the way home last night and Barney Hall & Joe Moore were commenting on the crowd at Daytona. They both said that they were surprised with the economic situation that they had that big of a crowd. Apparently the empty seats weren't as many as they expected.

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Congrats Smoke!!!! I missed the NASCAR Race, was at Oswego watching the Supermodified action; will have to watch Speed Report and/or NASCAR Victory Lane tonight, from everyones post it sounds like I missed an exciting finish. (Also glad I decided to buy a new laptop this week, 17 days without computer access especially with Sprint Week action next week would have left me with IOW withdrawal when my brothers computer headed west.)

Smoke 2009 NASCAR Champion, that's my prediction!!!!!!!!!!!

Patti

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Originally Posted by Mud Packer:
I was listening to MRN Radio on the way home last night and Barney Hall & Joe Moore were commenting on the crowd at Daytona. They both said that they were surprised with the economic situation that they had that big of a crowd. Apparently the empty seats weren't as many as they expected.

On my way home from South Buxton, after watching Limaland and Eldora Modified racer Jeff Babcock celebrate the 4th of July in Canada by handily taking $1000 from our regulars, I listened to MRN as well. They mentioned that the July race always sells way less tickets then the 500, and that the backstretch is always closed off. As for if this is the media friendly statement, I do not know.

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Originally Posted by TeamCGR:
Tough finish for everyone. Tony wasn't proud in his interview. Even though it went like it should, it is still good that Kyle did not get hurt. That was a hard hit. And how about Kasey, wow. That too was a hard hit. Glad to see they are ok. Now; someone tell me what Sliced Bread was doing? Spotter screaming go low, he has a clear view of Kyle sitting in the middle of the track and the wreck happened several seconds before, but he still slams into Kyle's driver side door wide open. That is the one that usually does the deed.

Regardless, it was a good race. Stands not full. Happy for Smoke. May be the best there is, was. Just my thoughts.

pg

I noticed the same thing on the replays, what was sliced bread doing? :14:

I am no Busch fan but admire his hunger and drive for winning. I was very glad to see him climb from the car and head for the pits to have a "conference" with someone, before the officials reminded him of his obligatory trip to the infield care center.

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Originally Posted by IndyBound:
Congrats Smoke!!!! I missed the NASCAR Race, was at Oswego watching the Supermodified action; will have to watch Speed Report and/or NASCAR Victory Lane tonight, from everyones post it sounds like I missed an exciting finish. (Also glad I decided to buy a new laptop this week, 17 days without computer access especially with Sprint Week action next week would have left me with IOW withdrawal when my brothers computer headed west.)

Smoke 2009 NASCAR Champion, that's my prediction!!!!!!!!!!!

Patti

Hi Patti, I agree. Smoke gets another Championship. I am running a pole on Coleman's web site and it is a close race between Kyle, Jeff and Tony. Pretty cool. How was Oswego? 4 weeks until we run there with the Silver Crown Car. Testing the week after next locally.

Off to Kokomo today.... Cheers.

pg

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I personally think Pat Sullivan and Mr. Halpert have this nailed down. Great intentions gone wrong because of the influence of sponsorship dollars. To a lesser extent, that has always been the case, I guess. But now in these times, and we are talking millions of dollars, not thousands like it used to be, I am afraid I see no end to this in the near future. I have never agreed totally with TG, but I respect him for his knowledge and think he had a great original idea to start the IRL. Let the bashing begin.........

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Originally Posted by IndyBound:
Congrats Smoke!!!! I missed the NASCAR Race, was at Oswego watching the Supermodified action; will have to watch Speed Report and/or NASCAR Victory Lane tonight, from everyones post it sounds like I missed an exciting finish. (Also glad I decided to buy a new laptop this week, 17 days without computer access especially with Sprint Week action next week would have left me with IOW withdrawal when my brothers computer headed west.)

Smoke 2009 NASCAR Champion, that's my prediction!!!!!!!!!!!

Patti

Patti,

What are you thinking?:15: You go to Oswego and don't even give us an update on the supers.:14: Shame on you.;) Get that new laptop fired up and give us some results, PLEASE. I realize that you are spoiling that grandson but he has to sleep sometime doesn't he?:3:

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To those who chose to tell me I was so wrong to post a hint at what I think has happened to so-called "big time" American open wheel racing, I hope you all enjoy watching Raphael Khadaffi and 19 other household names participating in the next CART Lite, oops -- I meant IRL, race to be held on a street course expertly laid out over the public thoroughfares in beautiful Duparquet, Quebec. Now excuse me while I rush out to the K-Mart or Wal*Mart for one of Raphi's new t-shirts, which I'm sure will be displayed right in front of the ones for ol' what-are-their-names, oh yeah, Earnhardt and Gordon.

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Originally Posted by Pat O'Connor Fan:
To those who chose to tell me I was so wrong to post a hint at what I think has happened to so-called "big time" American open wheel racing, I hope you all enjoy watching Raphael Khadaffi and 19 other household names participating in the next CART Lite, oops -- I meant IRL, race to be held on a street course expertly laid out over the public thoroughfares in beautiful Duparquet, Quebec. Now excuse me while I rush out to the K-Mart or Wal*Mart for one of Raphi's new t-shirts, which I'm sure will be displayed right in front of the ones for ol' what-are-their-names, oh yeah, Earnhardt and Gordon.

Congrats to Raphael Khadaffi for winning at Watkins Glen today...oh yeah...I mean Justin Wilson. But seriously a big thumbs up to Dale Coyne for finally putting one in the win column...it's been a long 25 years! I go to Wal*Mart everyday and I don't see any racing shirts at all...where are you going? You remind me of my dear old dad who can't stop telling the same Vietnam story over and over again...I respect what he did and understand the hell he went through, but at some point you have to leave the past behind. And last time I checked...Indianapolis, Homestead, Mid-Ohio, Kentucky, Iowa, Richmond, Watkins Glen, Sonoma, Motegi, Chicagoland, Texas, and Milwaukee aren't street courses.

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You go to Walmart????????:15::15::15:

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The only thing that can correct this problem is very simple. Put the dirt cars on the miles and let the points count towards the IRL championship. Just like the old days. Of all the cars we built during those days, they were the cheapest we had to run, compared to the oval and road race chassis. I was so lucky to be part of that, because we knew we had a real Champion. We might loose Penske and many drivers because of the change. This is the chance that Darland, Whitt, Windom, Clauson, Hines, Jones and other Americans need. I like the sound of those names.

Lynn

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Pete and Mike, I guess the annual 4th of July parade was all I had on my mind this morning. They always hold it on Sunday, anyhow Oswego feature results: Otto Sitterly, Doug Didero, Dave McKnight, Joey Payne, Davey Hamilton, Greg Furlong, Pat Lavery, Keith Gilliam, Keith Shampine and Gene Lee Gibson made up the top ten. Bentley Warren finished 13th. I thought it was one of the better races I had seen at Oswego in awhile, of course I only make a few races a year there for the last eight years so maybe that isn't saying much. I was impressed with the competition and am looking foward to next Saturday, they are running a special race billed the King of Wings, they have 40 plus winged supers pre registered where they only had 22 supers scheduled to start last nights feature. Tim Snyder had trouble on the warm up laps brought his car into the pits and couldn't make it back out to start the feature.

Pete, I wish Coleman luck with his practice session and of course his racing over the next four weeks. I can't wait for the SC race at Oswego.

Patti

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No - what I responded to was this - it is too simplistic to lay the lack of short track open wheel drivers in Indy style racing on Tony George's shoulders - and I think it is naive to believe it is going to change for the better this count because he is gone.

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Anyway.Back to the Smoke wins thing.I for one am also not by any stretch of the imagination a Kyle Busch fan but I see no reason why Tony tried to appoligize other than Kyle did help push him for most of the night.Although,Tony was up to his RR tire almost when Kyle tried to block him so I dont think it was really anyones fault.Kyle did what he had to do to try and block him but Tony was already there.If Tony lifted he would have been 4th or 5th.And someone mentioned that Kyle got cut off going to "talk" with someone after the race was over.I for one time (especially if its Tony) would like for someone to not cut Kyle off and let him go say his piece.If he thinks the wall was a hard hit than Im sure Tony would change his thought process for him.Just my 2 cents that doesnt mean anything to anyone but me.

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I'm not a fan of either guy... (David Reutimann and Mark Martin fan) but wow, did Busch take some big hits. I'm glad he's okay. That could have been really bad. And the only blame I throw at is NASCAR, because it's fun to pile on! ;)