John Memmer has an itch ? Niflis Flip
 

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wow...

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Wow you dont see that in cali, I gotta get my ass racing out there

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That is dissapointing to say the least.

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Thanks for the always quality video D.O! There's always heresay, but thankfully your video should let everyone know how screwed up Jon was on this evening. The sad thing is that, always, there are potential young fans in the stands and they'll see this and either think this is something like WWE or RAW. That makes for good "cable TV", but if you want to gain any sort of televised, SPEED or even Versus coverage, then they want marketability. Of course Springer stuff still sells DVD's :10:

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I bet his parents are proud. Surely, there will be discipline for this idiot. Probation? Banned? something.

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M Jackson's not dead.. he's driving sprint car's at Danville....... That's funny right there....

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This isn't the first time that Memmer has performed the **** grab. It was earlier this year or last year at Twin Cities Raceway Park in North Vernon, Indiana when Memmer was DQ'd for hot lapping under yellow in a heat race. He left the track and then ran back up to the track exit and gave the flagman the ol' grab and shake.

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Multiple choice;

A. He needs a LONG visit with Dr. Phil
B. He needs a good ass whoppin'
C. He should be banned from all future MSCS events
D. He should be banned from VCS
E. He should be drug tested
F. His parents get him some jock itch powder
G. His parents should have their asses kicked for reproducing
H. ALL THE ABOVE!

It is one thing to just have a small IQ,
you shouldn't prove it by throwing 2 year old style tantrums,
but when you add the need to rub your johnson in public,
you have got yourself some serious issues there folks!

Thanks for the documented proof that he is a moron :35:

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Thats the dumbest thing i think i've ever seen at the track. I hope he never comes back. Its hard to tell the kids why an adult acts like a 2 year old:11;

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Originally Posted by OU812:
Multiple choice;

A. He needs a LONG visit with Dr. Phil
B. He needs a good ass whoppin'
C. He should be banned from all future MSCS events
D. He should be banned from VCS
E. He should be drug tested
F. His parents get him some jock itch powder
G. His parents should have their asses kicked for reproducing
H. ALL THE ABOVE!

It is one thing to just have a small IQ,
you shouldn't prove it by throwing 2 year old style tantrums,
but when you add the need to rub your johnson in public,
you have got yourself some serious issues there folks!

Thanks for the documented proof that he is a moron :35:

I'm thinking C & D should maybe be just for the rest of 2009 but all in all I agree with H.

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Do we have a "Kyle Busch" of sprint car racing!

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How does he explain his actions to the Kids in stands? Thats my question.

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Gives new meaning to the term "midget driver"

Midget Memmer...hah, that's funny right there..

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This just goes to show how stupid Memmer really is. He has been warned several times over the past few years for his stupidity and on track actions! Hopefully MSCS and the VCS will take propper action and get rid of this goon before he runs over an official for real.. He is far from a class act on the track, and it's a shame that the sport has to be tagged with something of his nature. You would think that in a situation like this, his car owner, Thus being his family, they would step in and take charge..... Maybee the car owners have the same mentality and IQ as John himself?

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How much methanol was needlessly wasted while the other cars made all those extra laps under yellow while Memmer threw his hissy fit?

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Got crabs ?

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TO John Memmer
I really hope your parents are proud of you. Your actions last night were tottally unacceptable. I understand you
were upset at the officials but to act like you were going to run over an official then do a crotch grab at the crowd where my 6 year old son was, well thats a problem. My son races and looks up to you drivers and to see that makes me sick. You need to look at Dave Darland and Jon Stanbrough to see how the act and take something from them or you will be selling fries at Burger King. If MSCS does not do something to you we will never see an MSCS race again!
Act like a professional race car driver and cut out the crap. P.S. My son wants to kno:11;w if you have to go potty. Out!

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and a lot of you on here call us stock car drivers who post on here hilljacks ...I THINK HE JUST GAVE A NEW MEANING TO THE WORD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I want to make something clear here before I say anything...I do not condone John's actions in the least here. He was completely in the wrong. And that's being kind. John and I had a nice chat after this incident last night, and he knows I don't agree with it. Still, I spoke to him one on one while sipping on a bottle of water that he gave me. John's a good kid, he obviously just lost control last night, and needs to think things through the next time.

However, I wish to point out that to a man, not one single person in this thread that hurled an insult or questioned the sanity of John Memmer had the respect enough to sign his name to his post. I have said it time and again on message boards just like this one for going on 15 years...It is absolutely sickening the way people sit and judge public personas while remaining totally anonymous on the Internet. You live your lives vicariously through your computer and question, berrate, pass judgement, and ridicule others all from the comfines of your home, without ever having the common decency to affix your name to something you write. Yeah, if I acted that cowardly, I might try to hide my name, too...Alas, I have a little more respect for myself, and my fellow race fans than to post hateful, angry tirades directed at others while hiding in the dark. And you folks can hate on me all you want for saying what needs to be said, but this behavior is just as unacceptable as that which you are condemning. You are not above reproach.

Besides, how would you like it if some fool had a video camera that followed you around and recorded, then posted on the Internet all the times you failed to be squeeky clean? Would you like anonymous people to question your actions on the Internet every time you had an iniquitous moment? Yeah, probably not. It must be so nice to be so damn perfect that you can so easily condemn others without even having to own your actions. Have some respect please, people. Show some common courtesy and try not to be so quick to persecute your fellow race enthusiasts. We are a dying breed and all in this together. Why do you have to hate on people so much? Why?

I will leave you with these sage words from the faithfully departed:

"I'm starting with the man in the mirror, I'm asking him to change his ways. And no message could have been any clearer...if you want to make the world a better place take a look at yourself and make a change..." - Michael Jackson

Be good humans.

Dean Mills
Race fan, fellow flawed human being

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Originally Posted by 1021gpa:
and a lot of you on here call us stock car drivers who post on here hilljacks ...I THINK HE JUST GAVE A NEW MEANING TO THE WORD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Great Post

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The whole incident was unfortunate & sad!
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Let's not get all high-wired about "what we will say to the kids". I'll give you the ABCs on that right quick. I clicked on DO's video just now, and my son came running because he heard sprint cars on the audio. He sat with me and we watched the whole ranting, raving, lunatic fringe freakout. At every turn, my 6-year old boy kept asking "Why did he do that?" I said to every question "Because he is an idiot." That was followed by "Because he is a total idiot." and "Because that driver, in that green car, is a complete and total idiot, and he needs to go away." By the end of the six minute video, my son left the room after it was done saying "Dad, that guy in the green car is an idiot. We shouldn't root for that guy." And I said "That's right, he is. And that's absolutely right, we won't."
Problem solved. Crisis averted. My son's morality not only protected, but strengthened. Now, anytime he might see some other half-wit numbskull putting his feeble concerns over every single other person's, I fully expect my son to need NO prompting by me to speak up right away and say "That guy is an idiot."
So Thank You, Memmer. That's what we parents call "A Teachable Moment."
And I didn't even have to drive the distance across state lines to sit through it while getting eaten up by bugs and dusted over.

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Originally Posted by sceckert:
Let's not get all high-wired about "what we will say to the kids". I'll give you the ABCs on that right quick. I clicked on DO's video just now, and my son came running because he heard sprint cars on the audio. He sat with me and we watched the whole ranting, raving, lunatic fringe freakout. At every turn, my 6-year old boy kept asking "Why did he do that?" I said to every question "Because he is an idiot." That was followed by "Because he is a total idiot." and "Because that driver, in that green car, is a complete and total idiot, and he needs to go away." By the end of the six minute video, my son left the room after it was done saying "Dad, that guy in the green car is an idiot. We shouldn't root for that guy." And I said "That's right, he is. And that's absolutely right, we won't."
Problem solved. Crisis averted. My son's morality not only protected, but strengthened. Now, anytime he might see some other half-wit numbskull putting his feeble concerns over every single other person's, I fully expect my son to need NO prompting by me to speak up right away and say "That guy is an idiot."
So Thank You, Memmer. That's what we parents call "A Teachable Moment."
And I didn't even have to drive the distance across state lines to sit through it while getting eaten up by bugs and dusted over.

Et tu, Steve? I find this so completely ironic that while I was writing my post, this was being written just 30 yards from me next door. Couldn't you have just said, "being an idiot", and refrained from terms like "half-witted numbskull"...? Geez.

Oh, and for the record, I totally agree with the "teachable moment" aspect of your post. That is precisely the way to approach it. The rest of it? Eh...

Whatever. I guess it's a difference of opinion. I just see no need to pile on. I think the video speaks for itself, and John, upon seeing it will likely wish to alter his approach the next time. Last night, while packing up his truck, he did reach out to apologize to the folks that run the track. I think he realizes his folly. I don't believe he is an idiot, or crazy, or any such thing. He just lost his cool. We've all done it. That doesn't make us bad humans, it doesn't make us half-wits, or anything like that. It just makes us human.

"So before you go and make up your mind...
If Christ came knocking on your door,
Dressed up like the devil, would ya let him in?
I am a Christian; I am a Buddha;
Hari Krishna, I am a Jew.
I am Satan, have Zen within me;
I have Jesus, I am human." - Sammy Hagar, 'Sympathy for the Human'

DM

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Nice posts Steve and Dean. I was there and I do not condone Mr. Memmer's actions. With that being said I have a problem with MSCS officiating. Remember this is the group that brought the 2 hour feature to Terre Haute. Didn't Terre Haute also have some drama over calls by officials. This was my first MSCS race since Haubstadt last year win the winner spun and was given his spot back, and I was not impressed. Congrats to Jon Stanbrough on the win and thank you to Mr Memmer and Mr Spiker for taking the time to talk to us in the parking lot.

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Watching this video, I ask the question of why were they lining up John behind the car that clearly shows in the part that Hunter and Triplett getting close and Triplett bringing out the caution. The car they are trying to line up in front of John is clearly a straightaway behind John when the caution come out. Can someone clarify? Or was this a scoring error?

Believe me I don't condone or think this video is funny by any means.https://www.indianaopenwheel.com/ima...e_blackeye.gif Note to John, if you get screwed on a lineup, saddle up and use that frustration on driving to the front and making a point. Nothing is more satisfying than going up to a scorer and telling them they screwed up and then asking them were you start in the feature. Then remind them they need to sharpen their pencil for the feature!

Alex Shanks

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So,what happened to start all of this? What made him go postal? Thats what I want to know? The video doesn't show what started it. What happened to get him so fired up like that? Not that there anything that would or should condone his actions but heres a good question, if he gets suspended from any future MSCS shows but apologozes on IOW does get to race next week??? LOL... John Gurley

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Heard at the truck stop last night that MSCS would have a meeting on Monday to talk about this.
Steve Eckert makes a good point in the fact of a 6 minute video. I recorded and posted what I shot so there is another 3 to 4 minutes that I didn't record that the fans had to put up with inside the track. That does count the time the spent in the pits they spent sorting torsion bars.

Fans who didn't know who John Memmer was do now after that yank the crank for the stands.

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Originally Posted by shanks39:
Watching this video, I ask the question of why were they lining up John behind the car that clearly shows in the part that Hunter and Triplett getting close and Triplett bringing out the caution. The car they are trying to line up in front of John is clearly a straightaway behind John when the caution come out. Can someone clarify? Or was this a scoring error?

Believe me I don't condone or think this video is funny by any means.https://www.indianaopenwheel.com/ima...e_blackeye.gif Note to John, if you get screwed on a lineup, saddle up and use that frustration on driving to the front and making a point. Nothing is more satisfying than going up to a scorer and telling them they screwed up and then asking them were you start in the feature. Then remind them they need to sharpen their pencil for the feature!

Alex Shanks

So,it started with a line up miss-call??There has got to be a reason why he felt that strong about what was happening....Again he did not use the best judgment but as a racer emotions tend to get the best of us in the heat of the moment but there has got to be a spark that fired him up....John Gurley

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Originally Posted by john3g:
So,what happened to start all of this? What made him go postal? Thats what I want to know? The video doesn't show what started it. What happened to get him so fired up like that? Not that there anything that would or should condone his actions but heres a good question, if he gets suspended from any future MSCS shows but apologozes on IOW does get to race next week??? LOL... John Gurley

Rule Book States The First Offense you are reprimanded and allowed to race under a watchful eye. I read the rule book, thus Robert was allowed to race....I assume this is how it will fall with Memmer...

Oh and yea.. if he is is suspended... he should def. come race with SCORA give you a even 3 rows.. 3 x 2 carry the one drop the y and...ok math come on math don't fail me.. oh yea an even 6 cars.:34:

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Originally Posted by Eagle14:
Rule Book States The First Offense you are reprimanded and allowed to race under a watchful eye. I read the rule book, thus Robert was allowed to race....I assume this is how it will fall with Memmer...

Oh and yea.. if he is is suspended... he should def. come race with SCORA give you a even 3 rows.. 3 x 2 carry the one drop the y and...ok math come on math don't fail me.. oh yea an even 6 cars.:34:

So now your pissed at me??? Whats up with this??? What did I do to you??? I wasn't there and asked some simple questions so you start in on SCORA..Stick to the post if you have something to say to me then send me a private email....

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Originally Posted by shanks39:
Watching this video, I ask the question of why were they lining up John behind the car that clearly shows in the part that Hunter and Triplett getting close and Triplett bringing out the caution. The car they are trying to line up in front of John is clearly a straightaway behind John when the caution come out. Can someone clarify? Or was this a scoring error?

Believe me I don't condone or think this video is funny by any means.https://www.indianaopenwheel.com/ima...e_blackeye.gif Note to John, if you get screwed on a lineup, saddle up and use that frustration on driving to the front and making a point. Nothing is more satisfying than going up to a scorer and telling them they screwed up and then asking them were you start in the feature. Then remind them they need to sharpen their pencil for the feature!

Alex Shanks

I totally agree, Alex. While Memmers actions went FAR beyond the line, and I'm sure he will learn from it, MSCS scoring has been questionable, quite often over the years. I understand that drivers, crew chiefs, and yes, even scorers make mistakes that affect races. But, in my opinion, MSCS seems to make more mistakes than other series. I however applaud those people trying! :8:

Originally Posted by Eagle14:
Rule Book States The First Offense you are reprimanded and allowed to race under a watchful eye. I read the rule book, thus Robert was allowed to race....I assume this is how it will fall with Memmer...

Oh and yea.. if he is is suspended... he should def. come race with SCORA give you a even 3 rows.. 3 x 2 carry the one drop the y and...ok math come on math don't fail me.. oh yea an even 6 cars.:34:

I understand their rules but there's a big difference between what ballou did (swearing at flagman) and memmer trying to hit official. In light of that I think memmer should be suspended. If he hadn't done that I can see following the rules but that one act trumps the leeway.
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Dean, I will not be retracting A WORD of my post, so..."et, tu? Oui."
When you see something that childish, over the top and relentlessly inane as the behavior Memmer exhibited, I could care less that you had a water with him after and he was contrite. His colors came to the forefront when he swerved VERY close to an official, refused to take his demotion, then went towards the crowd with his gesture, which is known to every adult as "Suck M* D***!"
Spare me the defense of the "real" Memmer. I saw the real Memmer on the video clip, trying to unhook his car from the tow truck, trying to make things as inconvenient for everyone else as he felt it was for him. These are not bursts of anger. They are indicative of a pathology.
And when you have a child posing questions about something this straightforward, you do not shade the areas of question; You stamp them in black and white. Idiot. Numbskull, etc.
I could care less what the rationale was/is/will be. It was his behavior. Does HE own THAT?
And just in case the handle isn't clear enough, this is Steve Eckert typing, in my brightly sun-lit living room. Not hiding, not living vicariously. Living My OWN dream of raising a child to not behave like Memmer when he becomes an adult, since this is the behavior that kids will exhibit before they are thoroughly taught right from wrong.
He can own his actions. I will own my actions and my words.
_________________
Steve Eckert

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I had tosay something on this i was not there so dont know what was going on but i think there had to me more to this than what we are seeing. That is not the john memmer i know and have talked to several times at the track. In my opionion john and is dad have been nothing but nice to me always happy to talk racing to anyone in the pits. that is just my opionion. I never expected to see that vidieo when i read the headline memmer has an itch. So maybe some one can tell us the whole story before we judge him im not saying i respect what he did that was wrong but i still would like to know the whole story




WE ARE NOT ALL PERFECT WE DO MAKE MISTAKES AND HOPELY LEARN FROM ALL OF THEM!!!!!!

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[QUOTE=shanks39;114464]Watching this video, I ask the question of why were they lining up John behind the car that clearly shows in the part that Hunter and Triplett getting close and Triplett bringing out the caution. The car they are trying to line up in front of John is clearly a straightaway behind John when the caution come out. Can someone clarify? Or was this a scoring error?

Your right Alex, the 17 would had to have spun out or something right after passing the stand to be that far back.

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Well stated Steve Eckert!
And you didn't even use any quotes from dead pedophiles or old rockers!

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Originally Posted by shanks39:
Watching this video, I ask the question of why were they lining up John behind the car that clearly shows in the part that Hunter and Triplett getting close and Triplett bringing out the caution. The car they are trying to line up in front of John is clearly a straightaway behind John when the caution come out. Can someone clarify? Or was this a scoring error?

Your right Alex, the 17 would had to have spun out or something right after passing the stand to be that far back.

I believe though if not all cars cross through green and the yellow come out they go back to the last completed lap like someone else on here said. We would have to see the whole lap before to know how the line up should be. If memmer had jus passed him he would have to go back to where he was running on last lap.
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Originally Posted by Joey Woods:

I believe though if not all cars cross through green and the yellow come out they go back to the last completed lap like someone else on here said. We would have to see the whole lap before to know how the line up should be. If memmer had jus passed him he would have to go back to where he was running on last lap.
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Gotcha :6:

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If john does get suspended from mscs for his actions it looks like all he has to do is show up at the next show and he is racing!!! Or does mscs not live up to what they say. In my eyes if mscs says dont bother showing up to the next few shows they should live up to what they say!! They have forgiven one for his actions. Not saying that what john did was not worse. But i guess we will see the true colors of mcsc. We will see wether you race becouse of who you are or if they treat everyone the same. If they do treat every one the same they will forgive memmer and he will be racing next weekend.

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Originally Posted by nonwingnit:
I understand their rules but there's a big difference between what ballou did (swearing at flagman) and memmer trying to hit official. In light of that I think memmer should be suspended. If he hadn't done that I can see following the rules but that one act trumps the leeway.
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Yes Ballou only had one offense at Terre Haute and he later gave a full apology to everyone here on IOW.Now Memmer, from what iv`e seen on video and heard had more than one offense at VCS during the MSCS race.Swerving at an official, and his antics toward the crowd when he stopped.This i think is very uncalled for no matter how mad u are.Then to top it off, he carried it further in the pits(from what i heard).I wasnt there, but what i saw on the video is clearly enough to suspend him from further MSCS races and VCS races.Race tracks dont need these kind of things to happen in front of the kids or anyone.
I remember a driver at Tri State Speedway several years ago(wont say name )but car number was 71m do this same thing as far as trying to hit official and not leaving the track.His antics got him banned from the track for that year.

Greg Hedge