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Does anybody know why there was such a small car count at The 'Burg on Saturday night?

Midget week and only 28 Midgets. Support series of Sprints count of 23 and 19 Mini Sprints.

Bloomington had 38 Midgets and 37 Sprints.

Kokomo had 30 plus Midgets. And I do not know how many cars ran their feature only thing.

Do the race teams have a thing against The 'Burg?

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No racing room...... tires need to be moved down 10 ft....running the midgets first put a cushion in the middle of what little room there is to race.... dont know why they dont give us all of the track to race on. saving it for another year i guess.... no racing room , fast track, equals bad accidents....... my opinion

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it had to be because of all those bikers out front. i think a lot of race teams turned around and went home when they heard or saw that. :)

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They were scared off by the big bad biker dudes. Just like you dyno doo.

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Originally Posted by dshort36:
No racing room...... tires need to be moved down 10 ft....running the midgets first put a cushion in the middle of what little room there is to race.... dont know why they dont give us all of the track to race on. saving it for another year i guess.... no racing room , fast track, equals bad accidents....... my opinion

I like that idea. Would give more of a flat on the bottom to let the cars cut the corners more. Right now the flat on the banking is too short and too close to where the banking starts.

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damn Motorcycle Gangs and their charity events are keepin them away!!:18:
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racing surface too narrow, spread out racing, cars pinched off in 2 & 4, good chance with a wreck, you'll be taking your car home in a box (maybe the driver to). Could have built a much more racing friendly track with all the same stands etc.. Put Kokomo, or Vermilion County in there with L'burg's current clay, and you would see some great competitive/closer racing. Just wasn't in the cards I guess, and it is to late now. It is what it is!

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Wow, it sure didn't take long for others to jump in and share the same thoughts that I had. Actually, a few of my thoughts...

First, the motorcycle situation most certainly takes the cake. ;) I also agree that tires should be moved in, maybe near the grass. There's a lot of room down there that's not being used, but I think could be and should be. It was my first visit to the track since the new configuration, but that was the first thing I noticed. Just a thought, not being a critic and I know the crew puts in a lot of hard work...

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Originally Posted by Shawn:
Wow, it sure didn't take long for others to jump in and share the same thoughts that I had. Actually, a few of my thoughts...

First, the motorcycle situation most certainly takes the cake. ;) I also agree that tires should be moved in, maybe near the grass. There's a lot of room down there that's not being used, but I think could be and should be. It was my first visit to the track since the new configuration, but that was the first thing I noticed. Just a thought, not being a critic and I know the crew puts in a lot of hard work...

Normally the track isn't that narrow, but the midgets running 1st kept the cushion pretty low.

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I read on the HD forum that many bikers turned around and left when they heard dyno don was going to be there.:2:

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i wish they would have built a 1/10 mile track that way the raceing would be even closer than all the 1/4 mile tracks in indiana. also i didn't hear one person complain about the raceing in the feature. good cars that were in the back had no problem coming to the front in the sprintcar feature. :)

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:5::5:

Originally Posted by mowerman:
they were scared off by the big bad biker dudes. Just like you dyno doo.

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dshort36 you are exactly right!!! I have heard your comments from a lot of owners/drivers....not a good situation...it's bad when you put additional money in the sprint car purse and still not very many teams want to race at your track!!!

SPD 37

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Maybe it's because 9th through 20th pays $225. I would think having a $40-$60,000 car would be hard to swallow. The driver usually gets 40% unless he's family or has some deal worked out before hand. You've spent $100-$150 before you ever turn a lap on admissions and fuel.

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Maybe, but that's pretty much standard...

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Lawrenceburg Speedway sprint car fields drop in numbers for several more reasons! Big track, high speeds (big wrecks), WALL, Saturday night track (run against Paragon, P-ville, Danville, sometimes Tri-State...seems like L-Burg is better suited to be a specials only race track...the average sprint car team in Indiana can't avoid to hurt their motor, their cars, or their drivers. That's why Eldora doesn't run weekly non-wing sprint car races...

SPD 37

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Originally Posted by dshort36:
No racing room...... tires need to be moved down 10 ft....running the midgets first put a cushion in the middle of what little room there is to race.... dont know why they dont give us all of the track to race on. saving it for another year i guess.... no racing room , fast track, equals bad accidents....... my opinion

The last 3 weeks of sprint races there have been zero reds, no flips and i believe not any cars destroyed, now tell me how our track tears up more cars than any other track? Our track is the widest track in the state. Yes there is alot of room down lower, but we are not racing around the lightpoles. I pay more money weekly than any other track.
Thanks for all of your support. We also have more big payout show than any other track that i know of.
Dave

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With that said, they why do you think your sprint car car counts are low!!

SPD 37

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Originally Posted by smith19:
good cars that were in the back had no problem coming to the front in the sprintcar feature. :)

You, sir, read my mind. Bet that didn't take you long. :2:

Mr. Jones and Mr. Hmeil used a lot of the track Saturday night.

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Originally Posted by SPD 37:
With that said, they why do you think your sprint car car counts are low!!

SPD 37

Very good question. I believe our car counts have been good, we have a full field each week, and if we have 24 cars we start them all and pay them all start money. The cars we do get are some of the best in the world.
One reason car counts at all tracks are down is because there are 5 tracks racing sprints on Sat. nights. We have made alot of changes this season to accommedate sprints also, such as in the feature we allow tire changes, we up our purse, we are going with a tire rule soon. We have multiple big money shows all season and to continue to do what we do we need support from the sprints. Once again, i am happy with 24 or so cars, the shows we have are top notch with the best racers in the world competing with us. I really believe more teams will open thier eyes up to see what we are doing for the sprints. Like i said in another post, our track has been very smooth and not hardly any cars tore up in multiple weeks, That means alot to a sprint teams if they can come out and race and win money and not destroy thier cars. Don't get me wrong, i'd like to see 40 or more cars show up weekly, but i can live with the caliber of cars we have been getting also.
Thanks, Dave

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Originally Posted by Danny Burton:
You, sir, read my mind. Bet that didn't take you long. :2:

Mr. Jones and Mr. Hmeil used a lot of the track Saturday night.

The racers make the track what it is to some extent. This past weekend, the cushion ended up lower than normal due to the fact that there was only 3 heats of cars(sprints) that could move the cushion up. If we would of had more sprints or ran modifieds the cushion would of been much higher. I do believe there was a few that saw the light and ran above the cushion, creating a higher cushion. One thing for sure, everyone was lucky to even get to see a race at Lawrenceburg this weekend after the bad week we had here.
Take care, Dave

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dave... i have to disagree.. the reason the cushion was so low is not because of only 3 heats of sprints but because you ran the midgets first...we enjoy and support the burg all we can and appreciate your efforts... however would like to see the tires moved down some ,not next to the light poles as there is alot of room, as to make for better and safer racing coming off the turns... don short

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I told myself I would never post on one of these things but this I cant avoid. My name is brad stevens and my father and i own a very low buget sprintcar team as many of you may know. For the better part of 9 years we spent racing around the famed lawrenceburg 1/4 mile, in those 9 years we destroyed numerous cars and blew several motors. This kept my seat time to a bare minimum each year of maybe 10 races if we were lucky. The new Lawrenceburg is a little hard on tires and puts a bit more strain on the motors, but the fact that the racing surface is much WIDER than the old 1/4 mile we have been able to avoid those 1/4 mile pile ups. I didnt get to see it first hand because I sort of had my hands full but sounds like jc lj and sh found plenty of room to make it around that narrow 4-5 lane race track. Dave has put far more than his heart and soul in this race track, he has raised the purse for u guys that can afford the motor and tires to win and done just about everything asked of him to make this one of the best tracks in the country. Dave as long as the gates are opened I will be glad to come back week after week trying with what little we have to win a race at the new famed l-burg speedway but till then Im having more fun than ever and learning more every week. With that said maybe we should lay off the L-burg crew and consoul them on the passing of a very close friend and L-burg family member.

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as a racer that runs Da Burg i think its the best and the equipment and drivers there are some of the best you will find anywhere. Now if we could just have a night where the engine runs,the mag box works and the fuel pump flows we could enjoy the place even more. I'm begining to think theres a trole living at the pit gate.

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don, i understand your point about the tires. i think one thing dave is trying to do is getting the cars off the bottom and running up high on the track. the high side makes it very exciting for the fans and at this track more passing. again i see your point....

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Originally Posted by bstevens2:
I told myself I would never post on one of these things but this I cant avoid. My name is brad stevens and my father and i own a very low buget sprintcar team as many of you may know. For the better part of 9 years we spent racing around the famed lawrenceburg 1/4 mile, in those 9 years we destroyed numerous cars and blew several motors. This kept my seat time to a bare minimum each year of maybe 10 races if we were lucky. The new Lawrenceburg is a little hard on tires and puts a bit more strain on the motors, but the fact that the racing surface is much WIDER than the old 1/4 mile we have been able to avoid those 1/4 mile pile ups. I didnt get to see it first hand because I sort of had my hands full but sounds like jc lj and sh found plenty of room to make it around that narrow 4-5 lane race track. Dave has put far more than his heart and soul in this race track, he has raised the purse for u guys that can afford the motor and tires to win and done just about everything asked of him to make this one of the best tracks in the country. Dave as long as the gates are opened I will be glad to come back week after week trying with what little we have to win a race at the new famed l-burg speedway but till then Im having more fun than ever and learning more every week. With that said maybe we should lay off the L-burg crew and consoul them on the passing of a very close friend and L-burg family member.

Thanks Brad, We appreciate your support, and we enjoy seeing you and your family each week.
Dave

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not bashing the burg crew.... only answering the topic of this post... if owners and drivers arent qualified to express their opinions i ask who is? don short

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Dave and Kim,

We are sorry we were not there on Saturday to support Lawrenceburg Speedway. Coleman had a chance to run a Midget in the POWRi, which is the only place he can run one until he is USAC eligible, which will be at the end of next month. Lawrenceburg is Coleman's favorite place to race and our favorite Track to attend. Always good racing and fast. It was also the first place to give Coleman his chance to race in Indiana so you have our undying loyalty for as long as we race Sprint Cars. If we are not there on Lawrenceburg Chevrolet Sprint Nights, it is because of other commitments, nothing else; like in 2 weeks when Coleman's older Brother Grant graduates High School back in New York and The Iceman will be there to support him.

We feel you offer a great atmosphere for racing and look forward to our trip to Southeastern Indiana every week. When we are not there, we are thinking about what we are missing. Both of you do a great job at treating your racers like Family and if there is an issue, you take it head on. AND, your Emergency Response Team is the best. They are a great group of people who really care about the drivers they are protecting and make the rounds in the pits to show them a friendly face during a "calm" time so when there is an Emergency on the track, God forbid please, the Drivers see those friendly faces in a difficult time. That means a lot to all of us on this team. Plus having Chaplain Jackie there to offer Prayer is always a pleasure. If there is anything we can do to help, never hesitate to stop by the 14 pit. It is our pleasure to race at LS.:6:

Regards,

Pete Gulick

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Originally Posted by dshort36:
not bashing the burg crew.... only answering the topic of this post... if owners and drivers arent qualified to express their opinions i ask who is? don short

Don, I appreciate your opinions, and suggestions. Believe me i get alot of them. :2:
You can add 50 more feet to the bottom but nobody will run there anyways, last weekend nobody was closer than 15 feet from the tires, except the Mini's in the feature. We could only water the bottom and then they would race there. There are a million variables in the track shap size and on and on, one big issue we face is reaching the top of the track with water, from the bottom. Right now we spray water 70 feet across and up the track from the tires.
If it was fun and easy eveyone would do it.
Thanks, Dave

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Originally Posted by TeamCGR:
Dave and Kim,

We are sorry we were not there on Saturday to support Lawrenceburg Speedway. Coleman had a chance to run a Midget in the POWRi, which is the only place he can run one until he is USAC eligible, which will be at the end of next month. Lawrenceburg is Coleman's favorite place to race and our favorite Track to attend. Always good racing and fast. It was also the first place to give Coleman his chance to race in Indiana so you have our undying loyalty for as long as we race Sprint Cars. If we are not there on Lawrenceburg Chevrolet Sprint Nights, it is because of other commitments, nothing else; like in 2 weeks when Coleman's older Brother Grant graduates High School back in New York and The Iceman will be there to support him.

We feel you offer a great atmosphere for racing and look forward to our trip to Southeastern Indiana every week. When we are not there, we are thinking about what we are missing. Both of you do a great job at treating your racers like Family and if there is an issue, you take it head on. If there is anything we can do to help, never hesitate to stop by the 14 pit. It is our pleasure to race at LS.:6:

Regards,

Pete Gulick

Pete, Thanks, and thanks to all the fans, teams who support us whenever they can. I consider you all family and enjoy seeing you all each week.
Sincerely, Dave

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Originally Posted by dshort36:
dave... i have to disagree.. the reason the cushion was so low is not because of only 3 heats of sprints but because you ran the midgets first...we enjoy and support the burg all we can and appreciate your efforts... however would like to see the tires moved down some ,not next to the light poles as there is alot of room, as to make for better and safer racing coming off the turns... don short

Don, I can give you an answer on the cushion being a little low this weekend. Not making any excuses, but with the events of this week, we were a bit shorthanded on prep. And when the clouds moved in, Kinda put a kink in plans. The middle would not run in, and right then Rudy stopped everything he was doing and jumped in the sheepsfoot while I continued to work high and low. And to say the least we were a bit nervous at about a quarter after 5, but she was ran in at 6. We then talked about what we were to do after hot laps and Midget Qual. I, was under the impression sprints were to race first. Rudy and I talked on the radio, and we were going to run in the track before sprints came out, maybe even pound it if time permitted that would make the racing surface a bit wider than it was. Seems we knew what each other was thinking at the time, because we both want the best possible surface and best possible racing. Heck, after running it in and sprints first, we'll get a 3 groove track to the cushion. Then we were told that Midgets were up first. So we definately need to run it in. Was told from the pressbox that " USAC says the track is perfect, no need to do anything." I asked again, my exact words being " If we do anything we need to do it now, because if we are not, I am going to slam about 6 beers real quick!!" ( like I said before it has not been a good week) Rudy, thinking the same thing asked upstairs, "are you sure about that" The call once again from upstairs. " No USAC says the track is perfect for the midgets"

So Like I said, no excuses, if the track was unsatisfactory, blame me.

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Originally Posted by Dyno Don:
Does anybody know why there was such a small car count at The 'Burg on Saturday night?

Midget week and only 28 Midgets. Support series of Sprints count of 23 and 19 Mini Sprints.

Bloomington had 38 Midgets and 37 Sprints.

Kokomo had 30 plus Midgets. And I do not know how many cars ran their feature only thing.

Do the race teams have a thing against The 'Burg?

These guys and familys are going through a very tough time with the Loss of Mel. IM going to agree with Don Short though that a ten ft wide race track isn't raceable. Its more like constant qualifying.

Then again I like the track to have a cushion. The only thing Id do different is wheelpack every time the cushion got to tough to tame. Once they packed it after the consis about halfway thru the midget feature the track got awesome. I don't know what the answer is, Leave it dry and packed and cut two groves with the rake

I know for certain its not for lack of effort. They all work tons of hours each week to put that show on. We also had a night with four inches of rain in places last week.

My only wish is they'd keep it wide.

As for Midget count, Powri and Badger both had shows schedualed and I wish USAC and these organizations could get together and work together for everyones benifit. Powri/Usac shootouts Two of them. One week on their turf and one on ours.

Sprints, Paragon, Put, MSCS Terre (Rained out) ILL speedweek. VCS MASS Series. WAY TO MANY TRACKS for one night.

LBurg guy, Luv ya all but I've always been honest. It was way to narrow. Id of gradded or packed it after hotlaps.
That being said, I still haven't had a night I didn't feel I got my moneys worth. Coons working traffic. Levi and Hmeil making their own groove and BCs amazing move to win.

Chuck, knowing you did what you could and it was a tough night and thanking you for it.

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I just have one question. I see Dave and Kim are on this thread at the same time. Are you on two different computers or are you two fighting over the computer. lol

The features were great!!!! Would I have liked to have seen better heat races, of course. The fact of the matter is that after finding out that Mel had passed we were lucky to see any racing at all. Mel or Melzy as my son affectionately called him, you will be missed!!!!!

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Originally Posted by Danny Burton:
You, sir, read my mind. Bet that didn't take you long. :2:

Mr. Jones and Mr. Hmeil used a lot of the track Saturday night.

Honestly theres several issues here, Early on (Heats) The cushion and upper part was too soft and rought. Buckwalter tried it twice and bobbled. Kuhn in the feature was going forward, Tried it and bobbled himself back to seventh. The Wheel packing definately helped and early on Levi jumped on it and cut his own grove. Hmiel seen it and duplicated.

The car damage and motor thing IMHO is BUNK I've seen three races at Kokomo, Watch two or three blow a night and about five cars hit the wall yet they turn out in droves. I really haven't seen the Burg being a big issue on motors. In fact I see em reving em harder on Bloomington and even the old burg. I've also seen some lower powered cars often have good success.

Two. No hotlaps and individual qualifying. Would have moved the grove some. Instead it was go hotlap and hope you set a good time. (Not burgs fault)

Three, Lack of a heavy car class. No offense but the mods throw rooster tails too. Cut the track and pack it. Also bring a good field of cars. Either that or a lot of wheel packing to keep most of the track raceable would be greatly apreciated.

Four, I always hate to critisize drivers as its not my butt on the line. I kinda feel that drivers aren't learing how to run a cushion (Minis) mainly because they simply can't. Bobble once in em you loose half a lap. I see drivers like Short, Bland and Cottle who came from Mods that can get up there and find speed. Levi Did it not just saturday but at THAT a couple weeks ago, Running 15 ft higher than everyone else. Remember the story of me telling you about Robby Stanley at Union County, Everyone running the bottom except him. By mid feature he was passing two per lap. I think its becoming a lost art.

I don't know if Dry slick is the answer but it certainly is exciting watching cars all over the track and not just the bottom third.

Take care guys, This isn't meant to be a bash on anyone and I certainly hope drivers and teams continue to support LBurg.

Chuck, who thinks the night turned out great after early not so great situations.

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Originally Posted by robert gatten:
as a racer that runs Da Burg i think its the best and the equipment and drivers there are some of the best you will find anywhere. Now if we could just have a night where the engine runs,the mag box works and the fuel pump flows we could enjoy the place even more. I'm begining to think theres a trole living at the pit gate.

We certainly enjoy seeing you guys there :) Bugs are pesky ain't they?

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Originally Posted by fishnman:
Don, I can give you an answer on the cushion being a little low this weekend. Not making any excuses, but with the events of this week, we were a bit shorthanded on prep. And when the clouds moved in, Kinda put a kink in plans. The middle would not run in, and right then Rudy stopped everything he was doing and jumped in the sheepsfoot while I continued to work high and low. And to say the least we were a bit nervous at about a quarter after 5, but she was ran in at 6. We then talked about what we were to do after hot laps and Midget Qual. I, was under the impression sprints were to race first. Rudy and I talked on the radio, and we were going to run in the track before sprints came out, maybe even pound it if time permitted that would make the racing surface a bit wider than it was. Seems we knew what each other was thinking at the time, because we both want the best possible surface and best possible racing. Heck, after running it in and sprints first, we'll get a 3 groove track to the cushion. Then we were told that Midgets were up first. So we definately need to run it in. Was told from the pressbox that " USAC says the track is perfect, no need to do anything." I asked again, my exact words being " If we do anything we need to do it now, because if we are not, I am going to slam about 6 beers real quick!!" ( like I said before it has not been a good week) Rudy, thinking the same thing asked upstairs, "are you sure about that" The call once again from upstairs. " No USAC says the track is perfect for the midgets"

So Like I said, no excuses, if the track was unsatisfactory, blame me.

IM not blaming anyone. You guys are the greatest and don't ever think twice about asking for help if needed free of charge. IM in section H. I helped last year and Rudy was more than generous. I wanted nothing for it and I meant it. Great people deserve great support, You guys learned more from Mel than anything on the track. The hello's the stopping and chatting when your busy as hell, Thats worth more to me than any promotion and I tell people about how great the track and the people and the racers are.

Its like pulling teeth to get people to go down there. Everyone knows theres a casino but I hear "THERES A RACE TRACK THERE?" all the time. The ones I do get to go down always tell me about the great time they had. I had a guy at work tell me he took his son to Brush Creek last week and they enjoyed it. I told him about LBurg and he says he'll try that even though its a 70 mile trek for him. It certalnly isn't due to lack of promotion and effort.

Its the problem with message boards, Everything seems like a B fest and its most of the time its never meant to be that way and the tone you'd never get in person.

Remember Clowns goof up and clowns provide the greatest enjoyment of all.
Keep at it BOZO's and rest assured it is apreciated even when it seems you can do no right.

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Originally Posted by bstevens2:
I told myself I would never post on one of these things but this I cant avoid. My name is brad stevens and my father and i own a very low buget sprintcar team as many of you may know. For the better part of 9 years we spent racing around the famed lawrenceburg 1/4 mile, in those 9 years we destroyed numerous cars and blew several motors. This kept my seat time to a bare minimum each year of maybe 10 races if we were lucky. The new Lawrenceburg is a little hard on tires and puts a bit more strain on the motors, but the fact that the racing surface is much WIDER than the old 1/4 mile we have been able to avoid those 1/4 mile pile ups. I didnt get to see it first hand because I sort of had my hands full but sounds like jc lj and sh found plenty of room to make it around that narrow 4-5 lane race track. Dave has put far more than his heart and soul in this race track, he has raised the purse for u guys that can afford the motor and tires to win and done just about everything asked of him to make this one of the best tracks in the country. Dave as long as the gates are opened I will be glad to come back week after week trying with what little we have to win a race at the new famed l-burg speedway but till then Im having more fun than ever and learning more every week. With that said maybe we should lay off the L-burg crew and consoul them on the passing of a very close friend and L-burg family member.

Good point

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Wow - a little of everything has been said on this thread. I think that is good. A good dialogue and to get the opinions out. I have a few of my own questions, observations and opinions I would like to throw in . . .

1) The threads title was about car counts at the burg. Somehow it turned more into a discussion about the racing surface this past Saturday.

2) Dave you say you are happy with the 24 cars. I can tell you this much for sure . . . the fans ARE NOT HAPPY with 24 cars! Yes, there have been some high caliber cars and great racers in those 24 cars, but 24 cars isn't a hell of a lot of sprint car racing when you don't even need a consi. If I were you I would BUST MY ASS to get AT LEAST 30 cars a week. I LOVE LAWRENCEBURG SPEEDWAY and SPRINT CAR RACING, but I can tell you that both me and some of my friends aren't going to continue to pay $15 to see 22 sprints, 24 mods and who cares how damn many mini-sprints. I would pay tow money or $300 to the back or whatever you have to do to get some of the middle of the road and lower budget teams to your track more often. What if you paid $500 at the end of the season for every sprint car that came to every weekly race? Maybe you could miss up to three races and still get the money? I don't know just brainstorming here . . . some kind of bonus something to get the count to 30-35 car average per week. I don't think it would cost that much . . . . There are a lot of cars on the bubble that go to VCS, paragon, etc. I think you can get some of those cars and NEED TO GET THEM. If you don't get them the stands will start to empty out and then it will be too late to fix. THE TIME IS NOW . . . limp out this season, do what you can to keep people happy and then make a big announcement for next years weekly incentives. Hell one less $10,000 show would probably pay for it.

3) Just a thought I been having lately . . . is $10,000 to win really the holy grail of spint car payouts? I have been watching shows with a keen eye for the last 3 years in regards to payouts and car counts, etc. I have noticed that even the $3000 to win races usually get a really nice bump in car counts just because it pays a decent bit more to win than the other regular shows . . . so that being said, I don't think most drivers totally believe that they are going to go out and dominate and win on a given night. There are usually 10 maybe 15 guys for a big show that probably really feel they have a great chance to win and that is probably an optimistic number. The rest are filling the field, need great luck, the perfect setup or an out of body experience to win. I think that if you had a $5000 to win race and spent the other $5000 increasing the back of the field numbers to a $500 minimum that you would have bigger car counts, more exciting shows and ultimately more butts in the seats! What do you guys think? Am I wrong? You get those back end guys there with the big bump at the back of the purse and create some loyalty with them!

4) Yes, the tires were higher this week on the bottom of the track. They probably could have been a little lower, BUT like DAVE said IT IS STILL THE WIDEST BIGGEST TRACK IN THE STATE! There was plenty of racing room. One thing that I do think that could have made a big difference as CHUCK noted, MODS would have helped the racing surface greatly in my opinion. Next year, Mods and Sprints during midget week. Just ignore Dyno Don when he starts whining about being up after sundown. There is a happy medium . . . I don't like paying $20 for a special show and seeing one class of V8's and being home by 9:30. The fans want value there are only a handfull that want to finish up the same time the sun sets. I told several people that the track was great by the end of the feature. If there could have been one more race (midgets or sprints) you may have seen the best race ever at L'burg speedway. The track was obviously a little more wet and fast than it needed to be and like Dave said. We should be damn happy we got to see a race at all with the rain we had, not to mention what the staff had to deal with after losing a loved one!

5) Brad and Craig . . . thanks for supporting The Burg . . . Craig . . . .ignore the grumpy lady in the pickup that wanted you to take the canopy down! LOL That was ridiculous.

6) Dyno Don ... don't think I ever met you, but been reading your posts here now for 2 seasons and I don't think you like Lawrenceburg. I do feel very certain that you really, really don't like to be up past dark. I bet you hated it when they started night baseball. (if you ever like baseball) You may even hate the Reds since they started night baseball. Why don't you take a nap during the afternoon or sleep in before you go to a sprint car race that has potential for going a little long so that you aren't totally pissed off and miserable if it isn't over before 10p?

7) Dave - also want you to know that I bust my ass always spreading the word about The Burg to anyone who will listen. Gas City, Eldora, Manzy even Florence there are a lot of people that have just never came or at least never came since the reconfiguration. I have a few ideas of my own on ways that I could possible help the track as well. I am not looking for compensation either . . . I would just like to see this track come to be known as one of the greatest dirt tracks in the country and for the Lawrenceburg Speedway to be talked about in the same breath as places like Eldora and Manzanita. (RIP)

8) Does anyone know why Ballou was not at the Burg saturday? I heard on the backstretch that he didn't like bikers. Is that true?

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Wow! You guys that complain don't know how good you have it. I'd love to see 50 non wing cars race every weekend. I thought they ran a nice quick clean program Saturday night. If only I didn't live 550 miles away!

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Originally Posted by davidm:
Wow! You guys that complain don't know how good you have it. I'd love to see 50 non wing cars race every weekend. I thought they ran a nice quick clean program Saturday night. If only I didn't live 550 miles away!

See your from MD. Going to get down to Richmond for the silver crown and sprint pavement races? Significantly closer. I am coming over and plan to make a weekend of it. Flying into Baltimore on Thur and will make the short drive down to Richmond on Fri afternoon.

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Unfortunately, just reading through this thread brings to mind the story of Mansfield Motorsports Park. Spent millions to renovate and revamp, ran a great weekly program for a few years, and then became a special event only track. I absolutely love the Burg, go as often as I can, but it is irritating to watch heat race after heat race roll by with little to no passing (at least run qualifying instead of leaving it up to the luck of the draw). The wheel packing before the features on Saturday made for a very racy joint indeed:8:, but as I have each time I have visited the 'Burg this year I left wondering what it would have been like with the tires moved a groove lower...

Maybe put it to a vote one weekend, see what the drivers think as I'd imagine they would know best.:16
I understand that we all think we are experts when behind our keyboards, but I truly want to see the 'burg around and successful for a very long time, just give it a shot and if it fails you can call me a moron and move the tires back for the next race.:2:

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Scott, At no time was my posting every meant to be critical. Dad just passed and the track was probably all they could do to keep on keeping on. The tribute will last longer than the racing memories of the night for me no doubt.

Discussion and views (from the most extreme bashing to the greatest of compliments are what happen on message boards, Expecially when you can't see the people you talk about every day.

Dave mentioned the change in schedule. I fully understand that. Fully meant if they need help in anyway. Id of left dad sitting there if I could have helped made things any better. We All got to see what ended up as a good show.

For purses? I have no clue what the intake/outgoing is. Its already been mentioned about four to six tracks running saturdays and Burg is on the outskirts of say (Gassoline Alley)

I don't know what else I can do for 15 bucks thats much funner, So what, Florence is 12, There ain't no sprint cars.

Someone mentioned a 3000/300 weekley show and Burg could own saturday night. I don't know I do think teams would like to break even on Travel, Pits fuel if they made the show. Thats different depending on how far their traveling.

The Fremont purse thing? I don't know if its possible, It may be. Would that change things? Make them better? Make them worse? We certainly aren't the ones taking the risk here. Dave and Perfect are and I know they have been working tirelessly both on the track and off to do the best they can.

One thing I will mention, How many cars are running for championships at other tracks? What do they pay for championships, second in points ect. I know VCS gives a chassis. How about a LBurg Club? For 20 dollars you get 1 pit pass (over normal entry fee) for any normal show, Half price at say Harf Darf, BARC and Burg club shows and one hotdog, soda and popcorn at any show. Would be a ticket with punchouts. All this $$ would be put in the point funds. It would also encourage attendance at other shows durring the year

The 50/50 is great but unreliable (Better this year with some bigger shows and Section A) But didn't a portion of the Gate used to go towards this or sponsors? I don't know. It may still be that way.

Just thoughts, No demands, No expectations. I'll be there Sat!

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Charles - never thought you were being overly critical. LOVE the idea of the Lawrenceburg Speedway Fan Club. Membership dues would go to some sort of incentives program for weekly racers and it would be ran by the fans. I'm sure Dave would work with us on this in giving the members some perks.

On a side note . . . does anyone know or would anyone be willing to divulge on the what the memership numbers are for HARF and BARC?

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Originally Posted by TheLip2:
Charles - never thought you were being overly critical. LOVE the idea of the Lawrenceburg Speedway Fan Club. Membership dues would go to some sort of incentives program for weekly racers and it would be ran by the fans. I'm sure Dave would work with us on this in giving the members some perks.

On a side note . . . does anyone know or would anyone be willing to divulge on the what the memership numbers are for HARF and BARC?

HARF and DARF have websites if Im not mistaken. BARC contact RichH on the members list of this site.

Chuck

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Originally Posted by bstevens2:
I told myself I would never post on one of these things but this I cant avoid. My name is brad stevens and my father and i own a very low buget sprintcar team as many of you may know. For the better part of 9 years we spent racing around the famed lawrenceburg 1/4 mile, in those 9 years we destroyed numerous cars and blew several motors. This kept my seat time to a bare minimum each year of maybe 10 races if we were lucky. The new Lawrenceburg is a little hard on tires and puts a bit more strain on the motors, but the fact that the racing surface is much WIDER than the old 1/4 mile we have been able to avoid those 1/4 mile pile ups. I didnt get to see it first hand because I sort of had my hands full but sounds like jc lj and sh found plenty of room to make it around that narrow 4-5 lane race track. Dave has put far more than his heart and soul in this race track, he has raised the purse for u guys that can afford the motor and tires to win and done just about everything asked of him to make this one of the best tracks in the country. Dave as long as the gates are opened I will be glad to come back week after week trying with what little we have to win a race at the new famed l-burg speedway but till then Im having more fun than ever and learning more every week. With that said maybe we should lay off the L-burg crew and consoul them on the passing of a very close friend and L-burg family member.

This is the post of the year!!! I cant believe all the bitchin that goes on about Lawrenceburg. I personally have not seen a bad race there yet. The show that was most dissapointing was the WOO but I still felt I got my moneys worth. I have not met a better group of Staff from Dave on down at any other track.

The weekly show is always a good show with the amount of cars that show up. If you guys would do a little less complaining, grab a beer and appreciate all the countless hours Dave and the staff puts in you would be alot happier. Dave, you guys kick ass, keep on doing exactly what your doing and things will be fine!

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Originally Posted by TheLip2:
See your from MD. Going to get down to Richmond for the silver crown and sprint pavement races? Significantly closer. I am coming over and plan to make a weekend of it. Flying into Baltimore on Thur and will make the short drive down to Richmond on Fri afternoon.

I'm not sure if I'll make it down. If I do, it will just be for Saturday. Make sure you plan for drive time on Friday Afternoon. Rush hour starts early around the DC area and can easily add hours to you drive to Richmond.