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Are they doing live updates or anything tonight on usacracing.com ???????
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Good question, I hope so. I'd planned on driving up tomorrow night for the Grove show, but forecast is not looking good enough to support a six hour drive. Hate it. The Grove is one of the few places I haven't seen USAC sprints at yet. I did get to the SCRA in 2002 and that was excellent. The Demon brought his A Game that night. |
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It says live timing but nothings working yet.
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It now says on USAC's website under the live timing - TBD. On another thread, it says there will be no live updates from the Eastern Swing this week :(
---------- Post added at 07:48 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:28 PM ---------- See the other thread under USAC Live Updates. D.O. has posted some information. |
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Originally Posted by midgy: Lisa, Got any contacts for updates? Chuck, following the timing but that don't describe the action to well. |
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Wow, I'm surprised more of the PA posse isn't there.... where's Freddie at??
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Its only going to get worse!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The cost of racing is out of site! I told you all last winter this would happen!:15::14: JUST A BITTER OLD MAN!
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The crowd was excellent.. The caliber of drivers out there was incredible.. 50 laps and not one car torn up. We could all get used to this kind of racing out here. Thank you USAC.
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Seriously, delaware....your complaints are pretty ridiculous. The racing was excellent, in both divisions. It was all over at like 10:30. And you claim you like USAC racing so much - if it was truly important, you would take vacation. But even if not, they would have gotten you out at a respectable time! Especially for having a fifty-lap race.
It seems like the people out here are on two different ends. Most fans are crazed - they come out in droves, love the racing, buy a bunch of t-shirts. Others complain like this....and the racers don't even show up for $700 to start.....and today is cancelled without a real strong effort to get it in. I'm puzzled! |
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Originally Posted by Kirk Spridgeon: As far as the track canceling that's easy too. The Grove never really wanted USAC here. They don't want the local fans to know there's something better than what they see at their track each week. The only reason they booked the show from what I've been told is Bob Miller forced their hand after he brought USAC back here 3 years ago. He told Williams Grove management that he'd wanted to lease "The Grove" for a USAC night like he does with Grandview for the Thunder Series. After the fan turnout reported at Big D & Grandview the first year "The Grove" thought they'd better get their share of the pie instead of Miller, so they brought USAC in, however I think reluctantly. I'd almost guarantee announcer Bruce Ellis is happy it rained today. Hell, he probably did a rain dance. I know he's publicly denounce traditional sprintcars as being inferior to his beloved winged garbage more than once in print and over the public address system at The Grove. I think he's probably a closet non wing fan, but for the sake of job security he can't promote non wingers as being better than the weekly winged shows that pay his wages. Self preservation you know. Anyway, that's my conspiracy theory take on the subject. LOL Later, Jeff |
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Hey Jeff! Thanks for the bowling today! Chris Windom ended up showing up right next to us.
The b-main was run for those to have one more shot at earning their time back. The guys in "transfer" spots got their times while the guy outside of that started behind the rest. If delaware is Randy Smith, he is a URC driver and I saw him at Grandview as a spectator. |
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Originally Posted by nowingsjeff: Dry at the Grove at 6 pm. The weather on thir website showed 8pm=cloudy, 9pm=light rain After driving >120mi, I'd have been happy to watch TT's & some heats, then wait for it to move through. How's Lincoln feel about wingless. I think they'd run great there. Get 'em on a Sat night show (like URC) with the regular 410's. Once a significant % of Posse fans see a wingless 410 race, they'll come back every year. Lincoln's not afraid to wait out the rain, especially on a Sat night. I miss Hagerstown. :15: |
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".....and today is cancelled without a real strong effort to get it in. I'm puzzled!"
although it really doesnt matter now cause its raining :15: there has been a shift in the way things are done out here. the promoters are leary about opening the gates for a "special" show if there is a pretty good chance of rain. bob miller wrote an article in AARN over the winter explaining the mindset of the promoters and fans and how both react when the weather looks bad. he explained that people are a lot tighter with their money and wont take a chance if they dont think a show will happen. and the higher the chance of rain, the less chance the fan will take and the less chance the promoter will take to get the show in. as far as the grove mgt. vs. miller, i dont know how much of that is true, or that it even matters. the wing car fans are SLOWLY starting to see past the end of their nose...partly due to they are seeing some decent non wing shows with ardc....and partly due to the fact that they are being exposed to a lot of "in your face" non wing discussions, either face to face or thru the boards. i dont think they will ever let go of their love for the wing cars but if we can at least get them out when the non wing cars run locally, that is a BIG step in the right direction. all the wing car fans i spoke to last night and today loved the show at grandview. so the planned takeover of the wing car stronghold is beginning to take shape :16 |
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This is what we E Coast:27::28:'s do to pass the time during our annual rainout -
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I really don't buy that NW experience stuff. Half of them are at the Silly Bowl and Wings teach you smoothness. I'd go so far to say it takes much more experience winged to be a front runner than non as the equiptment is much more equalized and the driver makes a ton of the difference. You can make up some time NW even if you mess up a bit but a bobble winged equals half a second.
I really like to see drivers get experience in both as it makes them better overall. You may be right that a USAC show isn't the place to learn. However others go at it as might as well run with the best and learn from it. I prefer to think of several of the teams are committed to their weekend program and risking that for this is well, risky. Ive seen lots of winged guys have success NW, Frankie Kerr, Robby Stanley, Gordon, Haud, S Kinser, Stevie Smith with a total of 1 NW race won 100,000. Would love to see some of the ARDC guys get rides for this series. Chuck |
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Originally Posted by Charles Nungester: I read a lot of your posts and respect much of them, but your comments about the Posse and the "P" word has caused me to lose some respect for you. They are diff. cars to some degree and race quite a bit different from how these guys(wing) normally race. I was at Kokomo on Sunday May 24 and there were a slim field there also. I won't call the Indiana guys anything for not being there. And by the way, both races were great to see. Later, JERSEY |
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Originally Posted by jerseysprintnut: The Woo goes to PA and see what they are called? At the Kings Royal its Posse vs WOO vs. Ohio Regs. I know its a different animal. I explained a lot of that in my last post prior. I just think a lot of guys are unwilling to jeopardize their weekend normal program. To all who participate :6: to all thinking about it :6:to all who would but can't :6: to all that won't because its NW and only that reason :26: Take care |
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I've seen many of the local PA drivers run non-wing, and some have been competitive. For instance, Fred Rahmer caught a lot of flack for pulling out of the Grandview show last year. He said, "He didn't feel comfortable". I recall reading comments he was scared to run without a wing.
However, those making comments missed one of the most impressive drives I've seen in my 30 plus years around racing. Rahmer took the Apple car from deep in the pack to a top five against the SCRA at The Grove. Frankie Kerr won that evening and Billy Pauch was second if I recall correctly. It was interesting to watch the different styles of driving between the winged and non-winged drivers. Plus, you had non-winged drivers from both the Mid-West and West Coast. Frankly, the good winged drivers were just as fast as the non-winged driver by feature time. On that night Rahmer managed to squeak into the feature and started about 20th. This is the night I became a Fred Rahmer fan. I used to stand in the infield near turn three at The Grove. The Apple car had sponsorship from a local Budweiser distributorship back then. Rahmer was backing the car in so hard you could read Budweiser on the right side of the car. You've got to remember Fred is an old 358 modified king pin. On top of his 500 sprint car wins he has about 100 modified wins too. Pauch and Kerr were also tough in the modifieds and they have won with and without the wings. The modified guys are used to sliding a car and usually catch on quickly. Think of Tim McCready at the Chili Bowl. More recently, I have seen some of the local wing guys do really will without the wings. It just takes seat time, and they run without wings so infrequently its tough to get dialed-in. They don't want to be completely out to lunch (driving style and set up). Also, I don't think many are willing or can afford to wad up a car for one or two races per year. Outside of Jesse Hockett how many non-wing guys regularly jump into a winged car and are successful? Racing is racing and I love both style and we have a non-winged car |
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Originally Posted by Charles Nungester: I read somewhere that Doug Esh & one other Grove regular practiced nonwing after a recent Fri race. I'm sure that several Posse drivers could compete safely. However, some of the roughest nights I've seen --> when guys take off the wing & might not have the nonwing experience to run with the fastest. One particular night at K-C Rwy in Chill, OH comes to mind. Jack Hewitt was schooling the track regulars. They used up all the local ambulances & had to call a helo for a really bad one. (subsequently learned on here that everyone recovered ok - or I wouldn't mention it). After the race, Jack said some wise words on the p.a. about the transition. ...after that, I'll never question anyone for not taking off the wing to run vs USAC. There's already too many reds at a regular Posse Fri or Sat night. ...show 'em what a race with no reds looks like. for a change. |
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Originally Posted by randyrad: I can't say what Id do. I don't drive but I see most guys anymore set up so tight that any roughness or a loose cushion will bike em and flip em in a heartbeat, Where others will setup loose with lots of suspension travel. Faas' Run at the Burgs a couple weeks ago Windoms run at Florence and Levis run at Terre were classic examples of hanggin er out and using the cushion to total advantage over the rubber grabbers. Not sayng either ones better but are their setups that allow for both? It is classic sprinter driving watching drivers find the speed. If one and two are faster in the cushion and faster in three and four on the bottom. The ones who find that beat the top onlys or bottom onlys. Anybody shedding light on that. Id be happy to learn. I've driven a total of two races, Both had fenders and both had a wall around it. Nothing was more scary and exhilerating than that. It would have taken me a month of saturdays just to start to know what to expect.. I could even understand experienced drivers out of their element or in a not comfortable car feeling that way in a sort. I seen Hewitt pull it in rather than fight it several times while other times he couldn't have looked more comfortable and went to the front. The main thing is if the fans are enjoying it and staying safe. Chuck 20 cars or 88 cars. I've seen great racing at both. |
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Originally Posted by randyrad: The guy that took the helicopter ride that night was my cousin Steve McCann, after he sailed over turn 3 and landed out by the parking lot-broken collar bone, fractured skull, and one arm-if I remember right. That was his last time in a car. In the middle of changing a stripped cam spud, Hampshire & Hewitt went out of their way to help us load the car so we could go to the hospital. Very classy! Now, I drive a 410 @ KC and around So. Ohio with a wing, and my car owner is Steve's dad-Charlie McCann-73 years old!. We ran a few times @ the old Burg wingless, and the two Molar shows a couple years ago (top ten both times), but that's the extent of my non-wing racing, even though I like doing it! Last week, we decided to try out the new Burg for the first time. I'd watched a few races there this spring and liked the new track. Even though last Saturday was a little drier track than usual, I now love it even more after racing on it! As most on here already know, Dave & his staff were very nice and seem very appreciative of all the racers-we had a great time. I was the #65 that started last in the feature and finished 7th-if not for Ballou getting up to 4th, I think I'd have gotten the hard charger award. By the way, my car owner went through a bag and half of chew that night! We will definitely be back later this year! Adam Strausser |
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Originally Posted by racefan20: John, Perfect is four heats of ten. one or two consis and a feature. There is the sence that your not getting as much for your money with two or three heats and a feature. Id love to see some of the 15-24 car nights go to a two heat reverse from first finish points system. for starts. Make em 4 12 car 12 lap heats. Sometimes it seems unfair for the fast guy to get the pole and transfer straight to a front row spot for the feature based on draw alone. No they did nothing wrong, They did everything perfect. Where the action is the next race they start at the tail and really wow the crowd.. (I remember the days of the fast qualifiers starting on the tail and disqualifications for beating your qualifying time by over a second) Chuck, who kinda misses the victory laps and fast car dashes ect but don't think the racings any worse. In fact most nights there are ten guys legitamate potential winners. Back in the 70s there were Gaines and Wilkerson, Bob Kinser and Gilstrap. It was rare they ever got beat when two or more of them came and most of the time they started on or near the tail. Thats what made legendary names and great racing then even though there is probably more serious contenders today. |
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Thanks Evil E!!! Exactly what I was thinking when I read the lastest on this post! I grew up around Kerr and Rahmer, both of them drove my dad's midget occasionally back in the late 80s (give it I was little back). Both of them can/could handle either type of sprint or midget and do extremely well. My father went to the race at grandview this week and was disappointed in the lack of passing. He wishes they would have ran wings to increase the competition. He and I realize this isn't possible due to rules, lack of experience, etc. I enjoy both nw and wings but I realize people have their preferences. I think all the guys are talented and deserve a lot of credit to do this every week. It is a lot of time and money. I never realized how much my parents sacraficed until I see what these drivers and owners go through weekly. Racing is definitely an addiction :)
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Originally Posted by ked: Yes Katie, racing is an addiction; an once you have it in your blood it is very hard to break that addiction. Most racers or race fans I know have been addicted all of their lives and spend a large sum of money each year feeding their addiction either funding a race team or traveling to the races as a fan. As far as the USAC Eastern Swing goes unless USAC waived their membership or licensing fees which I am not aware of, I see the choice the local racers had to make as more of a dollars and cents issue than a winged vs non wing preference. The cost for them to run these four races probably far out weighed the benefit, which is a shame. I have always felt from a fans perspective you have a much more interesting race when you have your own local stars going up against the invading stars from another racing organization. Maybe this was inbedded in me in the 1960's when the mid-west supermodified stars invaded the BIG O in Oswego, the mid-west supers ran wings the Oswego regulars ran non-wing supers and threatened to boycott if the invaders didn't remove there wings, in the end the invaders removed their wings. Now fourty plus years later they run a hand full of races a year at Oswego where the regulars strap on wings to run with the MSA invaders. New York and PA have traditionally been known for wigned sprint car racing, maybe with USAC's dwindling car counts they will have to think about strapping on a wing to run with the PA regulars or waiving their fees for this swing to attract more PA regular teams to run with them. Patti |
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