Tony barhorst
 

Find out how many people take speedsport news in in. Oh. Mich. Ill. Ky! You will find out not a lot!

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I asked about how many they have in Indiana..and those numbers are 'buried" in a file somewhere.

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10 year ago it was only 60000 nation wide! Not great!

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Pretty sad commentary on the popularity of our sport. We all like to think short track racing a BIG DEAL. Well it is ,,,to us maybe, no one else tho! Reminds me of my friends who surfs on the great lakes. Talk about a niche sport! Oh yea, a local surf shop sponsors a message board where the surfers constantly bash each other. SOUND FAMILAR?
D Weis
Valparaiso IN

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YOU HAVE LOST ME? *** ARE YOU TAKING ABOUT?????????????? SURFERS???????????????? I WAS TALKING TO TONY! :doh:

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Sorry Duke

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SHORT TRACK RACING IS HUGE!!...The newsprint business is slowing...but how many people get the NSSN online now? The ads and all should be in there.

Here is a bit of trivia:
I know Chris Economaki would drop off free copies of the NSSN to most of the Bob Evans restaurants in Indianapolis when he arrived for the month of May.

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You know what *** means, but you don't know what CAPS stands for? Sorry, I had too say it.:D

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thats a good question? Find out i would like to how many is on line!

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gee thanks! Why do you people get in on something just to start ****?

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"Because its a public forum! If you only wanna talk to tony, then you use the personal message system"(typical hateful answer on this board). I get in on it because its funny to me(maybe some others). I'm not doing it to be a dik or to be mean. Im half of your age, and I can joke about it or wait for somebody else to get on here and make it negitive. I love the fact that you don't care!

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THIS IS WHY...

PEOPLE POST! YOU STARTED IT.


If you wanted this message to go to Tony only, then send a private message. If you post in a public forum.... you should expect the public to join in. :D

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Man, is that ever funny. You of all people making that comment? That's pot/kettle if I ever saw it.

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Hey Duke, I've been getting NSSN for going on 32 years now. That's where I used to read about your racing heroics. And I still have both copies.....

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Thats funny right their, i dont care who you are, or if you type in all caps

hOWS cOME i cANT tALK IN cAPS? iT dOESNT SUBMIT IN CAPS?

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I think the decline of print circulation is true everywhere. The only reason I still get NSSN is for the columns including Chris's and the local results you don't find easily elsewhere. My wife and I were both contributors for about 10 years and we still paid to get the paper. This board and others like it are also part of the reason for the decline like Craigs List is to the daily newspaper. You don't need to wait for NSSN anymore when you can go to the USAC website and watch it live. It's just the way things are today and who knows what will happen to NSSN when there is no longer a column by Chris. My good friend says he still gets it just to check the obituaries to make sure his name isn't in there

Vern Plotts

Anyone want to buy about 45 years of NSSN?

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[QUOTE=Tony Barhorst;98294]SHORT TRACK RACING IS HUGE!!...The newsprint business is slowing...but how many people get the NSSN online now? The ads and all should be in there.

Here is a bit of trivia:
I know Chris Economaki would drop off free copies of the NSSN to most of the Bob Evans restaurants in Indianapolis when he arrived for the month of May.[/QUOTE

Tony,
Do you think it is more important to spend your advertising budget on local media or in NSSN and on the web? I'd like your opinon because you've been successful.

Tony I respect your opinion as a promoter. I've been to your shows as both a spectator and a crewman. I was especially impressed with your Boswell show. What I was trying to say was filling the stands for a few special shows is different than doing it consistently, all season long. I'm sure the minor league baseball team in South Bend averages better attendence per game than say any of the surrounding tracks. New paris, Plymouth, M-40 or Hartford.
Can a track support 50 or 60 dates a year? I highly doubt it. You know, and I know that most promoters are/were successful in another business. They aren't stupid. The general public doesen't know a the differnce between a sprint, midget or a late model. This and segmentation among fans of different types of cars, causes a promoter to really scrutinize his advertising budget.
Thanks , I didn't know that about Economaki. Good marketing.
Dale Weis
Valparaiso..where racing is a big deal to me but no one else

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please post them for me to read! Two times thats great! Ps is that 2 times more then you?

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Not if you count the police report.....:D

Just kidding, Randy

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Tony now you see what i was talking about last nite!

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BILL IF THEY HAD SOMETIME TO SAY ABOUT WHAT WHERE TALKING ABOUT! THATS FINE! BUT MOST GET WAY OFF IN RIGHT FIELD OR ATTACK PEOPLE! I ASK A QUESTION ABOUT SPEEDSPORT NEWS! NOT SURFING! AND THEN WE HAVE ALL THIS ********! ???????????????????:doh::headbang

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Duke, I think you need to understand that not every post that is made on this board is directed to you. Some people just feel like expressing themselves. Right field or not, they have something to say... and asking someone "*** are you talking about" causes people not to post and encourages personal attacks.

You know, you could've simply stated.... Hey man, I don't understand the point your trying to make. That simple statement would have eliminated this conversation completely.

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Uncle Buck,

I will tell you the truth...I can see why some event promoters do not advertise much...because many times the return on your dollar is not worth it. It used to be you only had three television networks, radio and newspaper.
It is now much harder to reach the masses, with cable and the internet segmenting the audience. It is very easy to overspend on advertising.

I plan on running an ad in the NSSN Track guide for the Speedrome races...and maybe the Indy Star. I am going to call the Star today..but I can tell you it will be expensive.

This thread has been entertaining, and that is the goal on IOW...one KEY thing for everyone to remember...Lets have fun with the good natured zingers...and not take this stuff to seriously where it gets to be hateful. I think zingers are ok....but no personal attacks...I thought it was funny when Duke wondered ***....lol

But Uncle Buck had a right to chime in also...It looks like he doesn't see much short track promotion in the area
he is from...That market is VERY expensive....racing probably gets the niche sport treatment like surfing up there.
If someone zings you...zing em back...but not in a hurtfull way. Have fun with it

I have not always practiced this...but I find when I do...I have a better time.

I will also say this...LET DUKE BE DUKE!

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GEE THERE IS LIFE HERE!:applaud:

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Thanks Tony for the reply.
Your correct, the advertising in my home area is very expensive, as I'm sure any uban area is, such as Indy. I once had a PR guy tell me he didn't care to spend his advertising budget on ads in trade papers because only the hard core fan reads them. He said local advertising was more effective in bringing in fans to a track. This man had done pr work for both weekly racing at a track(Illiana) and the short lived IRA ? series. (old usac cars). This was of course pre- internet.
It seems to me you bring in alot of hard core, traveling fans to your races, like during sprint week and indoors. Would your advertising method be different if it was a weekly show you were promoting? I must admit I knew you promoted the heck out of the Boswell shows and the front gate , I hope, showed it. When you brought in that car crushing, fire breathing, dinasour thing, thats all the driver's 4 year old son could talk about. I imagine a lot of other kids felt the same way! We stopped working on the car to watch it!
Thanks for the info,. I always try to understand the promoters view of things. I for one always give them the benefit of doubt. Promoting is a massive undertaking frought with alot of pitfalls.
Dale Weis