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Im looking for a certain picture of Pancho from what year I dont know,but its a baby blue and orange #44 sprint car.I checked ovalmeister and he didnt have one posted.Wondering if someone may have one.When I was a kid (5,6,7) my dad had this picture hanging on the wall in my bedroom.Was thinking of bringing that car back on a micro.Thanks in advance for any posts.I think the picture may have been from Terre Haute.

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Are you sure it was not a baby blue No. 4? Pancho ran that in 1976 after finishing fourth in 1975. He ran a baby blue No. 1 in 1977, a white No. 44 in 1978 and a dark blue No. 44 in 1979. That was actually Dan Gurney's colors the two years Pancho ran for him. Since I did not see him run sprints in 1980, 81 and 82, I can't say about those years.

Jim Morrison

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Oh yeah. Try John Mahoney at jmahoneypix@yahoo.com. I was not shooting much color in 1976.
Jim

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I just talked to my Dad and you are correct Jim.It was the baby blue #4.That is the pic Im looking for.Thanks for the correction.

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Originally Posted by micro94:
Im looking for a certain picture of Pancho from what year I dont know,but its a baby blue and orange #44 sprint car.I checked ovalmeister and he didnt have one posted.Wondering if someone may have one.When I was a kid (5,6,7) my dad had this picture hanging on the wall in my bedroom.Was thinking of bringing that car back on a micro.Thanks in advance for any posts.I think the picture may have been from Terre Haute.

This isn't the sprinter obviously, but I think it's the paint scheme you're looking for.
Did you buy a car?
David.

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c1...r/untitled.jpg

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Not a mini sprint no.I had a micro that was a frame and body work and everything in my garage and decided to put it together.Its a older 98 factor 1 but I wanted to relive some older guys cars from when I was younger.Havent decided on 1 yet but just going through photos trying to pick one out.I was set with AJ's at first but decided I would do more research before I commited to one.

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Is this the one you are looking for.


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3213/...227f0a.jpg?v=0

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Originally Posted by nonwingfan33:
Is this the one you are looking for.


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3213/...227f0a.jpg?v=0

Yep.Thats it.Thank you very much.:thumb

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This lithograph is on my wall right now, it looks like it was definitely based on the picture below...

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a1...ie/Room003.jpg

Compare to this...

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3213/...227f0a.jpg?v=0

Neat!

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Nowadays, it's hard to imagine the "Bopper" having a car that looked so good, eh?:D

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Originally Posted by mortboyz:
Nowadays, it's hard to imagine the "Bopper" having a car that looked so good, eh?:D

That was a great looking sprinter and I was a Pancho Indy fan. Never heard him referred to as the "Bopper" though, but I like the nickname. Wish I had a copy of the photo though anyone know where I can find this one or something close to it.

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The Bopper is Steve Stapp, Carter's car owner. The unique nose on front is a Davey Brown creation for a roadster that Stapp modified for his car.

Most people don't realize it, I know I didn't, but the No. 11 sprinter that Foyt drove to his last two wins at the Indiana State Fairgrounds in 1974 was also a Stapp-built chassis. I always thought it was a George Snider-built car but Stapp built the chassis while Snider put on all of the bolt-on parts in Foyt's shop.

Jim Morrison

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John Mahoney at jmahoneypix@yahoo.com

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Originally Posted by mortboyz:
Nowadays, it's hard to imagine the "Bopper" having a car that looked so good, eh?:D

The reason for the clean car would have been Buzzy. If Buzzy was not involved, the thing would have been primer grey. :D

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It's easy to tell a Stapp car, just look at the cage. Leffler, King, and Stapp all had different cages.

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You're right Chis. Leffler's was always a lot tighter around the head while Stapp's roll cage was a lot wider. You could pick them out easily. Bopper's cage gave a lot more room between the cage and the head than most other builders at the time.
Jim Morrison

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Originally Posted by bigmojo5:
The Bopper is Steve Stapp, Carter's car owner. The unique nose on front is a Davey Brown creation for a roadster that Stapp modified for his car.

Most people don't realize it, I know I didn't, but the No. 11 sprinter that Foyt drove to his last two wins at the Indiana State Fairgrounds in 1974 was also a Stapp-built chassis. I always thought it was a George Snider-built car but Stapp built the chassis while Snider put on all of the bolt-on parts in Foyt's shop.

Jim Morrison

So this cars a Stapp? http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/inde...ageID=36255391

The car is awesome looking sitting still. I'd of loved to seen it run live. I might have but can't remember.

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Thats a #1.Is this a car AJ drove after a usac championship?

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Let me check a couple things. This is a #1 at the Terre Haute Wheels museum driven by Bettenhausen. I'll double check the other. I wasn't easy taking pics there. http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/inde...ageID=36255582

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I was just curious.I really like that car.It also remindes me of a paint scheme in the #12 silver crown car that Jeff Swindell drove.

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The Stapp 11 that Dr Foyt drove is I believe in the IMS museum, a purchase of the Foyt auction back in the 90's (I went, a neat deal. AJ was super that day).

The story I got was that Snider owned the chassis, and Foyt the engine.

AJ drove that car more than once, by the way. IIRC he drove that car later in 1974 as well.

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I think that may be the paint scheme I will go with.But I need a pic of the whole car for one which I guess I could go by the 2 that you posted but I was wondering.Does anybody know if the rose on the front has any story about this car?

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Upon further investigation. It is the 11 that was drivin to national championships

You can see it here. The cars burried amongst others and no clear way to photograph it but checking multiple photos you can tell it is a 11. No way one #1 is at the tail of the tank and another near the cage. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=163095 Matter of fact, There is a pic there clearly showing the whole number. That guy was a better photographer than he thought :)

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No need to apologize.Were all race fans.I enjoy the pics.Thanks.

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Originally Posted by Charles Nungester:
So this cars a Stapp? http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/inde...ageID=36255391

The car is awesome looking sitting still. I'd of loved to seen it run live. I might have but can't remember.

That car was built by Grant King. If nothing else, that I am aware of, Stapp only built two champ dirt cars and they were both spring front cars not four bar.

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I think B99 answered all our questions. Still a pretty and very neat car. The Rose on the Intake Cowl is a touch of class :)

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Not sure, but this No. 1 might be the same car Swindell drove. The No. 11 sprint that Foyt drove in 1974 is in the IMS Museum. Stapp also has a car in the Smithsonian Institute in Washington.

From what I understand, the Smithsonian's auto racing collection is extremely small because most examples are in such fine collections as the Indianapolis Motor Speedway, the National Sprint Car Hall of Fame and private collections like Don Smith's.

At one time, the only racing machines in the nation's museum were a midget driven by Mario Andretti, the Stapp sprinter and the motorcycle driven by Crocky Wright through the Wall of Fire.

Jim Morrison

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The white No. 11 in the photos that Chuck has linked to the thread is not the same sprint car car that Foyt drove at the 1974 Hulman Classic and at the the Indy Mile that was built by Stapp.

It is neat looking at the cars in the photos. Will be anxious to see Don Smith get his museum open.

Jim Morrison.

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The Foyt 11 car in question was a Stapp and is on page 53 of the March issue of SC&M. Note the grille in the car. It may be the only Stapp to ever have a grille. The story was told at the Hulman Classic, the first race for the car, that Foyt told Ziggy and Stapp he wouldn't drive it without a grille. They had to open a chrome shop on Saturday to get the grille chromed. Foyt later drove and won the infamous twin 50s at the Indy Mile in this car.
On page 78 & 79 of the same issue is a photo of the rose on the hood of Gary B's car. Note the D in the bumper on the car also. Gary had a long relationship with Tim Delrose and Terre Haute First National Bank, Don Smith, and the D and rose were Tim's trademark on his cars.
Those were the days when we lived near Toledo and made most of the sprint races. Then we moved to Colorado and I took up fly fishing and playing more golf and driving 600 miles one way to see a real sprint car race.
Vern Plotts

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One of the Stapp dirt cars is owned by John Hollansworth in Hot Springs Village,AR. It is painted in Jr. Knepper's colors with yellow body and red 55 numbers. He had it at the Miller Meet at Milwaukee in 2007. He raced midgets mostly out of Kansas City and with RMMRA in Denver. He also tried to qualify at the speedway a couple of times but never made it into the race. His son John Jr. ran in the early years of the IRL.

Vern Plotts

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Speedwrench, are you saying that Stapp built just two dirt cars period? If so, I have to disagree because we have a Stapp-built dirt car from the early 90's that is four bar.

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Originally Posted by Charles Nungester:
So this cars a Stapp? http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/inde...ageID=36255391

The car is awesome looking sitting still. I'd of loved to seen it run live. I might have but can't remember.

No Bopper said the car Don Smith has the Terre Haute Car is a Grant King Car, Galles was the mechanic and Bettenhausen drove it.

Susannah Stapp

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Originally Posted by micro94:
Im looking for a certain picture of Pancho from what year I dont know,but its a baby blue and orange #44 sprint car.I checked ovalmeister and he didnt have one posted.Wondering if someone may have one.When I was a kid (5,6,7) my dad had this picture hanging on the wall in my bedroom.Was thinking of bringing that car back on a micro.Thanks in advance for any posts.I think the picture may have been from Terre Haute.

Bopper actually had a blue frame, Orange body car that Pancho ran at Terre Haute, but that one went out over the wall and was no more. I see that the one you were thinking of is really the blue Jorgenson #4 car, though. If you do a Micro rendition please post it or send me an email, We would love to see it. If you have questions or need advice let us know I can ask dad for you!

Susannah Stapp
stapp4u@yahoo.com

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Originally Posted by Speedwrench:
That car was built by Grant King. If nothing else, that I am aware of, Stapp only built two champ dirt cars and they were both spring front cars not four bar.

I just asked the Bopper and "back in the day" he built 12 champ dirt cars, sprints were his specialty. Out of the 12 there wer spring fronts and 4 bar cars and a spring front that later got converted to a bar car. It's handy having the man to ask close by so I can ask!

Modernday if you can call the 80-90's modern, he built at least 5 champ cars that I can remember, with out asking him. I think the man in Crawfordsville has the old Doc Black car which was one of Steve's personal cars before selling it to Black.

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Originally Posted by mortboyz:
Nowadays, it's hard to imagine the "Bopper" having a car that looked so good, eh?:D

I know the man had some really good looking primer grey race cars in the day. I know this because I was the one who used to put the numbers on with shoe polish!
But to his defense, he has had some really good looking race cars too! Just to prove it, here is his newest creation, the Diabetes Challenge Two Seater sprint car. This is his first of 5 and I think this is quite a good looking car! Hopefully you will too.

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[QUOTE=SprintLuvr;89846] It's handy having the man to ask close by so I can ask!
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CHEATER!!!

:D

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I believe the 2 orange and white Terre Haute FNB cars that Chuck has posted are Grant King Champ Cars, owned by Tim Delrose and Dale Holt. Thus the rose on the hood and the D in the bumper. They campaigned the popular #12 for Gary B. for several years, and a few shows they also ran a twin #14. Delrose and Holt cars were wrenched by Robert Galas from O'Fallon, IL. Robert now owns/runs the #12 Champ Car that everyone thinks is so old.

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Originally Posted by young oltimer:
Speedwrench, are you saying that Stapp built just two dirt cars period? If so, I have to disagree because we have a Stapp-built dirt car from the early 90's that is four bar.

I stand corrected. Based to this and some of the other posts, there were more than two Stapp champ dirt cars - I was just unaware of the others.

Thanks for getting me straightened out.

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I must say that is a pretty good looking car.But yes as far as the micro goes I was planning on posting pictures as I go along.I dont know how much Ill even race it or if I even will but I think it would be cool to bring some of the past back.I drive my dad's car now so maybe Ill just build it to be taken around and put on display.

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Originally Posted by mortboyz:
I believe the 2 orange and white Terre Haute FNB cars that Chuck has posted are Grant King Champ Cars, owned by Tim Delrose and Dale Holt. Thus the rose on the hood and the D in the bumper. They campaigned the popular #12 for Gary B. for several years, and a few shows they also ran a twin #14. Delrose and Holt cars were wrenched by Robert Galas from O'Fallon, IL. Robert now owns/runs the #12 Champ Car that everyone thinks is so old.

So I am correct to say that the rose on the front is for Tim Delrose?Just trying to get everything straight.Because if Im going to do my micro in this scheme Im going to do it like it was and I want to be able to explain everything.